NEWS Long awaited rebuild pencilled in for next year

The Shit Factory is pounding its meat today over the prospect of Kevvie sausage-mincing half the roster. The club has 13 players coming off contract and more than $3 million to splash, and that's not counting the billions of Dobbobux they have under the table. With the start to the season already ranking as the worst since Federation, nerves are twitchy.

Players coming off contract include
Alex Glenn, Kotoni Staggs, Anthony Milford, Jesse Arthars, John Asiata, Xavier Coates, Dale Copley, Tom Dearden, Danny Levi, David Mead, Tesi Niu, Keenan Palasia and Ben Te’o.

Pin the tail

Where the darts landed.

The chief manure dispenser thinks Coates, Staggs, Dearden and Niu are safe - unless Dearden runs off to join the Cowboys circus. He thinks currently contracted players at risk of being turfed if they don't shape up include Matt Lodge, Corey Oates, Brodie Croft, Tom Flegler, Richie Kennar and Rhys Kennedy. Te'o and Glenn are likely to pass through the gates of Rugby League heaven.

Meanwhile, Walters appears cool with the progress of
Payne Haas, Pat Carrigan, Herbie Farnworth, Tevita Pangai Jnr, Jamayne Isaako, Ethan Bullemor and Jake Turpin. While Jordan Riki and Brendan Piakura both recently signed for three-years.

Kevin Walters confirms:


“I am doing that, definitely. A little bit has to happen for us to do what we want to do with this roster. We have played some good teams so far this season and I now have a fair idea in my head of what I want to do, who I want to keep, and I’m working towards that over the next month or so.”



Kevvie's got this

“If you wear a seven jumper these days you are linked to the Broncos, so that’s part of it. We are a big club, we are a strong club. It’s great to know other players want to come and play at the Broncos, that’s what it is all about.”

“I’m more than happy to be working with the current roster we have and it’s my job to get some more improvement out of the players. The roster in every organisation is a work in progress. Some rosters are more stable than others but everyone is always looking to improve their rosters and we’re the same.”

Corey Parker said:

“For me, the No.1 priority for the Broncos is a top-shelf playmaker. They need to get a stable, established halfback. The Cowboys have bought Chad Townsend and I think that is a perfect purchase. He has played almost 200 games and won a premiership, he is a great professional and will steer the Cowboys around."

“I also think the Broncos need a fullback. If they don’t have the salary-cap space and want to persist with Jamayne Isaako at 1, that is fine, but the next target should be signing a mobile, smaller No.13."

“With where the game is going and what the Broncos currently have on their roster, they are missing a mobile lock who can created some ruck speed in midfield."

“I love a lot of things Jake Turpin does at hooker, his work-rate, toughness, tenacity and commitment is unquestioned, but he isn’t the most creative No.9. If the Broncos don’t have a creative nine, they can benefit from a creative 13 such as Cameron Murray, Isaah Yeo, Nathan Brown and Victor Radley. Nathan Brown is still off-contract, so someone like him would be ideal.”

“In 2015, when we made the grand final at the Broncos under Wayne Bennett — and ‘Kevvie’ was there as his assistant — our identity, our style was flat and fast. We used to have a set called the flat-fast set. Everyone would push up through the middle third and we would tear up the advantage line. If we got a fast play the ball, we took off through the middle and created space out wide. Kevin Walters needs to identify the style of football he wants to play ... and then buy players to fit into his style at the Broncos.”

Michael Ennis said:

“There’s no doubt that it’s a huge time for Kev at the club. They’ve had an awful amount of no success in that last 18 months and they just can’t keep persisting with what they’re doing at the moment. There’s some big names and I think absolutely some of them won’t be at Brisbane next year."

“Brodie hasn’t been able to fire since he came from the Storm. Reynolds or Moses, they have to land one of them. Brisbane has always, forever and a day, attracted the big-name players. They’ve got to land a Reynolds or a Moses, they have to. Capewell has been terrific at Penrith but will he leave there? Su’a has been terrific at Souths, yes he wants to go back to Queensland as we understand, so I can understand that.”

Benji Marshall said:

“They’ve never had to pay overs to get players. In the past people have been happy to go to Brisbane and genuinely been happy to take unders to go to a successful team. But at the moment it looks like they’re going to have to pay overs to get players there.”

McHunt
 
I'd absolutely be throwing Staggs the number 1 jersey.
He is by far our most damaging runner who would at least make the D uncomfortable and create some space for those around him.
Gives the halves something to dummy to , gives our first option a better chance of crashing over.
If he is serious about playing 6 then fullback is the perfect place to start like some of the best before him.
Also if he wants spine level $$$ he should be in the spine
You're forgetting that one of the most vital roles a Fullback fills these days is organising and setting our defence and in that aspect of the game Staggs is perhaps the least qualified of any Bronco currently playing for us.
 
You're forgetting that one of the most vital roles a Fullback fills these days is organising and setting our defence and in that aspect of the game Staggs is perhaps the least qualified of any Bronco currently playing for us.
Why do you think that.
He hasn't played there yet
 
Sorry, don't agree with fullback. He's a Centre. He's not a 5/8 either, I don't think he's very smart so we don't want to make him think about stuff other than running. We tried and failed spectacularly at that with Milf, Barba, and Hoffman.
Why don't you think he is very smart.??
Can you tell just by looking at him.
I'd be if he was just a running fullback to start
A passing game will come if he has the ability.
 
Why do you think that.
He hasn't played there yet
Well I mean, that statement in itself highlights the most glaring issue with that plan. Last I checked, the NRL isn't where you go to learn to play Fullback.

But putting that aside, he's an awful defender individually and probably the worst decision maker in defence at the club, so forgive me if I'm not exactly inspired by the prospect of having that guy direct and control the defensive structure of our entire team.

People get hung up on the razzle dazzle Fullback stuff from guys like Slater, but I'm sure Bellamy himself would tell you that it's what Slater did off the ball in defence that really set him apart from everyone else.
 
Well I mean, that statement in itself highlights the most glaring issue with that plan. Last I checked, the NRL isn't where you go to learn to play Fullback.

But putting that aside, he's an awful defender individually and probably the worst decision maker in defence at the club, so forgive me if I'm not exactly inspired by the prospect of having that guy direct and control the defensive structure of our entire team.

People get hung up on the razzle dazzle Fullback stuff from guys like Slater, but I'm sure Bellamy himself would tell you that it's what Slater did off the ball in defence that really set him apart from everyone else.
I think you are missing.my point.
Staggs IMO would be much better than Isako who is doing a rubbish job at pretty much everything you have pointed out.
Staggs IMO is a better option, for us, from the players we have to pick from.
 
Promise him anything, who cares, once hes signed, he can play where the coach sees fit....

Im sure KW can sort it out.

KS - "Hi coach, Stagg sign new contract...Stagg now five-eighth for Brisbane Broncos..."

KW - "Thats great news Kotoni, we are so pleased youve decided to commit to our team and the lads will be delighted....now, run out to training and assume your new position mate.."

KS - "Sure thing.....Stagg listen, um......where do you want Stagg to be?"

KW - "Ok so, i want you out there on the right side of the field, and i want you to keep going until you have only Coates outside of you....off you go..."

KS - "Um....ok Stagg listen.......er....geez, Stagg feels very comfortable right here, like ive always played five eighth here.....Stagg gunna be best five eight in the NRL.."

KW - "NIce one Kotoni...."

KS - "Um....why Stagg no have the 6 on back..?.....Stagg new five eighth, need number 6..?"

KW - "Oh Kotoni, thats like SOOO the 1990s mate.......all the cool five eights in the comp wear 3 now...."

KS -"Umm....YEH....Stagg be cool....wear 3 like coach says......i love being Broncos five eighth..."

KW - "Youll keep son....."
 
I think you are missing.my point.
Staggs IMO would be much better than Isako who is doing a rubbish job at pretty much everything you have pointed out.
Staggs IMO is a better option, for us, from the players we have to pick from.
That's the thing about the NRL though, you don't have to pick from players you already have.

A month ago the Warriors didn't have Reece Walsh and now they do. 2 weeks ago the Dragons didn't have Josh McGuire and now they do.

Other clubs can go out and recruit players for their spine that they actually need and there is no reason, gross incompetence aside, that we can't too.
 
Promise him anything, who cares, once hes signed, he can play where the coach sees fit....

Im sure KW can sort it out.

KS - "Hi coach, Stagg sign new contract...Stagg now five-eighth for Brisbane Broncos..."

KW - "Thats great news Kotoni, we are so pleased youve decided to commit to our team and the lads will be delighted....now, run out to training and assume your new position mate.."

KS - "Sure thing.....Stagg listen, um......where do you want Stagg to be?"

KW - "Ok so, i want you out there on the right side of the field, and i want you to keep going until you have only Coates outside of you....off you go..."

KS - "Um....ok Stagg listen.......er....geez, Stagg feels very comfortable right here, like ive always played five eighth here.....Stagg gunna be best five eight in the NRL.."

KW - "NIce one Kotoni...."

KS - "Um....why Stagg no have the 6 on back..?.....Stagg new five eighth, need number 6..?"

KW - "Oh Kotoni, thats like SOOO the 1990s mate.......all the cool five eights in the comp wear 3 now...."

KS -"Umm....YEH....Stagg be cool....wear 3 like coach says......i love being Broncos five eighth..."

KW - "Youll keep son....."

It is even easier than that, just put some attractive feet pictures out where you want him to stand.

There is no way he will be able to resist this:
images
 
Ok, so I'm trying to find some positives at the moment and I think I may have found something to look forward to. Looking at our current contract situation as it stands today and the only guys currently signed for 2023 and beyond are Haas, Flegler, Piakura, Riki and Lodge has player options in his favour.

This effectively means we can re-build our entire roster from the ground up over 2021 and 2022. It's probably going to involve more short term pain, but there is some real, genuine light at the end of the tunnel if we use this opportunity wisely.

If we look at the Storm, they are a club who almost religiously sticks to the formula of investing heavily in their spine and then one or two other key guys, and filling out the remainder of their cap with experienced journeymen who fill a specific need, and good up and coming rookies.

If we were to maintain the same formula, then we can use these next 18 months or so to recruit a highly paid and proven specialist for each of our four spine positions as none of our current guys would be under contract for 2023. We could quite literally spend $3 million+ on recruiting four elite spine players if we wanted to, such is our flexibility under the cap going into 2023.

Outside of these four gun spine players, we would still have Haas who we can build our pack around for 2023 and 2024 on a very, very good deal for the Broncos, though he's going to need a huge upgrade in 2025 so we'll need space up our sleeves. We can afford to have one more enforcer type Middle Forward, but that likely means only one of Lodge or TPJ, as it's unlikely our cap could sustain both (especially with Flegler soaking up too much money, but that ends at least after 2023). Ideally at this point we'd find a suitor for Lodge so we could re-sign TPJ, but if we can't then unfortunately, TPJ may have to go which is terrible but we're painted into a corner here by the contracts for Lodge and Flegler.

Our Edge roles would be filled by Riki and Piakura who are both already signed and should both be hitting their strides by this point. It might prove useful to recruit an older and more experienced guy like Capewell between now and then to help us transition these guys into full time roles, but ideally that would not be a long term hire unless he continued to provide good value.

The remainder of our pack outside of Haas, our Edges, and one of Lodge or TPJ, would then need to be guys who can be retained for very good value. Ideally we'd retain Carrigan and Bullemor, but we simply cannot get into a bidding war for these guys under any circumstances because we need to invest heavily in our spine roles and retaining Haas, and everything else comes second to those needs. This leaves us looking for probably an experienced journeyman type Prop and then another up and comer to play the base minute role.

As for our backs, it is simply not viable for us to overinvest in more than one elite Outside Back besides our Fullback. This means we can have one gun Winger or one gun Centre, but cannot afford to spend stupid amounts of money on both. This likely means we need to retain one of Staggs or Coates, but we are in serious trouble if we attempt to keep both unless we can somehow pay unders for one or both of them. This means Oates needs to take a big pay cut or find a new club. It also means Herbie can only be retained provided he doesn't cost significantly more to re-sign than he costs us right now.

Our Wing spots need to be made up of guys who make limited mistakes, or up and coming rookies who we want to blood in First Grade, but we cannot afford the luxury of overspending in this area so ideally we have one strike Centre, one workman like Centre, and probably one experienced Winger to go with an up and coming rookie. I cannot stress enough how bad it is for us to overspend on Wingers.

I'm going to go with the current 2022 Salary Cap number of $9.11 million, obviously this will be slightly higher in 2023 though in all likelihood. I'll do my best with rough numbers here:

If we spend the following:

$3.5 million on x 4 Spine Players
$850k on Piakura and Riki combined
$500k on Haas (amazing price)
$600k on Flegler (awful price, offsets the great value of Haas)
$700k on retaining TPJ or letting Lodge take up his PO's (worst case scenario)

This leaves us with $6,110,000 and 21 spots

1 x Gun Outside Back is likely to cost $750-800k so that leaves $5,310,000 and 20 spots at an average of $265,500 per spot, which initially doesn't sound great, but remember that you'll have a chunk of rookies and base price spare Middles and Outside Back, so say 8 out of that 20 were on the rookie wage of approx $125,000 that takes another million bucks out of the pile and leaves 12 spots to be split amongst $4,310,000 at $359,166 per player.

If six of those 12 spots went to guys earning around $300k that leaves you with six spots and $2,510,000 to spend on them at an average of $418,333 per player. If three of six could be purchased at $380,000 that leaves you with 1,370,000 to spend on just three spots at an average of $456,666 per player, and these last three spots are crucial because they need to be your supporting case for your main guys. The Brandon Smith or Kenny Bromwich or Dale Finucane of the current Melbourne sides.

There is some room to toggle here, but it's absolutely critical that for every guy you spend over on outside of these brackets, other guys will need to come in under in the bracket below.

It's a very delicate juggling act, but it ensures you have an elite spine, some very high quality guys to build your pack around, and some strike power on at least one side of the field for your Fullback and Halves to work with.

Melbourne have been no doubt blessed in how well they've filled these roles outside their man cast and perhaps we won't have the same results initially, but if we rigidly stick to spending money in our key roles and not overspending elsewhere you will absolutely see this side turn itself around in the near future.
 
Ok, so I'm trying to find some positives at the moment and I think I may have found something to look forward to. Looking at our current contract situation as it stands today and the only guys currently signed for 2023 and beyond are Haas, Flegler, Piakura, Riki and Lodge has player options in his favour.

This effectively means we can re-build our entire roster from the ground up over 2021 and 2022. It's probably going to involve more short term pain, but there is some real, genuine light at the end of the tunnel if we use this opportunity wisely.

If we look at the Storm, they are a club who almost religiously sticks to the formula of investing heavily in their spine and then one or two other key guys, and filling out the remainder of their cap with experienced journeymen who fill a specific need, and good up and coming rookies.

If we were to maintain the same formula, then we can use these next 18 months or so to recruit a highly paid and proven specialist for each of our four spine positions as none of our current guys would be under contract for 2023. We could quite literally spend $3 million+ on recruiting four elite spine players if we wanted to, such is our flexibility under the cap going into 2023.

Outside of these four gun spine players, we would still have Haas who we can build our pack around for 2023 and 2024 on a very, very good deal for the Broncos, though he's going to need a huge upgrade in 2025 so we'll need space up our sleeves. We can afford to have one more enforcer type Middle Forward, but that likely means only one of Lodge or TPJ, as it's unlikely our cap could sustain both (especially with Flegler soaking up too much money, but that ends at least after 2023). Ideally at this point we'd find a suitor for Lodge so we could re-sign TPJ, but if we can't then unfortunately, TPJ may have to go which is terrible but we're painted into a corner here by the contracts for Lodge and Flegler.

Our Edge roles would be filled by Riki and Piakura who are both already signed and should both be hitting their strides by this point. It might prove useful to recruit an older and more experienced guy like Capewell between now and then to help us transition these guys into full time roles, but ideally that would not be a long term hire unless he continued to provide good value.

The remainder of our pack outside of Haas, our Edges, and one of Lodge or TPJ, would then need to be guys who can be retained for very good value. Ideally we'd retain Carrigan and Bullemor, but we simply cannot get into a bidding war for these guys under any circumstances because we need to invest heavily in our spine roles and retaining Haas, and everything else comes second to those needs. This leaves us looking for probably an experienced journeyman type Prop and then another up and comer to play the base minute role.

As for our backs, it is simply not viable for us to overinvest in more than one elite Outside Back besides our Fullback. This means we can have one gun Winger or one gun Centre, but cannot afford to spend stupid amounts of money on both. This likely means we need to retain one of Staggs or Coates, but we are in serious trouble if we attempt to keep both unless we can somehow pay unders for one or both of them. This means Oates needs to take a big pay cut or find a new club. It also means Herbie can only be retained provided he doesn't cost significantly more to re-sign than he costs us right now.

Our Wing spots need to be made up of guys who make limited mistakes, or up and coming rookies who we want to blood in First Grade, but we cannot afford the luxury of overspending in this area so ideally we have one strike Centre, one workman like Centre, and probably one experienced Winger to go with an up and coming rookie. I cannot stress enough how bad it is for us to overspend on Wingers.

I'm going to go with the current 2022 Salary Cap number of $9.11 million, obviously this will be slightly higher in 2023 though in all likelihood. I'll do my best with rough numbers here:

If we spend the following:

$3.5 million on x 4 Spine Players
$850k on Piakura and Riki combined
$500k on Haas (amazing price)
$600k on Flegler (awful price, offsets the great value of Haas)
$700k on retaining TPJ or letting Lodge take up his PO's (worst case scenario)

This leaves us with $6,110,000 and 21 spots

1 x Gun Outside Back is likely to cost $750-800k so that leaves $5,310,000 and 20 spots at an average of $265,500 per spot, which initially doesn't sound great, but remember that you'll have a chunk of rookies and base price spare Middles and Outside Back, so say 8 out of that 20 were on the rookie wage of approx $125,000 that takes another million bucks out of the pile and leaves 12 spots to be split amongst $4,310,000 at $359,166 per player.

If six of those 12 spots went to guys earning around $300k that leaves you with six spots and $2,510,000 to spend on them at an average of $418,333 per player. If three of six could be purchased at $380,000 that leaves you with 1,370,000 to spend on just three spots at an average of $456,666 per player, and these last three spots are crucial because they need to be your supporting case for your main guys. The Brandon Smith or Kenny Bromwich or Dale Finucane of the current Melbourne sides.

There is some room to toggle here, but it's absolutely critical that for every guy you spend over on outside of these brackets, other guys will need to come in under in the bracket below.

It's a very delicate juggling act, but it ensures you have an elite spine, some very high quality guys to build your pack around, and some strike power on at least one side of the field for your Fullback and Halves to work with.

Melbourne have been no doubt blessed in how well they've filled these roles outside their man cast and perhaps we won't have the same results initially, but if we rigidly stick to spending money in our key roles and not overspending elsewhere you will absolutely see this side turn itself around in the near future.
You may want to check the math.
Unless you're using dobbo bucks???
Or Rooster dollars
 
Broncs should offer a fire sale of their players with long-term contracts they don't want by covering like 80% of their salary for this year but not future years. This will be attractive to clubs that are in the 2021 premiership window. This year is already a write-off for the Broncs so might as well dig ourselves into a deeper hole right now but become fiscally stronger in the future.
 
Broncs should offer a fire sale of their players with long-term contracts they don't want by covering like 80% of their salary for this year but not future years. This will be attractive to clubs that are in the 2021 premiership window. This year is already a write-off for the Broncs so might as well dig ourselves into a deeper hole right now but become fiscally stronger in the future.
I don't hate the idea. Give players away basically for free if it means the other club takes the remaining years. We're not challenging a premiership this year, so whatever gets us to our ideal roster the fastest would be good.
 

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