Ben Ikin talks salary cap

Caniffe said:
It's interesting McBadel only ever posts articles from Badel. The gig is up, Pete
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Actually, I never post any words from any journalist. I only post quotes or tweets, and I don't think I've ever posted a Badel tweet, but lots of Garry and others. The opposite of what you're saying.
 
McHunt said:
I don't watch 360. It's too exclusive for me. And that's only one usage of "exclusive." You are talking about "exclusive information," and you are talking about via one channel. Information isn't exclusive. It wants to be free.

Seems a petty argument.

Here's some Garry from the last month or so:

Immediately - by the end of the month




Milford to Eels




Rhys out




Oates and Isaako to be released early




Lodge and Pangai going nowhere

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Yeah he makes notes on legit info. Even the Broncos said things changed very quickly with Lodge. He gives his opinion but it isn’t definitive.

Compare that to Broncos are $1 million dollars over the cap or Jack Bird is on a different amount every article. If you can’t see the difference, I don’t know how to help you.

And you keep shifting the goal posts on most of what you have been saying or contradicting yourself.

You only use quotes and discard the context - the context is everything Badel says or writes, therefore you are effectively agreeing you also think he is not a reliable source.

As for exclusive, think of the target audience, which is who reporters need to be thinking about and a reason why newspapers, etc are struggling in this current world. People want facts, or opinions clearly labeled opinions.

Do you think any reader / listener when they hear or see the word ‘exclusive’ are thinking whatever rubbish definition you’ve / Badel has made up? If so, no wonder people are abandoning the media in droves.
 
Sproj said:
Yeah he makes notes on legit info. Even the Broncos said things changed very quickly with Lodge. He gives his opinion but it isn’t definitive.

Compare that to Broncos are $1 million dollars over the cap or Jack Bird is on a different amount every article. If you can’t see the difference, I don’t know how to help you.

And you keep shifting the goal posts on most of what you have been saying or contradicting yourself.

You only use quotes and discard the context - the context is everything Badel says or writes, therefore you are effectively agreeing you also think he is not a reliable source.

As for exclusive, thing of the target audience, which is who reporters need to be thinking about and a reason why newspapers, etc are struggling in this current world. People want facts, or opinions clearly labeled opinions.

Do you think any reader / listener when they hear or see the word ‘exclusive’ are thinking whatever rubbish definition you’ve / Badel has made up? If so, no wonder people are abandoning the media in droves.
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That's where you're wrong. People don't want facts. They haven't for quite some time now.

They mostly want two things: 1. To be told that what they believe is right. 2. To be entertained.

Murdoch understands this perfectly and has literally built an empire out of catering to these wants.
 
Kooly87 said:
That's where you're wrong. People don't want facts. They haven't for quite some time now.

They mostly want two things: 1. To be told that what they believe is right. 2. To be entertained.

Murdoch understands this perfectly and has literally built an empire out of catering to these wants.
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An empire that is crumbling. Maybe you are right, maybe this is what most people want these days but it isn't what I want (and I suspect I am certainly not alone), not by the news at least. I don't want my news articles to be entertaining and fairy tales, I want them to be factual or labelled as what they are - make believe or opinion pieces.
 
Sproj said:
Yeah he makes notes on legit info. Even the Broncos said things changed very quickly with Lodge. He gives his opinion but it isn’t definitive.

Compare that to Broncos are $1 million dollars over the cap or Jack Bird is on a different amount every article. If you can’t see the difference, I don’t know how to help you.

And you keep shifting the goal posts on most of what you have been saying or contradicting yourself.

You only use quotes and discard the context - the context is everything Badel says or writes, therefore you are effectively agreeing you also think he is not a reliable source.

As for exclusive, thing of the target audience, which is who reporters need to be thinking about and a reason why newspapers, etc are struggling in this current world. People want facts, or opinions clearly labeled opinions.

Do you think any reader / listener when they hear or see the word ‘exclusive’ are thinking whatever rubbish definition you’ve / Badel has made up? If so, no wonder people are abandoning the media in droves.
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Okay, I think I know why we are disagreeing.

If you're saying Badel announces he has an "exclusive" on NRL 360, and it's something he (or Travis) has already pushed to press at the Mail, on Twitter, or to another outlet, then yes, he's being dishonest. If it's the link introducing him as having an "exclusive" under those circumstances, they might be overegging it to big themselves up. I can't say without having seen it. Broadcast does that sort of shit all the time. If you're the guest, you kind of cringe and go with it.

But if he's coming with an "exclusive" that he hasn't printed elsewhere, but he's been scooped on it by another title earlier, like say Read at the Australian, then it's still an "exclusive" but it's of low value.

My point being "exclusive" means "I'm only telling you" or "I'm telling you first" not "this is the first time it's been told by anyone," though this is obviously the holy grail of an "exclusive."

As for why I mostly only read the quotes - because that's how I read the media in general. It's a muscle memory thing. Despite what you might think, I don't put much stock in journalists, but not for the reasons being put forward here. They generally don't understand what they're writing. Badel appears to play the quote farming role at the Mail. Meyn seems to write most of the padding. But I don't know who does what there. Not a lot of style makes it through.
 
Sproj said:
An empire that is crumbling. Maybe you are right, maybe this is what most people want these days but it isn't what I want (and I suspect I am certainly not alone), not by the news at least. I don't want my news articles to be entertaining and fairy tales, I want them to be factual or labelled as what they are - make believe or opinion pieces.
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It's not that simple, and like I keep saying, newspaper journalists rarely understand what they are writing, and the worst - and I keep pointing at the Guardian here - are essentially working for a political party. The very lowest standard of reporting falls under the Environment banner. Oh, and Travel, but that's advertorial.
 
McHunt said:
It's not that simple, and like I keep saying, newspaper journalists rarely understand what they are writing, and the worst - and I keep pointing at the Guardian here - are essentially working for a political party. The very lowest standard of reporting falls under the Environment banner. Oh, and Travel, but that's advertorial.
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Don't you have journalists who specialise in certain areas? For example, NRL reporter, travel reporter, political reporter, etc. One would assume they should know about the topic they are supposed to specialise in? One would also think a university graduate would also be able to read and comprehend their own writing.
 
Shane Tronc said:
Be nice to actually chat about our salary cap management rather than this stupid circular argument. Is there a journalism wanker thread in the general discussion where this discussion can be had?
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Yes you are right, I have very much been involved here and have taken it off topic, I will refrain from further comment.
 
Ok then, back on the topic of our salary cap.

no doubt our management has been poor, we've allocated resources to heavily in the one area, while neglecting a more important area.

this was probably done due to the wealth talent coming through at the same time and trying to retain them all of them (something most fans wanted) rather than being smart on trying to retain the best few and allowed the others to walk.

our spine neglect was due to us putting all our eggs into the Dearden basket, which hasn't proven to be a good decision.

Corey Paix looks to have potential as a hooker, but the lack of ISC for 12 months hasn't help our development (probably hurt Dearden's as well).

It might take a a couple of years to get the balance fully back in the right places, as we not only wait for talent to come onto the market in the positions we lack and pay off our mistakes. DD, Ikin and Kevvie appear to have us moving in the right direction cap wise
 
Foordy said:
Ok then, back on the topic of our salary cap.

no doubt our management has been poor, we've allocated resources to heavily in the one area, while neglecting a more important area.

this was probably done due to the wealth talent coming through at the same time and trying to retain them all of them (something most fans wanted) rather than being smart on trying to retain the best few and allowed the others to walk.

our spine neglect was due to us putting all our eggs into the Dearden basket, which hasn't proven to be a good decision.

Corey Paix looks to have potential as a hooker, but the lack of ISC for 12 months hasn't help our development (probably hurt Dearden's as well).

It might take a a couple of years to get the balance fully back in the right places, as we not only wait for talent to come onto the market in the positions we lack and pay off our mistakes. DD, Ikin and Kevvie appear to have us moving in the right direction cap wise
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Is this an admission Paul White (and other key decision makers) did a truly terrible job?
 
im surprised this rubbish talk of media white knighting and bashing has been allowed to go on for this long.

Don't know about any one else it was fun to read the banter at first but i would much rather be reading peoples thoughts on the actual thread title.

Surely this Ego stroking can be done in dm's between you guys now
 
jd87 said:
im surprised this rubbish talk of media white knighting and bashing has been allowed to go on for this long.

Don't know about any one else it was fun to read the banter at first but i would much rather be reading peoples thoughts on the actual thread title.

Surely this Ego stroking can be done in dm's between you guys now
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You go first.
 
McHunt said:
You go first.
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Do you have to be childish?

that response is like dealing with my 2 kids.

not looking to attack any one but Im pretty sure you guys must know your back and fourth is starting to go to far and your not even discussing the thread title any more.

and yes I get the irony of me replying to this childish post is adding to it so i wont say any more i just hope it makes you guys pull it back a bit .

But to stay on topic i personally would not be surprised if after these reports the nrl will do a salary cap audit on us and it will be laughable and depressing at same time if we were actually over the cap for this year at some point.

surely Karl Morris will have to take some blame for letting one of the biggest clubs with the most funds to actually monumentally **** up that bad.

It really is baffling that the people running this club before could be so incompetent and get away with it
 
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