Interesting Stats

[The Brizz]

Slater vs Wallace

2007- 23 Games, 16 Line Break Assists, 15 Try Assists vs 19 Games, 9 Line Break Assists, 11 Try Assists
2008 - 24 Games, 14 Line Break Assists, 14 Try Assists vs 21 Games, 11 Line Break Assists, 17 Try Assists
2009 - 26 Games, 19 Line Break Assists, 19 Try Assists vs 23 Games, 9 Line Break Assists, 20 Try Assists
2010 - 14 Games, 12 Line Break Assists, 7 Try Assists vs 13 Games, 6 Line Break Assists, 7 Try Assists

Totals:

Slater in 87 Games, 61 Line Break Assists, 55 Try Assists
Wallace in 76 Games, 35 Line Break Assists, 55 Try Assists

In summation, fullback Slater has as much if not more impact as a creator for his club side than halfback Wallace does for his when looking comparatively at these important statistics. Interesting.....

 

[Kimlo]

Yes stats are the be all and end all.

 

[Anonymous person]

Yes stats are the be all and end all.

well line break assist and try assist are two stats that cant really be argued as 'irrelevant'. a line break is a line break, a try is a try. having someone with the ability to create line breaks and tries is essential to winning games.

against the tigers this the the area that the broncos were absolutely woeful in, so the point is made even more.

but Slater plays for Melbourne, has a golden boot, origin player of the series, 2 premiership rings and every other award under the sun.............so he sucks :roll:

 

[Kimlo]

Hey, don't take it the wrong way!
I've been saying for a while that Slater is an amazing player and one of the best in the game.

However comparing Wallace to Slater is ridiculous, stats or not.
Of course Slater is a better player they're not even in the same league but comparing a halfback to a fullback by stats is fairly lame, especially when it's obvious what this thread intends to achieve.

I'll throw some more stats in, in my next post, just collecting it atm :)

 

[Anonymous person]

look i agree that you cant really compare them because of the positions.......but come on, a fullback having more try assists and line break assists than a halfback? thats something that rings alarm bells.

 

[Donny]

look i agree that you cant really compare them because of the positions.......but come on, a fullback having more try assists and line break assists than a halfback? thats something that rings alarm bells.

Might have something to do with the Team Slater has been playing in aswell. TBH i would expect my fullback to make more linebreaks then my halfback!!

Comparing Slater to Wallace is like Comparing God to Lcokyer. Lockyer is always going to come out in front.....

 

[Anonymous person]

TBH i would expect my fullback to make more linebreaks then my halfback!!

this isnt line breaks though - this is line break ASSISTS. ie. putting someone ELSE into a hole. this is generally the job of the halves, not the fullback.

 

[Nashy]

I think I would want one of the players who are as close to the defensive line as you can get to make more breaks than a Fullback who plays more of a roaming roll in attack.

But yes, why are we comparing these two players?

 

[The Brizz]

And the difference is, Slater is the sort of player that has the luxury of:

A) Not making the amount of tackles in defence as Wallace does, thus being fresher in attack and able to produce more.
B) Not having the RESPONSIBILITY AND PRESSURE of being a halfback. Slater can just jump in whenever he wants.

Those 2 above factors are actually quite important.

A) Because Wallace tackles he can't set up tries and line breaks? If this is the case he isn't a very good halfback.
B) So Slater doesn't feel any pressure or responsibility within his role in the team ROFL!

 

[Kimlo]

Slater vs Wallace

2007- 23 Games, 16 Line Break Assists, 15 Try Assists vs 19 Games, 9 Line Break Assists, 11 Try Assists
2008 - 24 Games, 14 Line Break Assists, 14 Try Assists vs 21 Games, 11 Line Break Assists, 17 Try Assists
2009 - 26 Games, 19 Line Break Assists, 19 Try Assists vs 23 Games, 9 Line Break Assists, 20 Try Assists
2010 - 14 Games, 12 Line Break Assists, 7 Try Assists vs 13 Games, 6 Line Break Assists, 7 Try Assists

Totals:

Slater in 87 Games, 61 Line Break Assists, 55 Try Assists
Wallace in 76 Games, 35 Line Break Assists, 55 Try Assists

Ok time to have some funs here icon_smile

Lockyer

2007- 14 Games, 12 Line Break Assists, 10 Try Assists
2008 - 14 Games, 9 Line Break Assists, 11 Try Assists
2009 - 22 Games, 15 Line Break Assists, 13 Try Assists
2010 - 14 Games, 9 Line Break Assists, 11 Try Assists

Totals: Lockyer in 64 games, 45 Line Break Assists, 45 Try Assists.

Now for some more funs.

Avg and just for more fun I'll throw in Farah's averages.
Slater = .70 Line Break Assists and .63 try assists per game.
Wallace = .46 Line Break Assists and .72 try assists per game.
Lockyer = .7 Line Break Assists and .70 try assists per game.
Farah = .55 Line Break Assists and .76 try assists per game.
(Off 65 games, 36 LBA and 50 TA)

So Wallace is the better than Slater and Lockyer at creating tries and Slater is just as good as Lockyer at creating linebreaks And Farah is better than all of them at creating tries.

Ah stats to compare irrelevant positions icon_smile

 

[Nashy]

This really just seems like an agenda thread of sorts. Why are we comparing two completely different, and very much specialised positions? They are completely different players, with a different style of play to suit their team and of course the role they actually play.


Although, Slater seems like the type of player who could fit into a halves role and still play a pretty good game. He's just that fucking good.

 

[Coxy]

Yes stats are the be all and end all.

From the guy who regularly pulls stats to show how good/bad a player is! [icon_lol1.

I think the comparison is a bit unfair, but it is startling to say the least. It either shows how brilliant Slater is, or how bad Wallace is...probably somewhere in between (ie, Wallace an average first grade halfback, Slater a brilliant game breaking fullback).

I would be more interested to compare the performance of Wallace in 2008-10 vs Kimmorley and Cronk, who IMO are similar players to Wallace.

 

[The Brizz]

I was merely pointing out that a fullback that some on here think can't pass to save his life sets up play for a lot of other players and sets up more line breaks than our halfback and as many tries as him (close anyway) pretty sure that is a halfbacks job.

 

[Black Philip]

This thread is a bit silly. Whether you hate Wallace or not, comparing him (a slightly above average halfback) to Slater (the current best fullback in the world) doesn't make sense.

Might as well go ahead and compare Cooper Cronk to Steve Michaels, or Scott Prince to Shaun Kenny-Dowell, just to really emphasise how shit they are in comparison.

 

[dukey]

This really just seems like an agenda thread of sorts. Why are we comparing two completely different, and very much specialised positions? They are completely different players, with a different style of play to suit their team and of course the role they actually play.

There are some baffling threads being created for the sake of shit stirring.
If you want to bignote Slater, compare him to a fullback. Likewise, if you want to dump on Wallace, compare him to a halfback. All this thread proves is that you hate/love one of them a bit too much.

 

[Kimlo]

Yes stats are the be all and end all.

From the guy who regularly pulls stats to show how good/bad a player is! [icon_lol1.

[icon_lol1. That is true lol but I don't compare two completely different positions by stats and completely different circumstances.

Firstly in 07 and 08 Slater had guys like Folau and Inglis at either side to feed the ball to and getting quality ball from Smith and Cronk to assist him in setting up those linebreaks and what not. In 07 Wallace wasn't even with us and was getting dicked around by the Panthers playing hooker and what not because he signed with us and then in 08 Locky only played half seasons and it was Wallace's first season in a pressure role and he had to do everything cause Locky was out.

Then in 09 and 10 Melbourne have had squads more than a million over the cap which equals better overall quality which helps in creating trys and linebreaks.

This thread is useless beyond useless and its intentions are clear.

 

[Kimlo]

As above like Scotty has said, comparing easily the best fullback in the world and one of the top 5 players in the game playing for the best team in the past 3-4 years(albeit illegally) to an above average halfback playing for a team which has had massive slumps and just manage to win most games rather than doing it easy like Melbourne have managed is ludicrous to say the least.

 

[Kimlo]

I'm sorry, but this thread has to be the dumbest thread on BHQ. You're trying to justify your "Wallace is shit" argument by comparing his STATS to that of the world best FULLBACK? LOLZ. Oh. My. God.

[icon_lol1. [icon_lol1. [icon_lol1.
Agreed, I don't know what it was meant to prove.
Next we will compare runs taken by Hoffman compared to Tronc, I mean a prop is meant to run the ball so if Hoffman makes more metres and more runs he must be da best prop ever.