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[abashii]

There was no intention to sack him, we just weren't going to renew his contract there is a difference.

If there was no intention to sack him, why did White let Seibold have input as to our 2019 roster while Bennett was still our head coach?

 

[heartly87]

I'm more than happy to move on when someone can present a tangible reason why we need to permanently move on from Bennett in all capacities besides just an arbitrary 'his time is over and we can't go back' line of dribble.

I would put it this way. What position will we be in the next time he is gone. Will we be better off. What will he do that makes us a better club that he couldn't of done in his last stint. I would argue he did not make us better at all last time.

No we need to build a culture that is not dependent on one man. We have sees the fruits of that. People cant buy in and can't let go.

Kev or whoever the coach is needs to be able to come in and clean out all the stink from both Seibs and Wayne.

 

[Dexter]

EDIT: Unnecessary

 

[Foordy]

Nonsense. The club made the call to punt Bennett long before any of that unfolded when they pursued Bellamy in the first place. They'd already decided Bennett wasn't in their future plans and just hadn't bothered to tell him. Remarkably, when he found out Bennett even conceded himself that this was a good thing for the club to do and he was happy to help that transition take place after his deal was up in 2019 but he was always planning to see out his deal. I think the actions of the Broncos suggest they had plans for Bennett to go sooner than that though because they immediately went to interviewing Seibold as soon as the Bellamy deal fell over. Asking Bennett to shove off to be replaced by the best Coach in the game in Bellamy is one thing, but to move to punt him for the likes of Seibold or even Walters, well that's another matter entirely and only a fool could be surprised that Bennett saw it that way too.

Bennett, not the club, was the one who proposed the original plan to transition his replacement into the role. He wanted to finish his current deal up to the end of 2019, take another year in 2020 and during that season get everything set up for Jason Demetriou or another replacement to take over in 2021.

The club kept Bennett in the dark for something like 5 weeks IIRC then sent him a letter to offer him an Admin role. The longest serving Coach the club has ever had, who has contributed far more to this place than your heroes Paul White and Karl Morris have ever contributed themselves, was sent a letter in the mail to offer him a back office role, even after he'd been the proactive one that engaged THEM about succession planning and getting a replacement for himself in place. It was insulting to say the least and no matter how much you are in love with Paul White, even you surely couldn't argue Bennett deserved more respect than that.

As for the games Bennett played, well shock horror, arguably the greatest gamesman in the NRL didn't take his brushing lightly and had plenty of tricks up his sleeve to handle exactly that. Paul White and Karl Morris were utter fools to ever entertain the idea that Bennett would shut up and take this sort of disrespect lying down without throwing anything back himself. In that sense, I shouldn't be surprised by the foolish underestimating of Bennett because Paul White has quite a history of grossly underestimating people and mishandling critical situations, so I guess his dropping the ball on Bennett is just another one to add to the list.

I always laugh at crap like this

Bennett tells the club they should chase Bellamy >>> the club in fact chases Bellamy >>> Bennett acts all surprised and hurt that the club chased Bellamy.

what did he want us to do ... wait until Bellamy re-signed with the Storm before we started our chase.

FTR, if we were successful in following Bennett's advice and landed Bellamy, there would have been absolutely no room at the club for Bennett, as there is zero chance Bellamy signs if we have a coaching director. in fact the coaching director role was probably only thought of, because once we missed Bellamy, the 3 leading contenders for the position were all rookie coaches.

 

[broncos4life]

I'm more than happy to move on when someone can present a tangible reason why we need to permanently move on from Bennett in all capacities besides just an arbitrary 'his time is over and we can't go back' line of dribble.

Because whenever he moves on from a club there is always a year or two at least of things being fucked. Also the guy is fucking ancient so if we don’t learn how to work without him what do you suggest? Drag his corpse around? Weekend at Benny’s?

 

[Kimlo]

I honestly can't really fathom where the idea that we have to leave Wayne in the past has come from?

The guy is one of a handful of people who could claim to have quite literally built the Broncos as we know them today. He's certainly poured a significant part of his life and career into the place and without a doubt would have a desire to see us succeed long into the future after he's no longer around. To say that person should never again have a place at the club on principle (what principle that is I don't actually know - we shafted him, not the other way around remember) I think is foolish and not based in good objective reasoning. Wayne should be as welcome to apply for any role at the club like any other person in the game and if he is honestly the best person available for that role then I think his Broncos history should only help him in securing a role, certainly not something to be used against him.

I agree that in 2018 I felt it was time to go in a new direction for a Head Coach. Bennett himself even acknowledged that if they could get Craig Bellamy it would serve the club well in the long run and even offered to be part of that transition if the management could get Bellamy over the line. Even when that fell over he still agreed to help us transition to a new Coach that he would actively help to prepare to take over from him. The man obviously recognised even then that he cannot Coach forever and the club needed to think about the long term. What transpired since then was essentially us telling him to get fucked and the fallout from it suggests that the board and management themselves allowed personal ego and grudges to dictate that Wayne had to be removed from the place entirely. I think with the benefit of hindsight given the decisions they made following that, you could well argue they got that call wrong.

If a Coaching Director/Director of Football is a role that can add value to the club, then I can think of almost no person on Earth who would be better placed to fill that role at the Broncos. It would need clear guidelines around who was responsible for what and Wayne would obviously need to respect the Coaches authority and ability to make decisions, but I'm very confident Wayne himself knows he's not coming back here to Coach the football team himself and I think with so many runs on the board we can give him the benefit of the doubt to understand what the role would involve and how he would fit into the place going forward.

If the guy wanted to be a head Coach then he would no doubt still be one of the most in demand going around today, so if he's even considering a role like this it very likely tells you he's ready to take the next step in his career so I'm not sure I buy the whole 'Wayne is too hands on and overbearing' story line. As a Coach I'm sure it's true because that's what he's paid for, but he knows this time around he's filling a different role with different responsibilities.

If Ikin's argument is that no such role should exist, then I'm prepared to accept that, but I think if he was truly objective and there were no other factors at play then the prudent thing to do would come on board first and evaluate the place before making a call on if the role even warrants existing, let alone who should or shouldn't fill that role going forward. He might well be spot on in his evaluation, but personally I'm not a big fan of using your position in the media to rule someone out of a hypothetical role at place you don't work at using the authority of a job you don't actually have.

Absolutely this. Also Bennett doesn't even micro manage the players, why does anyone think he'll micro manage the coach? He's always been a hands off boss who simply sets up an environment where his employees are happy and can flourish. I have no doubt he'd be an outstanding head of football. If I was a young coach stepping into an NRL gig, there isn't a person I would want more than Bennett to be able to fall back on when I needed help or a second opinion. He's done absolutely everything in the game and his players have always loved him and I think he more than anyone, doesn't like to be micro managed so he wouldn't do the same to a coach.

 

[lynx000]

I have no reason to believe otherwise. It was the plan he put forward, Souths have already signed Demetriou so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't have done the same. The board clearly didnt want JD, but the board are clearly fucking special in the head so they probably got that one wrong as well.

That is something that has really puzzled me. Leaving Maguire out of the debate, of the three other non-NRL experienced applicants, JD clearly had the best record, he had the most recent involvement with the club which meant that they should have been well aware of what he offered.

I hope he wasn't torpedoed by the ego clash between White and the Board and Bennett. I have a sneaking suspicion that he was.

 

[broncsgoat]

That is something that has really puzzled me. Leaving Maguire out of the debate, of the three other non-NRL experienced applicants, JD clearly had the best record, he had the most recent involvement with the club which meant that they should have been well aware of what he offered.

I hope he wasn't torpedoed by the ego clash between White and the Board and Bennett. I have a sneaking suspicion that he was.

Yeah it turned into a dick swinging contest and White et al ‘won’.

I find it funny that people talk about Wayne’s ego being an issue when it was the boards not wanting be listen to his advice which caused this shit fight.

 

[mrslong]

This is a very well argued thread. I find myself agreeing with every side of the argument.
It comes with free froghurt - that’s good. The froghurt is also cursed - that’s bad.

I think we needed to move on from Wayne, and we should have gone JD. Wayne shouldn’t have asked for the extra year. White shouldn’t have pulled rank and bent over for Seibold (If he wanted the job so much, why did we have to pay him so much). Wayne shouldn’t have dealt behind our backs with Souths. Seibold shouldn’t have been a narcissistic little man and undone Bennett’s amazing legacy.

 

[Cult]

I always laugh at crap like this

Bennett tells the club they should chase Bellamy >>> the club in fact chases Bellamy >>> Bennett acts all surprised and hurt that the club chased Bellamy.

what did he want us to do ... wait until Bellamy re-signed with the Storm before we started our chase.

FTR, if we were successful in following Bennett's advice and landed Bellamy, there would have been absolutely no room at the club for Bennett, as there is zero chance Bellamy signs if we have a coaching director. in fact the coaching director role was probably only thought of, because once we missed Bellamy, the 3 leading contenders for the position were all rookie coaches.

Pretty sure you’ve gotten those first two steps backwards, which completely changes the narrative.

 

[broncsgoat]

Pretty sure you’ve gotten those first two steps backwards, which completely changes the narrative.

Yeah I thought they just allowed Bennett to spin it that he was involved when it all became public but it was pretty clear he hadn’t known.

 

[Foordy]

Pretty sure you’ve gotten those first two steps backwards, which completely changes the narrative.

not unless you're calling Bennett a LIAR

 

[tommy]

not unless you're calling Bennett a LIAR

 

[Cult]

not unless you're calling Bennett a LIAR

Wasn’t it first said that he wasn’t aware but when he was made aware he said it was a good idea? So they’d gone behind his back and he was able to save face? I’m not going to say I trust everything Bennett has ever said either, but your explanation wasn’t entirely truthful

 

[Scorchie]

It’ll be in Bennett’s retirement book

 

[Dexter]

I have no reason to believe otherwise. It was the plan he put forward, Souths have already signed Demetriou so there's nothing to suggest we wouldn't have done the same. The board clearly didnt want JD, but the board are clearly fucking special in the head so they probably got that one wrong as well.

Didn't Souths want Seibold to extend as well????

 

[Wolfie]

I think Robson was excellent back end of last season and had some decent games this year too. Hindered by all the shuffling in spine and Granville on the bench. Somewhat agree on HTF but he's 18yo so give it time. Clifford might be more an issue of poor coaching and playing behind a dominated pack (similar to Drinkwater and Holmes) rather than being a poor player but again we will see in time.

Many were calling for Opacic back at the Broncos just a few weeks ago. I read somewhere Roosters were sniffing around him but maybe that was rubbish. Anyway, I'll grant you Lemuelu and Gilbert (not that there are many elite 20yo locks in the comp atm).

This thread is at risk of being hijacked by this digression so maybe we just agree to disagree. My original comment was not intended as a slight on the Warriors in any way.

It isnt the rorters, its the Storm who are after him. Bellamy is a massive fan and has been chasing him for years and years. Tommy's biggest issue imo is he is far, far better as a right center than he is a left center, but because he is such a good team player and does whats best for the team rather than himself he keeps getting played at left center. If you look at him last year he was excellent alongside Feldt and Wright on their right side. They were rock solid both in defence and attack. He just keeps getting put on the left this year for some reason. Their coaches up there have seemed to rip up a combination that worked and have replaced it with one that doesn't.

Anyone who has seen Gilbert coming through would also never really call him bog average, but he has only really been solid so far for the Cowboys. I think he probably had the best year of any player i've seen in ISC last year. Form my money, he isnt far behind Carrigan in terms of being one of my favourite young players right now and i dont think he will be far behind him in terms of what he will achieve in his career. He is a bit unlucky at the Cowboys he has Moose and JT13 who play in the same position.

 

[Foordy]

Didn't Souths want Seibold to extend as well????

yep. and they were upset he choose us ...

although now Bennett's mouthpiece wants you to believe that the Broncos board contacted Souths board before hiring Seibs and Souths warned us about him ... like anyone would believe that a board would contact the employer of they guy you are trying to poach to ask their opinion of him ... lol