Fitzy
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Yeah beyond that article I have seen a photo of CHT and Billo Wotton. Seen that Maihi Pene was the 6 as well. Presumably Taukolo was in the side likely at FB.
Q-CUP 2026 Queensland Cup Discussion
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Swordfish
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What position he plays at?
Understand both are very young but if you were to rate them, who’s your pick?
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That seems crazy
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He’s 15 probably a bit early
LittleDavey
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Perhaps more importantly, will Burt be there? Seems he is absolutely key to some of these young guys' trajectories.
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He's signed until the end of this year at Bears.
Fitzy
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Well he has achieved a lot for a relatively young coach.
Clearly your implication has been he will likely be wanting to progress to an assistant role in the NRL at the end of the year. But further to that it seems you expect he will want to do this in Sydney? Obviously Sydney is home but do you think that a Broncos assistant role is a possibility or if there is any notion within the club walls that Burt has been a valuable part of a lot of players development since we have been involved with Burleigh and losing that would come at a cost in some form.
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The Cowboys have submitted a proposal for the Cowboys, Broncos and Titans to field teams in the Host Plus comp. they're pushing for this change to be operational in 2027.
The Broncos and Titans, who already have feeder-club arrangements, are said to be ambivalent about the proposal, while Redcliffe have had a Brisbane State League heartbeat since 1947.
The proposal has been put together by Cowboys football boss Micheal Luck, who has presented the plan to Queensland Rugby League chairman Brian Canavan
In the proposal obtained by the Courier Mail and sent to Canavan:
* Luck proposes a 22-round format, starting next season;
* The travel and accommodation bill is budgeted to cost $2.1 million; and
* The competition will feature big-game blockbusters with NRL-style derbies involving the Cowboys, Broncos, Dolphins and Titans.
A taskforce has been established to discuss the concept.
Michael Luck said:
“We’re of the opinion that having the NRL brands in the Q Cup comp strengthens the competition and gives it more national relevance, both from a fan perspective and commercial partnership perspective,” Luck said.
“The one step in Queensland that we believe is still out of touch is that second-tier of football.
“Our club-contracted players can’t all be together under the same banner.
“We want this operational for 2027.
“The modelling that we have done suggests there is very little negative impact on our affiliate teams, so it’s a win-win in our view.”
“It wouldn’t take too much to organise,” Luck said.
“Under the wider proposal, it would create another eight to 10 big rivalry games a year.
“You could have Broncos versus Cowboys or Broncos versus Dolphins in the Q Cup, but we also could have derbies within our own footprint.
“For example, the Cowboys versus Northern Pride would be a big drawcard for Barlow Park (in Cairns).
“That’s not only a benefit for us, but for the Hostplus Cup from a revenue and commercial partnership perspective.
“At a time when the NRL are crying out for more content and going into a broadcast negotiation, I would think that the QRL would like to have something that they value to be able to add to the offering.”
“The disconnection is a massive thing we have to work on,” Luck said.
“We have major logistical disadvantages.”
QRL boss Ben Ikin said an expanded league is unlikely for 2027, but sees merit in the Cowboys, Broncos and Titans eventually joining the Hostplus Cup.
“It’s certainly one of the considerations for how the Hostplus Cup looks in 2028 and beyond,” Ikin said.
“I’m not part of the working group, but one of the things you have to consider and write policy for would be competition competitive balance.
“Clearly an NRL club and their second-tier team operate in a different set of conditions than a stand-alone Queensland Cup side.
“Last year’s NRL premiers, the Broncos, ran three affiliates (Souths Logan, Burleigh and Wynnum Manly).”
“There’s a few gates to get through but the most pleasing thing for me is there’s a collegiate approach to looking at this.”
Luck dismissed concerns there would be a spate of thrashings if the Broncos and Cowboys joined the Queensland Cup.
“No, I don’t believe there would be blowouts,” he said.
“NRL teams always have to call up fringe guys due to injuries and rep duties, so it would be more rare than people think.”
The Broncos and Titans, who already have feeder-club arrangements, are said to be ambivalent about the proposal, while Redcliffe have had a Brisbane State League heartbeat since 1947.
The proposal has been put together by Cowboys football boss Micheal Luck, who has presented the plan to Queensland Rugby League chairman Brian Canavan
In the proposal obtained by the Courier Mail and sent to Canavan:
* Luck proposes a 22-round format, starting next season;
* The travel and accommodation bill is budgeted to cost $2.1 million; and
* The competition will feature big-game blockbusters with NRL-style derbies involving the Cowboys, Broncos, Dolphins and Titans.
A taskforce has been established to discuss the concept.
Michael Luck said:
“We’re of the opinion that having the NRL brands in the Q Cup comp strengthens the competition and gives it more national relevance, both from a fan perspective and commercial partnership perspective,” Luck said.
“The one step in Queensland that we believe is still out of touch is that second-tier of football.
“Our club-contracted players can’t all be together under the same banner.
“We want this operational for 2027.
“The modelling that we have done suggests there is very little negative impact on our affiliate teams, so it’s a win-win in our view.”
“It wouldn’t take too much to organise,” Luck said.
“Under the wider proposal, it would create another eight to 10 big rivalry games a year.
“You could have Broncos versus Cowboys or Broncos versus Dolphins in the Q Cup, but we also could have derbies within our own footprint.
“For example, the Cowboys versus Northern Pride would be a big drawcard for Barlow Park (in Cairns).
“That’s not only a benefit for us, but for the Hostplus Cup from a revenue and commercial partnership perspective.
“At a time when the NRL are crying out for more content and going into a broadcast negotiation, I would think that the QRL would like to have something that they value to be able to add to the offering.”
“The disconnection is a massive thing we have to work on,” Luck said.
“We have major logistical disadvantages.”
QRL boss Ben Ikin said an expanded league is unlikely for 2027, but sees merit in the Cowboys, Broncos and Titans eventually joining the Hostplus Cup.
“It’s certainly one of the considerations for how the Hostplus Cup looks in 2028 and beyond,” Ikin said.
“I’m not part of the working group, but one of the things you have to consider and write policy for would be competition competitive balance.
“Clearly an NRL club and their second-tier team operate in a different set of conditions than a stand-alone Queensland Cup side.
“Last year’s NRL premiers, the Broncos, ran three affiliates (Souths Logan, Burleigh and Wynnum Manly).”
“There’s a few gates to get through but the most pleasing thing for me is there’s a collegiate approach to looking at this.”
Luck dismissed concerns there would be a spate of thrashings if the Broncos and Cowboys joined the Queensland Cup.
“No, I don’t believe there would be blowouts,” he said.
“NRL teams always have to call up fringe guys due to injuries and rep duties, so it would be more rare than people think.”
I don't like it. Have NRL brands in the QCup reduces the heritage and appeal of the QCup team brands in my view. I like cheering on the local teams as they are.
LittleDavey
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You could still do that though.
The older QLD NRL teams IMO are at a disadvantage with players spread across affiliate clubs who may or may not do things in the same way as the NRL teams and may or may not do what's best for the NRL teams or contracted players.
A kid can sign for Penrith - or Redcliffe I might add - in like U8's and play for that club through to NRL level. The club's standards, the way they want to play the game, the calls used - ca be utilised throughout all ages and grades. I feel this is part of the reason the likes of Penrith are doing so well at plugging new players into the NRL when someone goes down. They know the way the NRL club plays, they know the calls, they know the routines, the structures. They play together coming through the grades, learning each other's games, strengths, weaknesses, etc.
I have nothing to do with rugby league at any level except watching NRL and occasionally QCup so I could be way off the mark and totally wrong. But I would think that bringing the NRL teams into Cup would only be beneficial for them moving forward. I imagine this could be to the detriment of the other clubs to some extent in the short term though.
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The only problem is the potential two-tier competition it could create, and how the QRL clubs respond
In theory, you pull the remaining 50+ players from the top 30/36 from the feeders, and those teams will get worse, and the 4 NRL club teams will be stronger.
Now it won’t turn out like that, not all the time at least, but it will undoubtedly have an effect on the competition.
I’ve long been in support of this, for all the points people have raised from a team and player perspective, but I can understand why both QRL and NRL clubs aren’t completely onboard
(If it gets up, can we have Burt coach us please)
In theory, you pull the remaining 50+ players from the top 30/36 from the feeders, and those teams will get worse, and the 4 NRL club teams will be stronger.
Now it won’t turn out like that, not all the time at least, but it will undoubtedly have an effect on the competition.
I’ve long been in support of this, for all the points people have raised from a team and player perspective, but I can understand why both QRL and NRL clubs aren’t completely onboard
(If it gets up, can we have Burt coach us please)
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It would also require broncos, cows, etc. to flesh out the rest of a Qcup squad, so they'd be coming in and taking players from the existing Qld cup teams.
It'd be like adding 4 expansion teams to NRL overnight.
NRL squads are Top 30 + 6 Dev players... and 20 of them are in the gameday, but at minimum 17 play each week.. so they've only got 19 players left to fill out a Qld cup team (excluding injuries)... and it's not like the rest of the Top 30 is setup to fill an actual footy team... they're picked to be depth for the main roster.
That's a really good argument. It makes a lot of sense both financially and to teams with no affiliates. It's better than mine.... Selfishly, I like cheering for old QRL teams I remember growing up and if Broncos came in I would cheer for them instead.
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I don't disagree that alignment is important and I am not against it at all but I want to know why if it works Redcliffe can't make finals? Why the Young Guns win one comp? How did the Storm make 11 Grand FInals in 20 years using affiliate clubs if it doesn't work?
The Storm have switched this year to a Cup reserve grade and they are coming near last in both.
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I agree no one wins if Cowboys beat the Pride by 66. That is what they have to be careful of doing.
