VOTE Anthony Seibold Discussion

[The Strapper]

None of those other coaches said they didn't have a clue what to do from here in a press conference though. Even Arthur who looked pissed and forlorn at times didn't shrug his shoulders and say "yeah I dunno hey"

Not that Arthur has won anything yet.

He has won a lot more than siebold.

 

[rnabokov]

I get your point but it’s just in our case siebold is going to cost the club a lot more by hanging around than if he was paid out even though it would be a big amount.
The board can’t or won’t face up to this so they should be punted too.

punt punt punt ... sounds like a ferry on the River Styx, on the way to hell without a map. We need planning and action to address the shit accumulated over years of neglect not a quick fix without looking at solutions to long term issues.
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He has won a lot more than siebold.

He's had a lot more fucking time than Seibold, like 5 years more

 

[The Strapper]

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Seibold, for all his flaws, and in the context of all the shit that has happened at our club, needs a bit more than 18 months before final judgement is passed.[/QUOTE]

Just out of curiosity how long do you think he should get before a judgement is made?

 

[rnabokov]

[QUOTE="rnabokov, post: 3149501, member:

Seibold, for all his flaws, and in the context of all the shit that has happened at our club, needs a bit more than 18 months before final judgement is passed.

Just out of curiosity how long do you think he should get before a judgement is made?
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For mine, if the team hasn't shown any significant improvements by the end of this season, then that is when his future here should be decided.

That decision ought to be based on what are for me, 2 major issues : 1) Can he get the team to lift, can he get the best out of his players, and 2) how quickly he acts, from now on, to drop players who aren't performing, depending on who is available, which is one of our major problems this year with injuries, and of course, our less than stellar recruitment policies.

The other thing here is that Seibold, again imo, most likely can't do this on his own. If you look at the Rorters, they have a clinical psych on hand to deal with players' mental health and other psychological issues that might impact their performances. We don't. They have, as I understand it, at least 2 specialist defence coaches. We have a 2-day a week part timer.

This is, as has been flagged in these threads, a much broader coaching problem than just Seibold, and nothing will change for mine until it is addressed. If Seibold has an ego which stands in the way of this, then he is a fool and definitely needs to go - at the end of this season, along with club management for failing the team to have on board the proper resources required for effective coaching.

 

[The Strapper]

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He's had a lot more fucking time than Seibold, like 5 years more

I meant since 2018 when Seibold started coaching which is a fair comparison.

 

[rnabokov]

I meant since 2018 when Seibold started coaching which is a fair comparison.

He started here last year. This year was his 1st proper pre-season.

He did well at Souths as we know, with a roster of more men than boys, and a roster who could obviously understand more than it seems monosyllables.

Giving him just 2 years to prove his worth in the context of a club in neglect, is still a bit rich when compared to the time those other coaches referred to, had. Still, this is the Broncos. We are in a way, the victims of our own exalted mythology

 

[The Strapper]

He started here last year. This year was his 1st proper pre-season.

He did well at Souths as we know, with a roster of more men than boys, and a roster who could obviously understand more than it seems monosyllables.

Giving him just 2 years to prove his worth in the context of a club in neglect, is still a bit rich when compared to the time those other coaches referred to, had. Still, this is the Broncos. We are in a way, the victims of our own exalted mythology

Very well then how long should he get to prove his worth?

 

[rnabokov]

Very well then how long should he get to prove his worth?

For me, end of the season, which is what will happen anyway, according to Morris.

As I have been saying pretty much all along, unless Seibold gets his players to give their all, he's history, either on the facts of our performances, or as a fall guy for the club's inadequacies in giving him, and our players, the best opportunities to be at their best.

The problem is that both are interconnected. Either way, if things don't start getting better fast, he will be gone irrespective. I do not envy his position.

 

[The Strapper]

Just out of curiosity how long do you think he should get before a judgement is made?

For mine, if the team hasn't shown any significant improvements by the end of this season, then that is when his future here should be decided.

That decision ought to be based on what are for me, 2 major issues : 1) Can he get the team to lift, can he get the best out of his players, and 2) how quickly he acts, from now on, to drop players who aren't performing, depending on who is available, which is one of our major problems this year with injuries, and of course, our less than stellar recruitment policies.

The other thing here is that Seibold, again imo, most likely can't do this on his own. If you look at the Rorters, they have a clinical psych on hand to deal with players' mental health and other psychological issues that might impact their performances. We don't. They have, as I understand it, at least 2 specialist defence coaches. We have a 2-day a week part timer.

This is, as has been flagged in these threads, a much broader coaching problem than just Seibold, and nothing will change for mine until it is addressed. If Seibold has an ego which stands in the way of this, then he is a fool and definitely needs to go - at the end of this season, along with club management for failing the team to have on board the proper resources required for effective coaching.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that comprehensive answer.
I actually think we are on a similar wavelength it’s just I have reached my conclusion earlier.
Based on the criteria you have outlined I do not think he will achieve that and you will also come to the same conclusion I have.
The board however are another matter entirely.

 

[Huge]

He started here last year. This year was his 1st proper pre-season.

He did well at Souths as we know, with a roster of more men than boys, and a roster who could obviously understand more than it seems monosyllables.

Giving him just 2 years to prove his worth in the context of a club in neglect, is still a bit rich when compared to the time those other coaches referred to, had. Still, this is the Broncos. We are in a way, the victims of our own exalted mythology

In neglect? Yeah, I can go along with that partially. The team he inherited was receiving lavish praise and glowing endorsement from fans and media alike. The backroom has evidently been mismanaged.

 

[rnabokov]

In neglect? Yeah, I can go along with that partially. The team he inherited was receiving lavish praise and glowing endorsement from fans and media alike. The backroom has evidently been mismanaged.

Recruitment? Retention?

 

[Huge]

Recruitment? Retention?

Yes, as I wrote, the backroom.

 

[rnabokov]

Yes, as I wrote, the backroom.

Cool. Glad we agree

 

[Mightybroncs2k17]

What's everyone's thoughts? Qny chance of a sacking this week or is it still "full support" from the board. Or are we now in resignation territory?

 

[winslow_wong]

What's everyone's thoughts? Qny chance of a sacking this week or is it still "full support" from the board. Or are we now in resignation territory?

They’d only be looking at the first half of the game

 

[rnabokov]

They’d only be looking at the first half of the game

... and if they looked at the second half, the very first thing to note would be just how much we lack true leadership on the park.

Milford and Boyd are not delivering. They are crippled mentally and it seems, emotionally. We have nothing out there, nobody to lead, to inspire, to pull it together when the going gets tough. Smith dragged the Storm back into the match at half time. We then fell apart.

Patty tries his hardest but he is not there yet. We are lost without a leader. Getting one should be our first priority. Who though? Milford and Boyd offer nothing. What a mess.

 

[abashii]

A coach who demonstrates leadership might be a good starting point.

 

[Allo]

Honestly I’d prefer a board clean out first, give Seibold the first half of next year without Boyd and Milford hopefully banished to QCup. if we’re in a hole like a 1-5/2-7/3-8 etc and/or there are no noticeable fundamental improvements and/or he refuses to drop underperforming players, boot him.