Alternative Idea to the Cap

[Dexter]

Does anyone have any ideas or alternatives to the salary cap as it is used now to equalise the comp. I was in favour of the cap at first but in recent times have grown to dislike it because it is too harsh on clubs that develop its own players or turn players into rep stars or who have players improve heaps and increase their value.

Maybe a points system would be better where each club has to keep its squad under a given amount of points then each player is given a points grading. If a player is developed or bought and during his time at the club he increases his points grading then the club can resign him at the same grading he is currently on regardless if his grading has increased.

This way clubs like ours could pay more for the likes of Ennis or Wallace or Hannant etc and it would also make it slightly harder for other clubs to poach stars as when they leave the new grading would come into effect.

Discuss

 

[Bucking Beads]

The NRL needs to develop a system where long serving players become cheaper to clubs due to long service for instance Petro could have stayed with the Broncos if only half his salary went to the cap and the other half was not included due to his long service to the Broncos.

 

[Coxy]

Does anyone have any ideas or alternatives to the salary cap as it is used now to equalise the comp. I was in favour of the cap at first but in recent times have grown to dislike it because it is too harsh on clubs that develop its own players or turn players into rep stars or who have players improve heaps and increase their value.

Maybe a points system would be better where each club has to keep its squad under a given amount of points then each player is given a points grading. If a player is developed or bought and during his time at the club he increases his points grading then the club can resign him at the same grading he is currently on regardless if his grading has increased.

This way clubs like ours could pay more for the likes of Ennis or Wallace or Hannant etc and it would also make it slightly harder for other clubs to poach stars as when they leave the new grading would come into effect.

Discuss

Problem with the points system is that you can still pay players whatever you want. So the rich clubs can attract more "top points" players, than clubs like Penrith that are starting to struggle financially.

It'll also penalise clubs that produce a lot of Australian internationals. Melbourne would be forced to offload a bunch of players next year.

Nice idea though.

I prefer the notion of the longer a player plays for you, the less counts on the cap. Even if it's like 5% for players who stay for a second contract. It'll make it more enticing for players to stay with the club they're at.

 

[Scorchie]

I've thought the best method to gain "equality' in a competition is to try and keep the playing group together. Discounts for long serving players and/or exemptions for the top player in a club is perhaps the way to start down this path.

 

[Huge]

dead right beads !! the longer they stay the cheaper they get.

 

[Huge]

gee...was'nt that part of the SuperLeague concept ??

 

[Charmamba]

maybe Any Player Who is brought through your teams system from start to finish gets a 50% discount on the cap. however if they leave the club they cannot come back and be in the "50% Group" and the club will be forced to sign the player on a 100% deal.

IE.

Boyd comes through the broncos system and is paid $150,000.. however on the cap he is a $75,000 player
Folau comes through the Storm System and moves to brisbane for $150,000.. because he was brought through another club he is $150,000 on the cap

So both Players earn the same amount however the cap says Boyds Cheaper.

Further on Boyd Leaves brisbane to go England comes back to brisbane and is on $250,000 that is then 100% of the cap
if he had of stayed at brisbane and showed loyalty to the club brisbane could pay him $300,000 and only lose $150,00 on the cap. meaning brisbane would have an extra $150,000 on the cap to spare and By being Loyal to one club Boyd Will be earning $50,000 a season more then if he wasnt.

did i explain it right? :P

 

[Jargernaut]

added to that if a player reaches 8 years for one club, their wage is exempt from the cap!

 

[Fozz]

added to that if a player reaches 8 years for one club, their wage is exempt from the cap!

What is stop a club from saying "Okay, son stay with us for 8 years on 50k and we'll give you a million a year after that!"?

Other than sanity possibly.

 

[Nashy]

It would come out of the 9th (Payment year) year cap.

 

[Huge]

Or maybe give them a lump sum at the end of 8 years... a retirement package.....whatever evers agreed on

 

[Dexter]

Does anyone have any ideas or alternatives to the salary cap as it is used now to equalise the comp. I was in favour of the cap at first but in recent times have grown to dislike it because it is too harsh on clubs that develop its own players or turn players into rep stars or who have players improve heaps and increase their value.

Maybe a points system would be better where each club has to keep its squad under a given amount of points then each player is given a points grading. If a player is developed or bought and during his time at the club he increases his points grading then the club can resign him at the same grading he is currently on regardless if his grading has increased.

This way clubs like ours could pay more for the likes of Ennis or Wallace or Hannant etc and it would also make it slightly harder for other clubs to poach stars as when they leave the new grading would come into effect.

Discuss

Problem with the points system is that you can still pay players whatever you want. So the rich clubs can attract more "top points" players, than clubs like Penrith that are starting to struggle financially.

It'll also penalise clubs that produce a lot of Australian internationals. Melbourne would be forced to offload a bunch of players next year.
Nice idea though.

I think a points system would stop this. eg We bought Hannant from the roosters as a reserve grade player say graded at 3.5 out of 10. We turn him into a state of origin player and he now is graded at say 6.5 .

The Broncos can still have him as a 3.5 in our points cap as long as he stays but if he leaves then his new grading of 6.5 kicks in.

It means we could compete to keep our players because situations like this would not affect our points cap.

Flow on effect long term would be clubs greatly benefit by developing there own players.

The amount a club can spend would have to come into it at some point though.

 

[The Brizz]

Change the current ruck laws and tackling laws to reduce the wrestle and then cut the comp to 12 teams through mergers/bootings then the game will have more talent per club leading to bigger crowds (particularly in NSW with a less saturated Sydney market) and more tv viewers leading to better tv deals leading to more money for the cap leading to less great players going overseas.

 

[Roger Explosion]

In a points system, Jacob Lillyman is a better player than Scott Prince.

The best, and only reliable measure of the value of a player is the amount another club will pay to steal him.

 

[Kimlo]

In a points system, Jacob Lillyman is a better player than Scott Prince.

The best, and only reliable measure of the value of a player is the amount another club will pay to steal him.

Why is that, and the point is to keep players loyal.

 

[Dexter]

In a points system, Jacob Lillyman is a better player than Scott Prince.

The best, and only reliable measure of the value of a player is the amount another club will pay to steal him.

Why? I would have thought a points system would rate players on ability.

 

[Coxy]

Ability is subjective. Representative honours, games played etc, are the only things measurable. You can't have a points based system based on qualitative assessment. Who makes the assessment that Scott Prince is better than Brett Finch for example? Both halfbacks, both on the fringe of rep selection, both about as experienced as eachother. Form wise, yeah you'd pick Prince, but who's to say Prince has more ability?

I think a points system can work, but the formula for working out a player's points value has to be carefully considered for situations as Roger Explosion has mentioned - Test quality players who are kept out of rep sides because of other players of similar quality.

 

[Dexter]

Agree with all of that, just didn't agree with Roger that on a points system Liilyman is better than Prince