Dearden

[vertigo]

People are forgetting there is a difference to halves. Its not just 'one plays one side of the field, the other plays the other side'.

For me the role of halfback is organising the attack, doing the majority of the long kicking and getting repeat sets, reading the game situation. Basically all of the things Milford isn't suited to.

We desperately need a foil for a dominant 5/8 - someone to take the pressure off his halves partner so they (the 5/8) can attack the line.

Look at what Fogarty has done for Taylor, completely given him a new lease on life. If Milford got his fat ass off the couch and decides be gives a shit in 2021 then we might get something useful out of him if hes given an extended run with Dearden. I would be giving first crack to Staggs/Dearden though and see how they go together. A combination needs to be decided on early enough and persisted with.

When we're talking about Dearden, we're also talking about his combination with his 5/8. He's not Johns or JT who will dominate a game on his own, not at his age anyway.

 

[WASSHHH]

Not expecting him to thrive, would just like a bit more output.

Ease up, I feel it was pretty measured I didn’t say he was shit. This is a forum after all and this is the bloke anointed our future. I saw his stats tonight and was shocked at how poor they were. And it’s false to say I defend milf at every turn. I have said endlessly that he’s been poor since Bennett left (pots year obv).

By simply stating that you believe you’ve been measured in your assessment, after Dearden has had no more than 10 starting games in an absolute shit-show and with a revolving door of players around him, only supports my view that you haven’t given him anywhere near long enough to prove what he has got to offer.

You conveniently also ignore the fact his 2020 stats are pretty much on par with Milford’s, from less games. Sure, you might have said Milford has been poor, but show me the thread you’ve started / posts you’ve made that fundamentally question Milford’s abilities. I’d even settle for a post you’ve made that remotely tip-toes around the notion that Milford may not be the player he once was / incapable of delivering anything more than he has in 2020.

The fact is, Milford has been regressing since midway through 2016. Until you recognise that, and in turn afford other players the same rose coloured glasses view you do him (I mean, you’re still banging on about him being POTY in 2018 like it is somehow relevant to his 2020 form - remember, Tim Smith was ROTY and still holds the record for most TA in a season yet his drop in form is similar to post 2016 Milford), I will continue to consider your views around our halves unbalanced at best.

 

[broncos4life]

Dumpster fire. That pretty much sums up Victoria's and Brisbane Broncos 2020. You have to be trolling. Asking a greenhorn to thrive in a dumpster fire? The coach was the arsonist! It is like teaching your child to swim by rowing them out to middle of lake and saying dinner will be at 6. I think Jesus would struggle under your standards. You must think the water into wine thing is so yesterday.[/B]

Sums him up pretty well tbh.

 

[Finbar]

And it’s false to say I defend milf at every turn. I have said endlessly that he’s been poor since Bennett left (pots year obv).

It's interesting that you have endlessly used coaching as an excuse for Milford's poor form, but Dearden is not offered the same leniency despite having only played under Seibold (and now Gentle) at NRL level. Milford had the advantage of 5 years of decent coaching under Ricky and Wayne, Dearden has had to start his career under Seibold.

26 year old Milford turns to rubbish - has to be the coach. 19 year old Dearden not setting the world on fire - "I'm not sure about this bloke."

 

[Chewed]

Back Dearden, bring in Joshua James and throw Walsh in the back. After the shit show that was this year we have some time before people expect top 8 or 4 so it will give these young guys experience. James looks like a strong defensive half and Walsh has all the tools to play 1,6 or 7.

Lose the slugs like Milf, Oates and Joffa and play some blokes who have a crack and want to be there.

1. Walsh
2. Herbie
3. Staggs
4. Niu/Bird
5. Coates
6. James
7. Dearden
8. Lodge
9. Turps
10. Haas
11. Glenn
12. Riki
13. Carrigan
14. Paix
15. TPJ if he's still there
16. Flegler
17. Bullemore and give him more minutes

 

[broncsgoat]

It's interesting that you have endlessly used coaching as an excuse for Milford's poor form, but Dearden is not offered the same leniency despite having only played under Seibold (and now Gentle) at NRL level. Milford had the advantage of 5 years of decent coaching under Ricky and Wayne, Dearden has had to start his career under Seibold.

26 year old Milford turns to rubbish - has to be the coach. 19 year old Dearden not setting the world on fire - "I'm not sure about this bloke."

That’s far enough but the difference is everyone wants to shit can milf and put Dearden on a pedestal.
Anyway I wasn’t trying to start a fight just making an observation.

 

[Sproj]

Back Dearden, bring in Joshua James and throw Walsh in the back. After the shit show that was this year we have some time before people expect top 8 or 4 so it will give these young guys experience. James looks like a strong defensive half and Walsh has all the tools to play 1,6 or 7.

Lose the slugs like Milf, Oates and Joffa and play some blokes who have a crack and want to be there.

1. Walsh
2. Herbie
3. Staggs
4. Niu/Bird
5. Coates
6. James
7. Dearden
8. Lodge
9. Turps
10. Haas
11. Glenn
12. Riki
13. Carrigan
14. Paix
15. TPJ if he's still there
16. Flegler
17. Bullemore and give him more minutes

You can’t because that is repeating the mistakes of this side this year. It is too young and too inexperienced and even with a better coach, it will turn to mud as the season draws on and any stand out player will be poached by the Titans.

 

[PNG Broncos fan88]

Observation warranted and I agree too.
We cannot wait 50 games and hope for any youngster in a spine position to just come good, esp if you are the biggest club in QLD.

He is not in the elite category as Lockyer or Langer were when they were tearing up the lower levels against men then hit the ground running at the top. He needs 1-2 years in Q cup to horn his craft, whilst attending kicking clinics on the regular as his long kicking game is no better than Croft, or SOS to warrant him starting before those two. Every loss is just damaging his confidence long term,

We need experience in our halves next year to get out of this rut, he is not that at the moment.

 

[johnyE]

I hope along with a decent coach and 5/8 he'll play a big role in the Kevolution

 

[1910]

This isn't new, he was the same in ISC, I always found him too timid and it was my big reservation about Dearden. He is a mystery because he's the opposite of what you would normally get from a young half. Most young halves pull the trigger four times a set but Dearden is the other way.

Dearden watch tonight v Pride from Cairns.

Again set up exclusively on the left. He shovelled it on too much. He threw a pass for Burns' first try on the short side. Scarlett is still the boss with kicking and play- Gibbie goes the right with Scarlett and he's their biggest weapon.

20 to go he steps through with a left foot step but got to the fullback, guys unmarked and went himself- came up with 0.

I'd like to see Dearden mix it up and get on the open with Gibbie and get a partnership going. Might come with confidence.

In defence he made a bad mistake just before half time, they came left and he came up timidly then planted his feet shuffled side ways and took no one really Murphy rolled it on and they scored in the corner.

Would have been good to see Clifford v Dearden- U18 half v U20 half but not to be tonight. Would have given a good reference point for Dearden.

In summary I'd like to see him own Wynnum- if he can't shark Scarlett and demand good ball then how is he going to do it in the NRL off Origin players?

Last night.

Scarlett 9 kicks- 274m
Dearden 2 kicks- 65m

Scarlett touched the ball 53 times
Dearden 24 times

Got to rotate the strike, no point watching from the other end.

Up side Dearden made 20 tackles and 0 misses- 15 of those would have been on Hola which is a good test- he broke five tackles and made 173m and isn't far off an NRL backrower.

He's being far from instinctive at the moment. He's been institutionalised.

When he does kick he kicks well, just put in a beautiful kick tonight for touch. Kicked a 50m penalty goal two weeks ago.

Doesn't kick enough.

Scarlett 74 kicks
Dearden 16

I am thinking it's a bit of Wynnum's set up and Scarlett being the dominate half and Dearden being 18 and timid.

Not including tonight Scarlett has touched the ball 318 times in six game- 53 a game.

Dearden 98 from 3. 32 game.

Watching him last week and this week, it's just a thought I had- he needs to own Wynnum and be demanding ball and actions. It's going to be harder to do it under the pressure of NRL and I just like to see him take more ownership at ISC level.

I know he's 18 and that's a massive step but it's pretty important for a half to do- if you want to play NRL right now.

 

[john1420]

I remember him starting fairly strongly tbh. Could definitely be wrong though.

I think you are wrong on this one.
I clearly remember me saying over and over again how overrated he was.
Sure, he has come good and is a great player now, but he was pretty average in the early years.

 

[Chewed]

You can’t because that is repeating the mistakes of this side this year. It is too young and too inexperienced and even with a better coach, it will turn to mud as the season draws on and any stand out player will be poached by the Titans.

Our stand out performers were the young crop. The ones who killed us for the most part we're our experienced players. This year will have done the forwards a world of good from the experience point of view and the backs got a good number of NRL games too.

Besides Tohu Harris there isn't really anyone of leadership quality hitting the market worth chasing hard that isn't going to make our situation the same or worse. Benji or Foran maybe, but then we have another half who can't tackle or a busted one.

 

[TimWhatley]

Might be a bit premature but im not sure about this bloke.

The kid has a crack but his stats aren’t much to get excited about. I know he’s young but young halves have come in and crushed it previously.

Tom has one try assist to his name this year, one try and one line break (likely the same movement) and two line break assists.

I know the game isnt SuperCoach and acknowdge he’s tried hard in a dumpster fire team but I would like to have seen more offensive output from the bloke everyone’s hanging our future on.

Wasn't the fifita try on Friday counted as a try assist? That means hes got at least two.

 

[Blindside Bronco]

I dont think he has done enough to warrant the hype about him, but he is very young for a half playing NRL. We wont see the best from him for a good 3 or 4 years.

Yes both him and Carrigan don't warrant the hype about them. They are both young guys that everyone raves but I suppose we need try and find some joy in this mess.

 

[broncsgoat]

Wasn't the fifita try on Friday counted as a try assist? That means hes got at least two.

I looked last night so there’s a chance the stats hadn’t been updated yet.

 

[PNG Broncos fan88]

Yes both him and Carrigan don't warrant the hype about them. They are both young guys that everyone raves but I suppose we need try and find some joy in this mess.

Same as Riki and Bullemor, just one good break in first grade and all of a sudden they have Fifita covered. We have to temper our expectations with this young lot, lets look for consistency first before the 'next big thing' hype.

 

[lynx000]

It's interesting that you have endlessly used coaching as an excuse for Milford's poor form, but Dearden is not offered the same leniency despite having only played under Seibold (and now Gentle) at NRL level. Milford had the advantage of 5 years of decent coaching under Ricky and Wayne, Dearden has had to start his career under Seibold.

26 year old Milford turns to rubbish - has to be the coach. 19 year old Dearden not setting the world on fire - "I'm not sure about this bloke."

You realise it is likely you are being trolled (yet again by this guy).

 

[Horseheadsup]

This isn't new, he was the same in ISC, I always found him too timid and it was my big reservation about Dearden. He is a mystery because he's the opposite of what you would normally get from a young half. Most young halves pull the trigger four times a set but Dearden is the other way.

@1910, why do you think Sam Scarlett never made it to first grade?