NEWS Bennett turns up heat on Broncos

[Reyter]

The coaching director role for Wayne is one I like a lot

We don't know what's happening behind the scenes though

But if they have decided on a rookie and that rookie is available next year, I'm not against that transition for 2019

If they haven't though, and they use 2019 to identify and recruit the right person, then I equally have no problem with that

I knew you would eventually come around to my way of thinking. Failure to do so would have been punishable by sitting in a small room with Tom, Rover and lockeysillegitimatechild for not less than 1 hour, listening to them extol all the virtues and blessings of Bennettism and the Wayne Bennett system. Some would say a fate worse than death. I would just say lucky you came around to my way of thinking.

Seriously though, I never thought of it until Phil Gould mentioned it. But I'm still trying to guess what his game is. Trying to pressure the club into re-signing Bennett, trying to pressure the club into sacking him (and thus, having the usual suspects on this forum throw fits) or just being honest. I doubt he is just being honest. To have him in some kind of coaching director role would be covering all the bases.

No coach will sign on with WB as “coaching director”.

Why would they?

How do they run the team; without WB putting his oar in? For example if the new coach wants to get rid of Boyd, how does he do that with WB hanging around?

Talks about awkward.

Once WB goes as head coach; he needs to go away and let the new coach do his job; without WB looking over his shoulder.

Yeah, I'm not sure what exactly "a coaching director" does but I presume it's hands off enough to allow a rookie coach to drop Boyd even if it does piss off Bennett.

 

[Harry Sack]

No coach will sign on with WB as “coaching director”.

Why would they?

How do they run the team; without WB putting his oar in? For example if the new coach wants to get rid of Boyd, how does he do that with WB hanging around?

Talks about awkward.

Once WB goes as head coach; he needs to go away and let the new coach do his job; without WB looking over his shoulder.

You don't think a rookie coach would sign up with WB still attached to the club? I could see an issue with a seasoned, experienced coach but not a rookie.

 

[Porthoz]

You don't think a rookie coach would sign up with WB still attached to the club? I could see an issue with a seasoned, experienced coach but not a rookie.

Agreed, and I'd be all for it.

It's been my preference for ages, although a mechanism would need to be put in place to assure the coach's independence in terms of selection, tactics and game plan.

 

[Brent81]

You don't think a rookie coach would sign up with WB still attached to the club? I could see an issue with a seasoned, experienced coach but not a rookie.

No I don't.

Most coaches want to be in charge. They don't want other people coming over the top of them (whether that's officially or unofficially).

Most coaches are paranoid too, they don't want an option for head coach sitting in the "coaching director's" office.

Let's look at this way, as the coach, if you fail you get the chop, the coaching director doesn't. If you succeed you don't want the glory given to someone else. No rookie coach wants their success attributed to the "coaching director"; eg when people think of the Roosters 2002 win; the same story comes up; that Gus was the real coach that year, even though Ricky had the title.

The idea of Bennett as coaching director is a good theory; it just won't work in practice.

 

[Brent81]

Agreed, and I'd be all for it.

It's been my preference for ages, although a mechanism would need to be put in place to assure the coach's independence in terms of selection, tactics and game plan.

I can't see how you do that in practice.

The best mechanism that you can put in place is that Bennett isn't at the club when the new coach takes over.

If you think otherwise, maybe you could outline the mechanism which you think will work (I am genuinely interested in that regard).

 

[Reyter]

I can't see how you do that in practice.

The best mechanism that you can put in place is that Bennett isn't at the club when the new coach takes over.

If you think otherwise, maybe you could outline the mechanism which you think will work (I am genuinely interested in that regard).

How about supervising the appointment of support staff for a start. Then maybe a little help, if required, in scheduling the right amount of skills, fitness and strength training. Maybe a little help in dealing with the governing body and maybe a little help in recruitment and retention. Though given Bennetts recent record with this, maybe best to not leave it to him. Or prepare for Boyd to be signed for another 4 years on top of the 3.5 he has left:angry:

 

[Porthoz]

I can't see how you do that in practice.

The best mechanism that you can put in place is that Bennett isn't at the club when the new coach takes over.

If you think otherwise, maybe you could outline the mechanism which you think will work (I am genuinely interested in that regard).

It needs cooperation from both sides, and probably a horizontal hierarchy, where each person has defined areas of responsibility, for which the other has a strictly advisory role.

This works well in other codes, but requires assertiveness from the head coach, and the ability from the football manager to keep his distance.
I'd like to believe Wayne can do that, and the Broncos would get someone who wouldn't fall to pieces at the first stern look from Bennett.

 

[CaptainHook]

Hehehe wow...

All I can say is wow...

Edit: inappropriate

 

[Mr Fourex]

I can't see how you do that in practice.

The best mechanism that you can put in place is that Bennett isn't at the club when the new coach takes over.

If you think otherwise, maybe you could outline the mechanism which you think will work (I am genuinely interested in that regard).

Can't say I'm for it one way or another, but Bennett's role, as I imagine it to be, wouldn't be just to sit on the shoulder of the first grade coach, in fact far from it. He would be responsible for all grades U/20's ...etc etc. He should be over seeing recruitment and retention. He should be lobbying for a true "reserve grade"......he should be focused on all the building blocks that result in the best first grade team we can field, for the current season and the next 5 to come.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

I can't see how you do that in practice.

The best mechanism that you can put in place is that Bennett isn't at the club when the new coach takes over.

If you think otherwise, maybe you could outline the mechanism which you think will work (I am genuinely interested in that regard).

Penrith...

 

[Brent81]

Penrith...

Take your point. But I think that example falls my way.

Perfect illustration of the issue; by all accounts Gus got the old CEO sacked.

Who has more clout if there is a disagreement between Gus and Hook?

It’s factually different too; because Gus didn’t coach the Riff immediately before becoming GM.

That leaves aside the ongoing (reported) tension in the club.

I don’t see it working at Brisbane. Especially if an assistant steps up. Wayne will always be looked at as the de facto head coach.

 

[winslow_wong]

Walters was and JD on defence. Bennet supposedly took over attack though.

Our defence hasn't been great either.

 

[Mitchell_Broncos]

What are we going to do if the Broncos make the gf and win it ? It may yet happen. It's nothing being in form mid or early season, it's everything late in the season though. I expect by the end of the regular season we'll be flying.

Oh I like how you talk :emoji_fingers_crossed:

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Anti bennett fans wonder why the bloke gets such a strong following. Its not just the fact that he has won more premierships then every other current nrl coach combined, he has won multiple origin series and internationals he had no right too win, he was the last coach to win back to back (twice), is renowned for changing the lives of players who have hit rock bottom, and he has among the best winning percentages of any coach STILL after 30+ years of coaching at the top level

He loves the game, and he will and has done more for the code then any other person i can think of... doubt me? Watch the denver press conference. If you love the game and want it to survive, and even thrive, I want him in a position of power... then theres bellamy and what he has done for the game....

 

[holdzy]

Anti bennett fans wonder why the bloke gets such a strong following. Its not just the fact that he has won more premierships then every other current nrl coach combined, he has won multiple origin series and internationals he had no right too win, he was the last coach to win back to back (twice), is renowned for changing the lives of players who have hit rock bottom, and he has among the best winning percentages of any coach STILL after 30+ years of coaching at the top level

He loves the game, and he will and has done more for the code then any other person i can think of... doubt me? Watch the denver press conference. If you love the game and want it to survive, and even thrive, I want him in a position of power... then theres bellamy and what he has done for the game....

Yes all good points...but wtf is going on with the Broncos the last two years? I'm not "Anti-Bennett" but the guy is in charge and things haven't been ideal for quite a while.

I'm happy for Bennett to stay as long as he wants, but he needs to sort out whatever is going on here and get the team playing to their best ability.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Yes all good points...but wtf is going on with the Broncos the last two years? I'm not "Anti-Bennett" but the guy is in charge and things haven't been ideal for quite a while.

I'm happy for Bennett to stay as long as he wants, but he needs to sort out whatever is going on here and get the team playing to their best ability.

Fair play, I’ll agree to disagree on that point. Whilst we havent won a premiership and it feels far away, we have the 2nd best win percentage over the last 3 years. I really dont think we are anywhere near as far away as what it feels like

 

[Jason Simmons]

Yes all good points...but wtf is going on with the Broncos the last two years? I'm not "Anti-Bennett" but the guy is in charge and things haven't been ideal for quite a while.

I'm happy for Bennett to stay as long as he wants, but he needs to sort out whatever is going on here and get the team playing to their best ability.

Last year we finished 3rd and made the Prelim final. Year before we finished 6th and made the semi-final.

This year we are in the top 8 despite a horrendous injury toll and despite having already played many of our ‘hard’ games with a relatively good run home including many home games.

The sky isn’t exactly falling. Things may not be perfect but our recent record is still better than just about any other club...

 

[holdzy]

Last year we finished 3rd and made the Prelim final. Year before we finished 6th and made the semi-final.

This year we are in the top 8 despite a horrendous injury toll and despite having already played many of our ‘hard’ games with a relatively good run home including many home games.

The sky isn’t exactly falling. Things may not be perfect but our recent record is still better than just about any other club...

We still play like hot garbage most of the time, and scrape by on individual brilliance. I agree we've done well, but not as well as we should. That's the crux of my point- it's up to Bennett to fix, I'm happy to give him the chance.