Q-CUP 2025 Queensland Cup Discussion

[BroncsFan]

I just flicked it on and it’s my first look at Verhoeven my goodness he is a big boy. Is he grade 12 now? Someone like a Phillip Coates is gonna have to look elsewhere soon with Innes, Verhoeven, Trew, Tupuse and even someone like a Tomu Cook in Cyril. Few of them will be on the move you’d have to think. Karapani and Leota in NRL too

Is a component of it being the biggest and fastest athletes compared to their peers?

 

[Fitzy]

Is a component of it being the biggest and fastest athletes compared to their peers?

of course they are but imo there is only one good kind of outside back. Very few slower lesser athletic outside backs are worth taking a punt on, especially if they aren't standing out in juniors. Pick those blokes up out of senior mens systems when you want to pick and choose. If you don't have pace, size or very good defensive ability you aren't worth shit in the NRL as an outside back. Or at least not enough to be broncos academy player. I 100% believe that there needs to be more strategy with spine players and forwards. Can't all be thick as shit. But if you invest in as many athletically gifted outside backs as we do enough of them won't be complete deadshits and liabilities to competently play wing and centre and to eventually excel.

 

[BroncsFan]

of course they are but imo there is only one good kind of outside back. Very few slower lesser athletic outside backs are worth taking a punt on, especially if they aren't standing out in juniors. Pick those blokes up out of senior mens systems when you want to pick and choose. If you don't have pace, size or very good defensive ability you aren't worth shit in the NRL as an outside back. Or at least not enough to be broncos academy player. I 100% believe that there needs to be more strategy with spine players and forwards. Can't all be thick as shit. But if you invest in as many athletically gifted outside backs as we do enough of them won't be complete deadshits and liabilities to competently play wing and centre and to eventually excel.

I thought Verhoeven was a second rower / lock... is he more likely to be an outside back coming through... like Howarth?

Yeah fair that outside backs have to be the biggest and the fastest... more wondering if they're doing the other aspects of football well as well... taking their hitups, defusing kicks, smart reads in defence (even though U20's attack probably isn't elite anyway), etc.

 

[Fitzy]

Maroons u19 back line?
1. Raymond Puru
2. Saxon Innnes
3. Brian Pouniu
4. Sam Stephenson
5. Sunny Kama
6. Zac Herdegen
7. Coby Black

 

[Fitzy]

I thought Verhoeven was a second rower / lock... is he more likely to be an outside back coming through... like Howarth?

Yeah fair that outside backs have to be the biggest and the fastest... more wondering if they're doing the other aspects of football well as well... taking their hitups, defusing kicks, smart reads in defence (even though U20's attack probably isn't elite anyway), etc.

Defence doesn't ever translate as well. Mariner was a gun defender, more so one on one in fairness but nonetheless.

Verhoeven is a Second Rower/Centre. At his size though if he is only in year 12 still which I'm pretty sure he is then there is no chance he becomes a centre. Big boy already.

 

[1910]

Is a component of it being the biggest and fastest athletes compared to their peers?

Coates is probably the biggest and he hasn't fired at all so far three games in.

Innes is all speed and touch and Tonihi is all speed and finishing. Innes is playing both sides of the field and has five legitimate try assists in two games.

Verhoeven is strong but again he was at the standing start today and against Ipswich same but just exploded.

 

[Fitzy]

You have to say the Broncos are in an excellent position with regards to negotiating with Selwyn. The question might not be Phillip Coates looking elsewhere its looking like it might have to be Selwyn. Innes, Verhoeven (most likely a second rower), Grant Anderson, Tupuse, Tonihi, Cook, Leota, Karapani, Coates all coming along in the system or signed up for next year. Staggs is reportedly done deal, Mariner is locked up, Jesse is currently sitting more comfortably than Selwyn especially when you take into account how cheap he is. If he is wanting a monster deal I hope the club can just identify this talent and say bye bye Selly.

Innes, Verhoeven and Anderson are the 3 I really like. Verhoeven will be a second rower you'd have to think so not overly relevant to the Selwyn discussion. Innes is really starting to BANG the door down and Anderson has a lot to like especially at what would be a reasonable price point for him. The rest still have plenty to prove and you wouldn't be picking any of the others over Selwyn unless his asking price is outrageous but the sheer amount of talented players can definetely give the club added confidence and bargaining power in the move away from Selwyn. You lose Selwyn theres plenty of quality for only one of them needing to stand up.