Is this a sin binnable offence?

[Midean]

Where we disagree is that you see it as this regular tackle that happens 100s of times each game. I see it as Su'A attempting a big shot which is far less common and it going awry. He didn't intend to take him high but because he committed to putting on a big hit it carried a far higher chance of going wrong which is what ended up happening.

If it was intentional, he'd be sitting out a lot longer than a week. It isn't his first charge and he's lucky his record isn't worse honestly.

I see your point. I just don't see a solution other than removing big hits.

 

[Battler]

No legitimate attempt to wrap his arms in the tackle. It was a shoulder charge by definition and if a Broncos player put the same shot on he'd be gone for two weeks minimum (4 weeks if it was TPJ who did it) and probably flat out sent off.

 

[Big Pete]

I see your point. I just don't see a solution other than removing big hits.

I don't have an issue with the way it is now, players just have to know the risk involved and pick their targets wisely.

 

[johnyE]

I'm still wondering why Su'a couldn't tackle like that when he played for us .

 

[Big Pete]

I'm still wondering why Su'a couldn't tackle like that when he played for us .

Probably because he got suspended everytime he did.

He still put a few shots on until he broke his foot. Last year he was rushed straight into the team and struggled.

 

[vertigo]

Su'A is one of the game's best tacklers.

It's unfortunate, and context is important - Lewis saw Su'A in his peripheral vision and tried to side-step him on the inside, it put him in a terrible position and Su'A was already fully committed to his tackle by then.

It wasn't intentional and wasn't a sin bin. You can even see Lewis' boot slip and dig up a bunch of dirt.

It's not like deadshit Napa who lead with a flying headbutt multiple times.

 

[Midean]

Su'A is one of the game's best tacklers.

It's unfortunate, and context is important - Lewis saw Su'A in his peripheral vision and tried to side-step him on the inside, it put him in a terrible position and Su'A was already fully committed to his tackle by then.

It wasn't intentional and wasn't a sin bin.

At what point is it even a penalty, when does the responsibility fall on the attacker? I remember a handful of seasons ago, Greg Inglis perfected the headfirst dive to the ground when he would get tackled around the mid-section, he got away with it for about 4 games before he was pulled up for it, and we never saw it again.
I know Lewis didn't intentionally slip over, but isn't it a bit harsh to penalize a tackler when he did literally nothing wrong?
The sin bin was overkill, but i don't think that sort of thing even warrants a penalty, as its 100% accidental, and if anything, is the fault of the guy with the ball.

The right call, imo, is to send him off for a HIA, and get someone else to play the ball and chalk it up to one of those unfortunate accidents.

 

[scobie]

It was a shoulder charge for me. His two arms are down as he makes contact, and his right arm only comes looking for something to grab after contact. And when you hit as hard as Su'A, there's a good chance the player will be on the way down before you can make a grab at them.

 

[Organix]

I think 2 things happened here. 1 Lewis stops and slips, 2 Su'A reacts late and doesn't wrap his arms because he knew he got him high. The sin-bin was a toss of the coin, but honestly, probably fair from how it looked on field. What is going to hurt worse is that he will be suspended for an accident in a contact sport, when the NRL basically just ran a promo-reel on SBW and his ridiculous hits.

I honestly am starting to hate the NRL. Doesn't help that Brisbane are playing poorly and the new rules are a shit show.

Edit: looking at the photo there you can see how low Lewis is, that Su'A's arms are separated from his body and that he would be aimed at the ribs of Lewis at fuller height.

 

[Nashy]

What was the charge? Took him high? Don't care, it was front on, it was powerful, and a smaller guy slightly slipped down and his head impacted. Unfortunate, but not a sin bin.

It's a contact sport. At some point, the sport needs to stand up to the Karens and Kevins of the world, and remind them it's a contact sport, and politely ask them to **** off and put their kids into tennis.

 

[ZTop]

What was the charge? Took him high? Don't care, it was front on, it was powerful, and a smaller guy slightly slipped down and his head impacted. Unfortunate, but not a sin bin.

It's a contact sport. At some point, the sport needs to stand up to the Karens and Kevins of the world, and remind them it's a contact sport, and politely ask them to **** off and put their kids into tennis.

How did everyone lose the thought that it was a contact sport? Like the dumb arses that Sue AFL and nrl for getting concussed

 

[Midean]

What was the charge? Took him high? Don't care, it was front on, it was powerful, and a smaller guy slightly slipped down and his head impacted. Unfortunate, but not a sin bin.

It's a contact sport. At some point, the sport needs to stand up to the Karens and Kevins of the world, and remind them it's a contact sport, and politely ask them to **** off and put their kids into tennis.

Preach brother preach AMEN!

 

[Sirlee oldman]

He’s clearly an out of control thug. Should be made to come back to the Broncos for rehabilitation.

 

[Morkel]

Slipping, falling, it doesn't matter. The duty of care lies with the tackler, and that was drummed in to the players and the fans very clearly. You can argue that you don't believe it should be the rule, but that's the rule.

 

[Nashy]

Slipping, falling, it doesn't matter. The duty of care lies with the tackler, and that was drummed in to the players and the fans very clearly. You can argue that you don't believe it should be the rule, but that's the rule.

What is the rule? What's he charged with?

 

[Fozz]

What is the rule? What's he charged with?

Careless high tackle

 

[Midean]

Slipping, falling, it doesn't matter. The duty of care lies with the tackler, and that was drummed in to the players and the fans very clearly. You can argue that you don't believe it should be the rule, but that's the rule.

Its a stupid rule, as it takes all responsibility away from the attacking player.

Accidents occur in contact sports, with no malicious intent.
The head contact happened not because of negligence on Su'as part, but because Lewis slipped and fell.
Penalty, sin bin, and now suspension because the turf was wet? In what world is that common sense?

 

[Huge]

Initial few angles of it I thought it was just a good shot. Looking at it a few more times, the fact he got his directly on the head is bad, being a near-shoulder-charge is worse. Regardless of whether we believe that shot was worth a binning, by the rules it was, 100%, and probably worth 2-3 weeks. The NRL explicitly stated that there is a duty of care to not hit other players in the head. Slipping or not, you go in for a big shot, you have to wear the consequences if it goes wrong. I'm siding with the refs on this one.

Tend to agree. All he has to do is bend at the waist and drive and it's tackle of the year. If he can time it high he can time it low and remove all doubt.