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[Organix]

yep. and they were upset he choose us ...

although now Bennett's mouthpiece wants you to believe that the Broncos board contacted Souths board before hiring Seibs and Souths warned us about him ... like anyone would believe that a board would contact the employer of they guy you are trying to poach to ask their opinion of him ... lol

Unless they wanted to either keep him or ruin his career out of spite

 

[Nightwatchman]

yep. and they were upset he choose us ...

although now Bennett's mouthpiece wants you to believe that the Broncos board contacted Souths board before hiring Seibs and Souths warned us about him ... like anyone would believe that a board would contact the employer of they guy you are trying to poach to ask their opinion of him ... lol

Yeah actually thought it was pretty pissweak of Anthony Seibold doing that. Not only Souths gave him his opportunity, but he also has a year left on his contract and he wants out to coach the Broncos. Seibold would be likely wondering how things would have turned out if he stayed loyal.

I tend to think we are not learning from our mistakes by pursuing Wayne Bennett. Bennett is contracted at Souths until the end of 2021. That should be enough incentive not to pursue it, rather then giving Souths the run around again.

 

[Foordy]

Yeah actually thought it was pretty pissweak of Anthony Seibold doing that. Not only Souths gave him his opportunity, but he also has a year left on his contract and he wants out to coach the Broncos. Seibold would be likely wondering how things would have turned out if he stayed loyal.

I tend to think we are not learning from our mistakes by pursuing Wayne Bennett. Bennett is contracted at Souths until the end of 2021. That should be enough incentive not to pursue it, rather then giving Souths the run around again.

a) seibs didn't sign to with us to break his contract, he signed with us for after his contract ended, which he is entitled to do. and Souths obviously rated him which is why they tried to extend and upgrade his contract

b) we are not pursuing Wayne Bennett

 

[Huge]

If I'm making assumptions about age and personal lifestyle factors impacting Wayne as he continues to age (factors which affect basically ever human being on the planet at some point) then I think it's probably fair to say that you and Ikin are also making some assumptions about Wayne and his ability to recognise his new role and the need to give Walters the space and scope to make his own mark on the place.

I think it's especially presumptuous because realistically Bennett is still probably one of the most in demand Coaches in the game and if he WANTED to keep Coaching full time as a Head Coach, he almost certainly could do exactly that at any number of clubs. The fact he's the one openly talking about taking a different and presumably less hands on role on, which is the same offer he made with Demetriou and the Broncos two years ago as well mind you so it's not as this is out of the blue, then I think one could reasonably assume Wayne, after several decades in the Head Coaching game, knows in himself he's really ready to move into the next chapter of his career.

So this. It's the tendency on here to claim special knowledge about another human beings thinking and views. I have no doubt that WB would be able to recognize that head coach and coaching director are different roles and given the mutual respect WB and KW have WB would likely keep his opinions and advice to himself UNTIL asked. If I were a novice nrl coach it would be a valuable resource for me especially when the inevitable rough patches occurred.

 

[Huge]

if that was the case, then he would be our coaching director right now.

Paul White and the board no longer thought it was best he be head coach, but obviously wanted to keep him around the club. which is why the wanted him to finish his contract and transition into a front office (coaching director) role. his ego couldn't handle that the club no longer wanted him as coach, so he left, playing games on his way out, so he'd get fired and not have to coach the final year of his contract

Well, that's an imaginative retelling for sure. History has proven the Broncos management were wrong. From what I remember WB offered a plan where he finished up this year before transitioning to a coaching director role in 21. We know Seeplod was a failure and I could imagine the 2020 Broncos doing everything they could to send him out a winner. I feel we wouldn't be in the shithouse like now had they listened.

 

[Nightwatchman]

a) seibs didn't sign to with us to break his contract, he signed with us for after his contract ended, which he is entitled to do. and Souths obviously rated him which is why they tried to extend and upgrade his contract

b) we are not pursuing Wayne Bennett

a) Seibold may have signed with the Broncos for the 2020 season after his contract ended with Souths. But I said he wanted out of Souths after he had signed with us. He didn't want to coach Souths for the 2019 season after the deal had been done. And the article with the link below backs those version of events.

b) My comment was directed at posters on this forum who were open to bringing Wayne Bennett back to the Broncos in a directors role next year.

‘Had a gutful’: Hurting Seibold unloads on Bennett’s ‘games’

‘Had a gutful’: Hurting Seibold unloads on Bennett’s ‘games’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Unbreakable]

From what I remember WB offered a plan where he finished up this year before transitioning to a coaching director role in 21.

Not true at all. Paul White gave Bennett an offer to finish up in 2019 and then transition into a 'senior front-office' role in 2020, which Bennett declined.

 

[Huge]

Not true at all. Paul White gave Bennett an offer to finish up in 2019 and then transition into a 'senior front-office' role in 2020, which Bennett declined.

Huh? How is one related to the other?

 

[Unbreakable]

Huh? How is one related to the other?

Because I'm pretty sure that's what you're remembering. I don't recall hearing anything about a proposition from Bennett to White about coaching the Broncos in 2020 and then being coaching director in 2021.

Maybe I just missed it, would you mind linking the story / quotes?

 

[Huge]

Because I'm pretty sure that's what you're remembering. I don't recall hearing anything about a proposition from Bennett to White about coaching the Broncos in 2020 and then being coaching director in 2021.

Maybe I just missed it, would you mind linking the story / quotes?

I'm not a whizz on computers so I'd need a 12 year-old to show me that process. My memory tells me WB approached the board with a plan which was: complete his contract in 2019, gain a further year in 2020 and transition to coaching director thereafter. I may be wrong.

 

[Huge]

Because I'm pretty sure that's what you're remembering. I don't recall hearing anything about a proposition from Bennett to White about coaching the Broncos in 2020 and then being coaching director in 2021.

Maybe I just missed it, would you mind linking the story / quotes?

Foundation coach Wayne Bennett has vowed to see out his Brisbane contract next year after being told the 2019 NRL season will be his last at the Broncos helm.


Brisbane ended months of speculation when the board confirmed they had knocked back Bennett's request for a 2020 extension and that next year would draw the curtain on the coach's glittering Broncos career.
There was speculation Bennett may walk away if his request to coach one more year was denied but the seven-time premiership winner said he would be holding the 2019 reins.

"Having the decision made now puts an end to speculation and allows a clear focus on getting ready for next season," Bennett said in a statement.
"I firmly believe in the playing group we have here at the club."

Former Brisbane captain Justin Hodges said it was the "right decision" to cut ties with the 68-year-old, who will hold the Broncos reins for a 26th and final season next year.
"The board have made a strong stance and I think it is about time we move onto a different coach and try new things," Hodges told Fox Sports' NRL 360.
"I don't know which coach they are going to go for but whoever comes up has got to understand the Broncos are a massive club, expectations are high so we will need a strong coach to follow in the footsteps of Wayne Bennett.
"He's been a wonderful servant for the club. Hopefully the boys dig in for him next year and send him out on the right note."
Bennett had reportedly tabled a proposal to retain the reins in 2020 before moving into a Broncos football director role with current assistant Jason Demetriou as new head coach.
But Broncos chairman Karl Morris said on Tuesday he and Bennett had "agreed" that the master coach would see out his current contract to the end of 2019.

 

[Unbreakable]

Foundation coach Wayne Bennett has vowed to see out his Brisbane contract next year after being told the 2019 NRL season will be his last at the Broncos helm.


Brisbane ended months of speculation when the board confirmed they had knocked back Bennett's request for a 2020 extension and that next year would draw the curtain on the coach's glittering Broncos career.
There was speculation Bennett may walk away if his request to coach one more year was denied but the seven-time premiership winner said he would be holding the 2019 reins.

"Having the decision made now puts an end to speculation and allows a clear focus on getting ready for next season," Bennett said in a statement.
"I firmly believe in the playing group we have here at the club."

Former Brisbane captain Justin Hodges said it was the "right decision" to cut ties with the 68-year-old, who will hold the Broncos reins for a 26th and final season next year.
"The board have made a strong stance and I think it is about time we move onto a different coach and try new things," Hodges told Fox Sports' NRL 360.
"I don't know which coach they are going to go for but whoever comes up has got to understand the Broncos are a massive club, expectations are high so we will need a strong coach to follow in the footsteps of Wayne Bennett.
"He's been a wonderful servant for the club. Hopefully the boys dig in for him next year and send him out on the right note."
Bennett had reportedly tabled a proposal to retain the reins in 2020 before moving into a Broncos football director role with current assistant Jason Demetriou as new head coach.
But Broncos chairman Karl Morris said on Tuesday he and Bennett had "agreed" that the master coach would see out his current contract to the end of 2019.

Ahhh. I stand corrected.

It's understandable why we didn't accept that offer though, the wording of that 'proposal' almost sounds like he wanted Demetriou in charge for 2021 onward because he knew he could essentially just coach through him from behind the scenes. Nothing much would have changed, we were clearly headed backwards every year under Bennett post-2015, unfortunately we somehow chose the absolute worst candidate to replace him.

We'd certainly be in a better position as a club if Bennett stayed, but I don't think we'd be any closer to another premiership, if that makes sense. I think this complete clean-out needed to happen, with or without Bennett.

 

[Huge]

That was the proposal as reported but from what I read subsequently WB did not make Demetriou a stipulation. He was WBs recommendation but certainly wasn't a demand. History has proven the Broncos management were wrong and if you consider dead last(soon!) and midtable to be the same that would make your assertion correct. Naturally I don't consider them to even be in the same discussion and furthermore I cannot see the claim that we'd be no closer to a premiership as a given.

WB may have had the Broncos going backwards but it surely could be well argued the reverse may have become reality. Just because our defence(our attack remained solid) suffered through 17 and 18 doesn't absolutely guarantee it would have continued to decline.

My view, expressed repeatedly that the wrong decision was made proves myself and many others were on the money. I do admit that the sun shines even on a dogs arse from time to time but this time I feel certain I called it correctly. I just couldn't imagine WB ever allowing us to plumb such depths. Had he done so, I'd lead the charge to have him removed. I'm sure my desire to lead said charge would be swamped by other much more vociferous voices!!

 

[broncsgoat]

Foundation coach Wayne Bennett has vowed to see out his Brisbane contract next year after being told the 2019 NRL season will be his last at the Broncos helm.


Brisbane ended months of speculation when the board confirmed they had knocked back Bennett's request for a 2020 extension and that next year would draw the curtain on the coach's glittering Broncos career.
There was speculation Bennett may walk away if his request to coach one more year was denied but the seven-time premiership winner said he would be holding the 2019 reins.

"Having the decision made now puts an end to speculation and allows a clear focus on getting ready for next season," Bennett said in a statement.
"I firmly believe in the playing group we have here at the club."

Former Brisbane captain Justin Hodges said it was the "right decision" to cut ties with the 68-year-old, who will hold the Broncos reins for a 26th and final season next year.
"The board have made a strong stance and I think it is about time we move onto a different coach and try new things," Hodges told Fox Sports' NRL 360.
"I don't know which coach they are going to go for but whoever comes up has got to understand the Broncos are a massive club, expectations are high so we will need a strong coach to follow in the footsteps of Wayne Bennett.
"He's been a wonderful servant for the club. Hopefully the boys dig in for him next year and send him out on the right note."
Bennett had reportedly tabled a proposal to retain the reins in 2020 before moving into a Broncos football director role with current assistant Jason Demetriou as new head coach.
But Broncos chairman Karl Morris said on Tuesday he and Bennett had "agreed" that the master coach would see out his current contract to the end of 2019.

expectations are high so we will need a strong coach to follow in the footsteps of Wayne Bennett. - He wasn't

 

[Kooly87]

Pretty sure you’ve gotten those first two steps backwards, which completely changes the narrative.

Correct, he's absolutely ballsed up the time line and the reasons for Bennett being unhappy with the Bellamy situation. I can't tell if he's so infatuated with Paul White that he genuinely doesn't realise he's got it twisted around or that he is aware of it and is deliberately twisting it so Bennett looks like he was the one being sneaky when it's absolutely obvious that it was White and the Broncos going behind Bennett's back and making moves hoping not to get caught.

 

[Kooly87]

That was the proposal as reported but from what I read subsequently WB did not make Demetriou a stipulation. He was WBs recommendation but certainly wasn't a demand. History has proven the Broncos management were wrong and if you consider dead last(soon!) and midtable to be the same that would make your assertion correct. Naturally I don't consider them to even be in the same discussion and furthermore I cannot see the claim that we'd be no closer to a premiership as a given.

WB may have had the Broncos going backwards but it surely could be well argued the reverse may have become reality. Just because our defence(our attack remained solid) suffered through 17 and 18 doesn't absolutely guarantee it would have continued to decline.

My view, expressed repeatedly that the wrong decision was made proves myself and many others were on the money. I do admit that the sun shines even on a dogs arse from time to time but this time I feel certain I called it correctly. I just couldn't imagine WB ever allowing us to plumb such depths. Had he done so, I'd lead the charge to have him removed. I'm sure my desire to lead said charge would be swamped by other much more vociferous voices!!

You're spot on about Bennett and Demetriou. Bennett certainly suggested Demetriou as his succesor, but it was absolutely in the Broncos court as to who they appointed and Bennett sticking around wasn't contingent on any replacement in particular.

 

[Kooly87]

This is a very well argued thread. I find myself agreeing with every side of the argument.
It comes with free froghurt - that’s good. The froghurt is also cursed - that’s bad.

I think we needed to move on from Wayne, and we should have gone JD. Wayne shouldn’t have asked for the extra year. White shouldn’t have pulled rank and bent over for Seibold (If he wanted the job so much, why did we have to pay him so much). Wayne shouldn’t have dealt behind our backs with Souths. Seibold shouldn’t have been a narcissistic little man and undone Bennett’s amazing legacy.

I think this is actually quite a good little summation of the whole thing. I'm certainly by no means saying Bennett's hands were clean because he obviously was quite happy to play dirty once he realised the Broncos had put a big red line through his name, but I simply can't abide by rampant White apologists attempting to retcon the whole thing just so it doesn't look like Paul White and Karl Morris made the first significant moves to upset the whole apple cart.

 

[Sproj]

The Broncos totally screwed the Bennett thing up, there is absolutely no denying that. They also confused Seibold’s stubbornness for strength. This club has been set back years as a result unless they get the right coach and right recruits in next year. I’m not holding my breath.