POST GAME Game I Discussion

[Battler]

If we are holding all our luck on a rookie forward with less than 20 games to his name in NRL Coen Hess then we are in massive trouble. The kid isn't anywhere near ready.

We lacked impact off the bench big time last night. We started getting severely rolled when Napa and Papa went off. Impact > toilers in the lillyman and Myles mould off the bench for game 2 would do us the world of good, and Hess has proven to be the best impact forward in the comp, although Sims would be right up there as well.

 

[Renegade]

Milford can kick and has shown in the past he can be a decent kicker. He should have taken a bit more responsibility last night. I didn't expect him to do the bulk of it but he could have helped out with some of it

Well they told him to play like he does for brisbane.

He did. He rarely kicks and mostly runs the ball. Got found out a little bit at this level.

 

[mitch222]

We lacked impact off the bench big time last night. We started getting severely rolled when Napa and Papa went off. Impact > toilers in the lillyman and Myles mould off the bench for game 2 would do us the world of good, and Hess has proven to be the best impact forward in the comp, although Sims would be right up there as well.

We would be throwing Hess to the wolves at this stage. He needs a full year in first grade first. Throw Wallace and Sims into the fray. They are experienced enough and battle hardened. They would be up for the job.

 

[johnny plath]

We would be throwing Hess to the wolves at this stage. He needs a full year in first grade first. Throw Wallace and Sims into the fray. They are experienced enough and battle hardened. They would be up for the job.

Need all three... Hess Sims and Wallace... we have three non negotiable forward duds to replace in myles lillycrap and guerra.... four if we count sammy, but I don't think Queensland has another forward to throw in the mix... maybe Ethan Lowe...we will lose this series for sure without these changes... might still lose with them, but its time, and Queensland will be better for it.

 

[badyon]

Forwards Out -> Myles, Guerra, Lillyman
Forwards In -> Wallace, Cooper, Hess

Instructions for forwards:
SmashthatFatfuckFafitatoFuckingnextFuaaaarkingCentury
McGuire needs to go to prop and be STRONGLY instructed to never touch the ball/continue to keep killing promising play and momentum -- on the second last tackle.

Backs Out -> Morgan, ONeill
Backs In -> Thurston, Slater

Boyd to centre. Can't be worse than ONeill. And Gagai would be a turnstyle in the centres.

 

[holdzy]

Well they told him to play like he does for brisbane.

He did. He rarely kicks and mostly runs the ball. Got found out a little bit at this level.

He didn't get 'found out' at all - he was solid. If the forwards had laid a decent platform, he could have capitalized a bit more.

 

[Renegade]

He didn't get 'found out' at all - he was solid. If the forwards had laid a decent platform, he could have capitalized a bit more.

He wasnt solid. Anyone saying that is kidding themselves.

He wasnt the reason we lost, but he added zero to our attack. We scored 4 points.

 

[winslow_wong]

Very off game from Smith. A lot of bad options.

Milf was excellent - such a shame he went off. It's depressing enough to lose after a good effort - really sucks after a stinker like that. QLD will be looking for revenge, hopefully Thurston is fit and I'd go with Milf on the bench.

Crucial moment in the first half for me was smiths missed conversion and letting in a try after that. Going into halftime 6-6 would have been a big difference

 

[Mortician]

Forwards Out -> Myles, Guerra, Lillyman
Forwards In -> Wallace, Cooper, Hess

Instructions for forwards:
SmashthatFatfuckFafitatoFuckingnextFuaaaarkingCentury
McGuire needs to go to prop and be STRONGLY instructed to never touch the ball/continue to keep killing promising play and momentum -- on the second last tackle.

Backs Out -> Morgan, ONeill
Backs In -> Thurston, Slater

Boyd to centre. Can't be worse than ONeill. And Gagai would be a turnstyle in the centres.

This is exactly what I thought should happen too.

Boyd to centre will give us better opportunities in attack and his defence is solid too.... and let Billy back into the team.

The two biggest let downs for me were Cronk's shitty kicking game and Gillette seemed to only muscle up in the last 10 minutes. I was pretty drunk but he looked like a passenger for most of the game with none of his known aggression.

 

[Battler]

Wallace should be allowed to play like he does for the tits: big minutes with a high work rate. Sammy can play in the middle for Napa, keep the aggression going, pull Wallace off at the 60 min mark if he needs it. If Wallace plays off the bench it'll be a mistake, and he'll have shit all impact.

 

[johnny plath]

Harping back, but heres what we did in 2001 after being humiliated in 2000
2001 Qld origin forward debutants
Game 1
Kevin Campion… nrl debut 1993
John Buttigieg .. nrl 1996
Petero… nrl debut 1998
John doyle … nrl debut 1997
Brad Meyers…. Nrl debut 2000 (23 NRL games (only 4 starting) prior to origin selection)
Chris beattie… nrl debut 2000 (20 nrl games prior to origin selection)
Carl webb… nrl debut 2000 (14 nrl games (all off bench) prior to origin selection)
Game 2
Dane carlaw… nrl debut 1999 (38 nrl games prior to origin selection)

Hess is good enough and should be there, along with Wallace and Sims.... Qld needs new energy that won't come from conservative old farts

 

[holdzy]

He wasnt solid. Anyone saying that is kidding themselves.

He wasnt the reason we lost, but he added zero to our attack. We scored 4 points.

Milf was one of the few QLD players that looked dangerous - you're kidding yourself. Handled the defence a lot better than most probably anticipated.

 

[Huge]

No, Hess is no savior. There's at least 10 props available for queensland aside from the ones we have....I'll bet I could find two who would give up everything to represent. I'd happily give Sims, Wallace,Brenton Lawrence, Lowe or even old Bakuya a spot on the bench to keep things rolling...you've got the Kafusi brothers, Bolton, Glasby and Cooper...blokes don't have to be great, they just might need a believer

 

[Renegade]

Milf was one of the few QLD players that looked dangerous - you're kidding yourself. Handled the defence a lot better than most probably anticipated.

There were two moments where he stepped a bunch of players and got tackled. Thats it.

If thats your basis of solid we are in for a beating.

 

[Battler]

No, Hess is no savior. There's at least 10 props available for queensland aside from the ones we have....I'll bet I could find two who would give up everything to represent. I'd happily give Sims, Wallace,Brenton Lawrence, Lowe or even old Bakuya a spot on the bench to keep things rolling...you've got the Kafusi brothers, Bolton, Glasby and Cooper...blokes don't have to be great, they just might need a believer

If you're a NSW forward struggling to get back ten after a fast start who do you fear more coming off the bench for Papa, Hess or Bolton?

 

[holdzy]

There were two moments where he stepped a bunch of players and got tackled. Thats it.

If thats your basis of solid we are in for a beating.

Milf might not play again this series, who knows?

You have been bagging him out without any justification. He did his job last night, the QLD forwards did not.

 

[Renegade]

Milf might not play again this series, who knows?

You have been bagging him out without any justification. He did his job last night, the QLD forwards did not.

You cant have it both ways.

Either he couldn't do his job because of the forwards, or he could.

If its the former, then he added nothing as i suggested but theres an asterisk. If its the latter, then he was woeful.

Either way, as a playmaker/half/dangerman, he did not bring much to the table. You can say thats because of the nsw forwards, but that would still render my comment valid - he didnt do much, and his lack of kicking game put a lot more pressure on cronk.

 

[OXY-351]

I thought that too but Mcguire got him pretty good with a late arm in the tackle. That's not to say he wasn't playing loose with the rules but he was hit in the head which gives an opportunity to do it.

I definitely think he copped one in the head, but questionable as to whether it warranted a HIA. If that was the first tackle of the match I doubt he comes off at all, and even more highly doubt he motions he should come off.

I have no idea how you police it though.