2024 NRL General Discussion Thread

[Santa]

Is the 4-player interchange bench is a historical rule? I'm not familiar, I know it's been a change from unlimited interchanges to various other numbers and they've settled on the current format for a while, so it's not as if interchange hasn't been tinkered with previously to make the game better.

I've not been a fan of most of the V'landy's rule changes, but this is one I definitely support the way the game is in its current form. Too many game-defining injuries happening this year in particular.

I think since the interchange was introduced, it's always be 4 on the bench (with the number of times you can use an interchange obviously changing over time).

Laws of rugby league - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No idea about the numbers before the whole interchange system was introduced.

 

[1910]

I think since the interchange was introduced, it's always be 4 on the bench (with the number of times you can use an interchange obviously changing over time).

Laws of rugby league - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

No idea about the numbers before the whole interchange system was introduced.

Bench went from two fresh reserves to four in 1989.

 

[Foordy]

The NSW coroner has ruled that inappropriate training lead to Keith Titmuss death.

He died from heat related exhaustion

 

[Foordy]

In other news Lloyd Perrett has also launched legal action against Manly.

He suffered a life-threatening seizure at training in 2017.

Perrett was rushed to hospital in an unconscious state and his football career was effectively over after he collapsed during a water-deprived training run in the heat of summer.

 

[mitch222]

Wouldn't surprise but if it was ever proven, Bennett would potentially be in a lot of trouble.

Why would Bennett be in trouble?

 

[Tim K]

In other news Lloyd Perrett has also launched legal action against Manly.

He suffered a life-threatening seizure at training in 2017.

Perrett was rushed to hospital in an unconscious state and his football career was effectively over after he collapsed during a water-deprived training run in the heat of summer.

If this was an intentional water restricted training session then that is ridiculous. I wonder how specific the wording is.

 

[Foordy]

If this was an intentional water restricted training session then that is ridiculous. I wonder how specific the wording is.

This is what Perrett Said:

"I didn't want to do this but I felt like everything in my life got taken from me," Perrett, now aged 29, told Wide World of Sports.

"It was gone in an instant and I am still feeling the effects - mentally and physically.

"Taking legal action has been dangled in front of me since it all happened but my manager at the time said 'you'll win but never play footy again'… so I held off.

"I think the result of the Keith Titmuss inquiry (the Manly player who died after a training session) was the final straw.

"That's when I decided to take action. When I heard Keith died from heatstroke, I cried like a baby.

"My psychologist told me it was a condition called 'survivor's guilt' - because I knew that could have been me.

"We went on a run, weren't allowed any water and told 'if you don't like it, you can take your car keys to the field and go home'.

"Coaches and trainers do this regularly - try to see how tough you are.

"We had a run, then a short break, then got sent on another run… again without water, then a third run.

"I guess my mind was stronger than my body. I don't remember what happened - I collapsed and woke up in hospital with around seven doctors and nurses around me… I thought I was going to die.

"I couldn't move my arms or legs … I've never been more scared.

"I was literally on my death bed … and it was 100 per cent avoidable.

"A nurse later told me that 60 per cent of people who get heat stroke die … I was one of the lucky ones."

"I stayed at Manly but was never the same," he said.

"That year I was in the emerging Queensland Origin team but Manly made me pull out - they said it would be an embarrassment to the club because I wasn't up to it.

"At one stage the following year Manly sent me a breach notice - said I wasn't up to standard physically - they met with me, I told them what happened under the previous training staff and they tried to help me with the club doctor.

"I was getting blood tests, they showed I had poor liver, kidney and thyroid markers.

"All they could do was give me drugs that would be performance enhancing. That was the end.

"At one stage I went to see Phil Gould - he wanted me at Penrith - I told him what happened to me at Manly and he shook his head in disgust.

"I am doing this (taking legal action) to set a standard for the players - to let trainers and coaches know that some things are unacceptable.

"I'm sure plenty of blokes have been put through 'torture training' and don't come out the other side … it breaks them.

"I still get angry about it today.

"It's hard for me to watch footy - I knew I had the talent to be there.

"A lot of my teammates are having great careers now - that could have been me.

"I'm embarrassed about how my career ended."



Perrett is being represented by a Brisbane law firm, Carter Capner.

"We believe we have discovered a connection between the training routines through which he was being put at the time and his subsequent physical condition and evidence those routines were unsafe," Peter Carter, the firm's Legal Practice Director, claimed.

"We are still in the investigation phase and expect to be in a position to file proceedings in the NSW Supreme Court in the coming months."

 

[Sproj]

This is what Perrett Said:

"I didn't want to do this but I felt like everything in my life got taken from me," Perrett, now aged 29, told Wide World of Sports.

"It was gone in an instant and I am still feeling the effects - mentally and physically.

"Taking legal action has been dangled in front of me since it all happened but my manager at the time said 'you'll win but never play footy again'… so I held off.

"I think the result of the Keith Titmuss inquiry (the Manly player who died after a training session) was the final straw.

"That's when I decided to take action. When I heard Keith died from heatstroke, I cried like a baby.

"My psychologist told me it was a condition called 'survivor's guilt' - because I knew that could have been me.

"We went on a run, weren't allowed any water and told 'if you don't like it, you can take your car keys to the field and go home'.

"Coaches and trainers do this regularly - try to see how tough you are.

"We had a run, then a short break, then got sent on another run… again without water, then a third run.

"I guess my mind was stronger than my body. I don't remember what happened - I collapsed and woke up in hospital with around seven doctors and nurses around me… I thought I was going to die.

"I couldn't move my arms or legs … I've never been more scared.

"I was literally on my death bed … and it was 100 per cent avoidable.

"A nurse later told me that 60 per cent of people who get heat stroke die … I was one of the lucky ones."

"I stayed at Manly but was never the same," he said.

"That year I was in the emerging Queensland Origin team but Manly made me pull out - they said it would be an embarrassment to the club because I wasn't up to it.

"At one stage the following year Manly sent me a breach notice - said I wasn't up to standard physically - they met with me, I told them what happened under the previous training staff and they tried to help me with the club doctor.

"I was getting blood tests, they showed I had poor liver, kidney and thyroid markers.

"All they could do was give me drugs that would be performance enhancing. That was the end.

"At one stage I went to see Phil Gould - he wanted me at Penrith - I told him what happened to me at Manly and he shook his head in disgust.

"I am doing this (taking legal action) to set a standard for the players - to let trainers and coaches know that some things are unacceptable.

"I'm sure plenty of blokes have been put through 'torture training' and don't come out the other side … it breaks them.

"I still get angry about it today.

"It's hard for me to watch footy - I knew I had the talent to be there.

"A lot of my teammates are having great careers now - that could have been me.

"I'm embarrassed about how my career ended."



Perrett is being represented by a Brisbane law firm, Carter Capner.

"We believe we have discovered a connection between the training routines through which he was being put at the time and his subsequent physical condition and evidence those routines were unsafe," Peter Carter, the firm's Legal Practice Director, claimed.

"We are still in the investigation phase and expect to be in a position to file proceedings in the NSW Supreme Court in the coming months."

Who was the coach at the time? Des?

 

[Morkel]

Bench went from two fresh reserves to four in 1989.

And wasn't it a matter of, if a player went off, they were off for the game, the replacement would play it out?

 

[Big Pete]

Who was the coach at the time? Des?

2017.

Barrett

 

[Foordy]

Who was the coach at the time? Des?

That would be Trent Barrett

 

[broncos4life]

What possible reason could there be for training without water? There would never be a scenario in game where you wouldn’t have water. Barrett is a complete fuckwit and hope him and anyone else involved in this is held responsible.

Barrett had to setup his own chairs guys, so he can relate to this kind of hardship.

 

[Bull Shark]

Why would Bennett be in trouble?

I think the Dolphins would have some pretty major grievances if a coach contracted to them was taking actions to directly influence the roster of another club.. he’d effectively be working for two clubs while only contracted to one

 

[mitch222]

I think the Dolphins would have some pretty major grievances if a coach contracted to them was taking actions to directly influence the roster of another club.. he’d effectively be working for two clubs while only contracted to one

Plenty of coaches do it
Remember Bennett doesn’t have a job next year so is well within his rights to start lining up a job and talking about potential recruits

 

[1910]

And wasn't it a matter of, if a player went off, they were off for the game, the replacement would play it out?

Yep that was it, couldn't go back.

You could have as many non-fresh reserves as you like, that's why benches have 12 reserves graders on that had already played. Coaches just used to cover themselves and then pick their four changes from the two/four fresh guys and the reserves.

 

[Wolfie]

Can somebody explain how Sezer gets a 4 game ban for a hip drop, but Tago gets a 1 game ban.

 

[Fernando]

Egan knocked out cold, no HIA?

 

[Brett Da Man LeMan]

Can somebody explain how Sezer gets a 4 game ban for a hip drop, but Tago gets a 1 game ban.

I came here to say the same thing. It's like the panthers get let off or get off light, everyone complains that the punishment is too light, so subsequent punishments are 4x harsher.
Just another example of the panthers getting the rub of the green by the nrl