Player Managers (spin off from Bird's a Woman-basher thread)

[Hamm.0]

I have asked myself why they have them numerous times and still can't work it out. If you are a NRL player, you have training in morning, then personal time, then training in arvo. Also, there are other commitments during the week. HOWEVER; there is without a doubt, a lot of "down time" compared to the rest of the working world.

So I wonder, what does a manager do for you, that you couldn't do for yourself? I mean, professional RL is rather small. Is it that hard to make up your own CV/Profile and shop it around NRL/ESL clubs? Once a player makes it regular in the NRL, surely he is known by potential NRL/ESL clubs? I totally understand a young guy, playing in the QRL or Jim Beam Cup having representation, but regular first graders are either lazy or enjoy wasting cash on NOTHING.

I have mates who have played County cricket in England, one of my good mates just went to play Union in Edinburgh. They all do it themselves, via phone/fax/internet. So, how come a regular first grader in the NRL can't do it?

I understand that Player Managers can get third-party sponsorship, etc., but look around....they obviously aren't. I hardly ever see advertisement with an NRL player on it. Especially not one with said player not in uniform (which is a club sponsor, not player sponsor). Picture this, you own Beaurepairs Mt. Gravatt; Sam Thaiday rings up and asks to speak to the owner. He gives his details, etc and organises lunch with you. He offers to be used in advertisement (be it signing day, TV ads, posters, whatever) for a fee.

I reckon as the owner of said franchise, I'd be very interested. Maybe legally I couldn't and maybe I decide not to use him. However, if Sam Thaiday repeats this process all over Brisbane, he is going to get companies interested in him. It's not rocket science. in fact, us Joe Blow's sometimes have to get employment with this method! I can see some people suggesting it would be easier with a manager to do the running around for the player, to which my answer is, the player is a lazy git.

If I was as famous as a regular NRL player and didn't want the effort or attention, I'd employ a manager, just for third party arrangements, I would never employ a manager, just to get me a contract in the NRL.

 

[Nashy]

Because most NRL players are deadshits for one. And contracts have a lot of legal junk in them. The player managers can also take the time required, and take on board the stress that the players don't need during the season.

The managers also know how the clubs operate, and would generally know how to negotiate far better than a player.

 

[Fozz]

They need someone to count all their money!

 

[Bucking Beads]

The need some one to pay Bail and think of a quality cover up story for glassing your missus or pissing in someones pocket.

 

[hol]

I suppose it's similar to why people use recruitment agencies to find a job.

It's less hassle and easier for a third-party to negotiate salary. Also helps when trying to negotiate deals with different clubs.

 

[Dexter]

Maybe the NRL should look at employing some player managers of their own at a much cheaper rate for the players and try to put these other parasites out of business.

I'm sure they could find ppl smarter than the current crop of managers and pay them a good enough salary so they aren't driven by commissions.

 

[Fozz]

Maybe the NRL should look at employing some player managers of their own at a much cheaper rate for the players and try to put these other parasites out of business.

Seems like a bit of a conflict of interest there. Although I like the idea, maybe having a group of people who manage players who are off contract - negotiating between clubs to get the players the best deal. They should be open to offers from the Super League and Union as well, obviously it would be up to the player to deceide what would be the best choice.

I do like Hammos idea of the player selling himself to the local businesses but I reckon it would be better for the clubs to do it for them. They could be a central point of contact for businesses wanting to get in touch with the player and for the player to get himself out there.

 

[Hamm.0]

I do like Hammos idea of the player selling himself to the local businesses but I reckon it would be better for the clubs to do it for them. They could be a central point of contact for businesses wanting to get in touch with the player and for the player to get himself out there.

Unfortunatly, that is when it becomes a Third Party Deal, and must be claimed on the Salary Cap. If the player approaches companies themselves, it is ok. Much like Steve Price and his dog food venture.



Ahhhh Steve. Is there nothing you can't teach us? <3 <3

 

[Fozz]

Unfortunatly, that is when it becomes a Third Party Deal, and must be claimed on the Salary Cap. If the player approaches companies themselves, it is ok. Much like Steve Price and his dog food venture.

Hmm, yeah. I would scrap the third party deals coming under the salary cap restriction and replace it with an NRL review to ensure it is a genuine offer not a club greasing the wheels to buy a player. I don't see why Gasiner and co (using the Draq Queens for example) should be allowed to get third party deals while guys like Morris and Nightingale can't.

 

[Browny]

Isnt Petro's manager his missus?

 

[bianc]

I hope not. I will then blame her for taking him away from us [icon_wink

 

[Hamm.0]

Maybe now, but certainly not when the Broncos **** up happened. I heard he sacked that manager when he arrived in Penrith.

 

[mick]

Because most NRL players are deadshits for one. And contracts have a lot of legal junk in them. The player managers can also take the time required, and take on board the stress that the players don't need during the season.

The managers also know how the clubs operate, and would generally know how to negotiate far better than a player.

Pretty much spot-on, and of course most footballers aren't the brightest of sparks!

Basically, it's not like footballers are all under an EBA with the same conditions. They are pretty intense and thorough legal documents. Player managers (accredited ones) have the knowledge to ensure that the players aren't getting ripped off. Also good to have someone to represent you on any number of occasions.

 

[Nashy]

Especially if you do something stupid. I don't know, assult someone, or glass your girlfriend... those sorts of things.

 

[mick]

Especially if you do something stupid. I don't know, assult someone, or glass your girlfriend... those sorts of things.

Or even just a modification of your working conditions, if management/the coach isn't treating you fairly, if there's some sort of dispute or workplace complaint... there's a whole host of reasons really.

 

[Kimlo]

For all sorts of reasons, a manager could negotiate a better deal, and MORE FREE TIME which is what everyone wants!