2024 NRL General Discussion Thread

Sproj said:
Wide World of Sports' The Mole is reporting that the rule change will see any team who has a kick-off that goes beyond the opposition's 20-metre line on the full concede a seven-tackle set.

Currently, any kick-off that goes over the dead ball line on the full concedes a penalty in the middle of halfway, but that requires a 60-metre kick.

A 30-metre kick is a far shorter proposition, and the NRL is understood to be hopeful that it will reduce the speed of collision in the first tackle after a kick-off.

The NRL had already made changes to rules policing short kick-offs and dropouts last year in an attempt to encourage teams to use the tactic more often, removing penalties for failed attempts and instead only allowing the non-offending team to receive a standard restart.

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NRL to make drastic kick-off rule change

Kick-offs as we know them may be dead.
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**** YOU VLANDYS ... LEAVE OUR FUCKING GAME ALONE
 
Financeguy said:
Jesus...if every kick off now becomes a contest for the ball like drop outs we will struggle for possession.unless Madge works overtime in this area.

I don't know stats but felt like we had about a 20% success rate on short dropouts.
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I firmly believe that we just weren't training for it tbh. Which was insanely stupid. Thankfully, I don't think Madge is that dumb and has the ability to adapt.
 
Asked this question previously .
Will lifting like Union be allowed ? If not could players assist team mates by allowing them to launch off their backs/ shoulders to jump higher ?
Will this lead to specialist jumpers / assisters ?
 
Financeguy said:
Jesus...if every kick off now becomes a contest for the ball like drop outs we will struggle for possession.unless Madge works overtime in this area.

I don't know stats but felt like we had about a 20% success rate on short dropouts.
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I'm pretty we were at 0% for most of the season. It just never worked and we kept trying and failing. I don't understand why we don't kick it ten metres straight and have one of our backs standing in the middle of the field trying to jump over a hooker or half.
 
Sproj said:
Wide World of Sports' The Mole is reporting that the rule change will see any team who has a kick-off that goes beyond the opposition's 20-metre line on the full concede a seven-tackle set.

Currently, any kick-off that goes over the dead ball line on the full concedes a penalty in the middle of halfway, but that requires a 60-metre kick.

A 30-metre kick is a far shorter proposition, and the NRL is understood to be hopeful that it will reduce the speed of collision in the first tackle after a kick-off.

The NRL had already made changes to rules policing short kick-offs and dropouts last year in an attempt to encourage teams to use the tactic more often, removing penalties for failed attempts and instead only allowing the non-offending team to receive a standard restart.

www.zerotackle.com

NRL to make drastic kick-off rule change

Kick-offs as we know them may be dead.
www.zerotackle.com www.zerotackle.com
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So a massive rule change like that just comes in straight away... no looking to test it in qcup or NSW cup... nah **** that she be right.

Teams could end up being happy to just give up the extra tackle and kick it long.

You're giving up a lot of yardage by giving the ball to the team at the 20m + the hit up.

Off a normal kick off it is not unusual for them to get tackled 10-12m out. Now they're catching it on the 20m (at best) and have a hit up on top of it.

For teams to get the most benefit out of it they will need to sky it to get good hang time and also land it around the 20m line... that creates a difficult kick with high risk for not much reward.

Instead keep kicking it like normal and keep the player within the 20m, which most teams do anyway, and that is tackle zero... their first tackle of the actual set is then unlikely to get to the 30m, so you're probably ahead compared to a kick inside the 20m.

It will probably entice more shorter kicks and actual competing for the ball ie hang time landing it around the 30m and compete on it, but also hoping to get a knock on... that minimises the amount of meters on tackle 1, so you're not losing as much yardage. It's going to create an ugly fucking spectacle though... just like it is for every drop out now.

The other thing with these shorter kick offs is you're giving the team that just scored the ball back basically at the 30m when they've normally been getting it around the 10-12m.... the field posotion and possession battle is already completely fucked without giving up a free 30m.

Imagine having to give Cleary and the Penrith machine the ball at the 30m straight after they've scored. A 40-50m set off a kick off would see them kicking from the opposition's 30m instead of the 45-50m that most teams are doing now.

Pretty much guaranteeing the receiving team an attacking kick straight after scoring and destroying the opposition's chance of getting into an arm wrestle.
 
BroncsFan said:
So a massive rule change like that just comes in straight away... no looking to test it in qcup or NSW cup... nah **** that she be right.

Teams could end up being happy to just give up the extra tackle and kick it long.

You're giving up a lot of yardage by giving the ball to the team at the 20m + the hit up.

Off a normal kick off it is not unusual for them to get tackled 10-12m out. Now they're catching it on the 20m (at best) and have a hit up on top of it.

For teams to get the most benefit out of it they will need to sky it to get good hang time and also land it around the 20m line... that creates a difficult kick with high risk for not much reward.

Instead keep kicking it like normal and keep the player within the 20m, which most teams do anyway, and that is tackle zero... their first tackle of the actual set is then unlikely to get to the 30m, so you're probably ahead compared to a kick inside the 20m.

It will probably entice more shorter kicks and actual competing for the ball ie hang time landing it around the 30m and compete on it, but also hoping to get a knock on... that minimises the amount of meters on tackle 1, so you're not losing as much yardage. It's going to create an ugly fucking spectacle though... just like it is for every drop out now.

The other thing with these shorter kick offs is you're giving the team that just scored the ball back basically at the 30m when they've normally been getting it around the 10-12m.... the field posotion and possession battle is already completely fucked without giving up a free 30m.

Imagine having to give Cleary and the Penrith machine the ball at the 30m straight after they've scored. A 40-50m set off a kick off would see them kicking from the opposition's 30m instead of the 45-50m that most teams are doing now.

Pretty much guaranteeing the receiving team an attacking kick straight after scoring and destroying the opposition's chance of getting into an arm wrestle.
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Harder to kick the ball high for hang time from a tee I reckon .
Union they use drop kicks to get the height .
 
Big Del said:
Harder to kick the ball high for hang time from a tee I reckon .
Union they use drop kicks to get the height .
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Yep... also factoring in the shorter / tighter distance of it... only have 30m to play with.

I know Pat Richards and Kyle Feldt used to have different kicks off the tee and some were big floating bombs, but they sent them all the way down to the ingoal... much hard to pull it up 20m shorter.
 
BroncsFan said:
Yep... also factoring in the shorter / tighter distance of it... only have 30m to play with.

I know Pat Richards and Kyle Feldt used to have different kicks off the tee and some were big floating bombs, but they sent them all the way down to the ingoal... much hard to pull it up 20m shorter.
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Pretty sure those two used different kicking tees as well .
Taller to get under the belly of the ball ? Basically a torpedo off the tee .
 
BroncsFan said:
So a massive rule change like that just comes in straight away... no looking to test it in qcup or NSW cup... nah **** that she be right.

Teams could end up being happy to just give up the extra tackle and kick it long.

You're giving up a lot of yardage by giving the ball to the team at the 20m + the hit up.

Off a normal kick off it is not unusual for them to get tackled 10-12m out. Now they're catching it on the 20m (at best) and have a hit up on top of it.

For teams to get the most benefit out of it they will need to sky it to get good hang time and also land it around the 20m line... that creates a difficult kick with high risk for not much reward.

Instead keep kicking it like normal and keep the player within the 20m, which most teams do anyway, and that is tackle zero... their first tackle of the actual set is then unlikely to get to the 30m, so you're probably ahead compared to a kick inside the 20m.

It will probably entice more shorter kicks and actual competing for the ball ie hang time landing it around the 30m and compete on it, but also hoping to get a knock on... that minimises the amount of meters on tackle 1, so you're not losing as much yardage. It's going to create an ugly fucking spectacle though... just like it is for every drop out now.

The other thing with these shorter kick offs is you're giving the team that just scored the ball back basically at the 30m when they've normally been getting it around the 10-12m.... the field posotion and possession battle is already completely fucked without giving up a free 30m.

Imagine having to give Cleary and the Penrith machine the ball at the 30m straight after they've scored. A 40-50m set off a kick off would see them kicking from the opposition's 30m instead of the 45-50m that most teams are doing now.

Pretty much guaranteeing the receiving team an attacking kick straight after scoring and destroying the opposition's chance of getting into an arm wrestle.
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All of the above.

They think the score lines were back last season….this going to get ugly.

Ridiculous.
 
Yeah this is stupid. Why not trial it.

Lunatics. TBH I almost hope this kills the game
 
Big Del said:
Pretty sure those two used different kicking tees as well .
Taller to get under the belly of the ball ? Basically a torpedo off the tee .
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I think Pat Richards was using one which ended up getting banned didn't it?

Remember someone saying it was basically the top of a traffic cone lol
 
So what about in game kicking? Sometimes the fullback is bringing it back 30-50m if a team is pinned down one end of the field and long kicking out of trouble. Is this also a no go?
 
Sproj said:
So what about in game kicking? Sometimes the fullback is bringing it back 30-50m if a team is pinned down one end of the field and long kicking out of trouble. Is this also a no go?
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They already have penalties for "tackling too hard"... surprised Kobe wasnt sent for his rib check on Chevy this year
 
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