Referees, MRC and Judiciary

Sirlee oldman

Sirlee oldman

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Just for a change from bashing our players I thought we could have a go at the officials instead. Their poor performance is the biggest problem facing the game today. It's unacceptable that people whose job is to ensure a fair contest should so often unfairly influence the result.

I would like to think that they aren't actually biased or corrupt and simply saying they are incompetent isn't very helpful so where are they going wrong. To me it seems to boil down to two major systemic problems.

1. They don't make the best use of the resources they have.

2. They are over complicating the rules.

The incident where Roberts kicked the player on the ground really highlights the first point. A lot was said about the inability of the bunker to go back to that point and that is certainly worth discussing but there's more to it than that. Roberts was very clumsily trying to draw attention to the player and get a penalty but it was never going to work because the referees weren't watching the ruck. So what were they looking at?

There were also many times when the ball was lost by the player getting up to play the ball. Sometimes they dropped it and sometimes it was raked but on many occasions the referee simply got the call wrong. It's as though they weren't really focused on the ruck. The only thing I can think of that they might have been looking at is whether the teams are on side. Anyone who goes to games knows that teams creep up off side a lot too without getting penalised so it seems obvious that referees are looking at the wrong place at the wrong time.

A simple solution would be to use the touch judges to police the off side rule and incidents in back play and let the referees focus on the ruck. At the moment touch judges only real job seems to be indicating where a ball crosses the line. Even when someone steps on the line the bunker checks it. Give them something real to do!

The second point was really highlighted by the ridiculous call in the Origin game when the player was deemed to be inside the ten but passive. Any player running through is a distraction for the defence and therefore not passive but the real question is why change the rule? What was wrong with the way it was?

Shoulder charges were another bone of contention this year. We all know a shoulder charge when we see one so why do they need to measure the angle of separation of the arm? Either the guy was trying to make a legitimate tackle or he wasn't.

The cause of these attempts to define things to such a silly degree is that when a player is cited the league knows they will bring a barrister to the hearing. If a normal person gets called into the bosses office after a stuff up at work they don't take a barrister and nor should footballers. If they were banned we would never again have decisions like the one earlier this year when Oates was knocked rotten by a Warriors player who then got off because a barrister convinced the judiciary that because it was a two man tackle his client couldn't put his arms around him.

Would love to hear your thoughts.
 
Good topic to open up.

On the use of touchies. I feel everyone is always screaming about how do decisions get missed with so many officials out there, but I feel the main ref and vid ref are the only ones making decisions out there.

In the NFL they have officials everywhere and they have defined roles and I don't see why the touchies can't be given more responsibilities. Why is it up to the two main officials to call on plays down the blind side when the touchies clearly have the best view of it.

Also why is the main ref able to over rule a ruck penalty if the 2nd ref calls it. If that is their area and their responsibility let them wear the responsibility of the call.
 
I agree the last couple of years at least the refs have made some absolute howlers. One of the problems is Maxwell doesn't even make them accountable, he defends them and says they got it right no matter how obvious it is. I don't think the refs themselves are biased or corrupt but the MRC and judiciary seem to be closer to that line. Amazing that every player who touches a ref this year gets charged except Smith, Thurston and Hayne and also shoulder charges have been getting a charge and ban all year until Ennis and Wighton both get away with obvious ones right before the prelims which would both normally attract grade 2 charges. Something definitely stinks, hopefully the refs come up with something to improve their performances because it sucks watching games decided by shitty calls.
 
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If you guys are asking for 80 minutes of mistake free referring that will never happen. Referres are human beings not ccomputers and we have to accept human error is a part of sport and will always be. There were referring mistakes in 1908 and there will be plenty more in the future. I watch other sports and there are shocking decisions in every sport in the world.

I would like it if Referres in the NRL though were more like Bill Harrigan. When I watch old games and from how I remember him he referred with authority and we had better controlled games as a result.
 
If you guys are asking for 80 minutes of mistake free referring that will never happen. Referres are human beings not ccomputers and we have to accept human error is a part of sport and will always be. There were referring mistakes in 1908 and there will be plenty more in the future. I watch other sports and there are shocking decisions in every sport in the world.

I would like it if Referres in the NRL though were more like Bill Harrigan. When I watch old games and from how I remember him he referred with authority and we had better controlled games as a result.
I'm not expecting perfection. I simply want to reduce avoidable errors and don't see why we should settle for the crap we have been served up in recent seasons.
 
A simple solution would be to use the touch judges to police the off side rule and incidents in back play and let the referees focus on the ruck. At the moment touch judges only real job seems to be indicating where a ball crosses the line. Even when someone steps on the line the bunker checks it. Give them something real to do!

The touchies already keep the 10m so they should be able to call offsides.

the touchies being in line with the 10m instead of the ball is also the reason they aren't in a position to call forward passes and why so many are now missed.

with 2 refs on the field, one should be controlling the ruck and one should be marking the 10 and monitoring for offsides. this would then allow the touchies to be in line with the ball ready to call forward passes.

The second point was really highlighted by the ridiculous call in the Origin game when the player was deemed to be inside the ten but passive. Any player running through is a distraction for the defence and therefore not passive but the real question is why change the rule? What was wrong with the way it was?

The rule was never changed. in fact the first time 'passive offside' was ever sighted in the NRL was when they used it to allow a try for NSW in origin, but even using passive offside the NSW try should never have been allowed, as contesting and chasing the ball is clearly being involved in the play.

there have been calls for a passive offside rule to be implemented (similar to soccer) but they never have.


Shoulder charges were another bone of contention this year. We all know a shoulder charge when we see one so why do they need to measure the angle of separation of the arm? Either the guy was trying to make a legitimate tackle or he wasn't.

Just another case of over-complicating something that doesn't need to be complicated. another way for the judiciary to let players off who they want to let off.
 
If you guys are asking for 80 minutes of mistake free referring that will never happen. Referres are human beings not ccomputers and we have to accept human error is a part of sport and will always be. There were referring mistakes in 1908 and there will be plenty more in the future. I watch other sports and there are shocking decisions in every sport in the world.

I would like it if Referres in the NRL though were more like Bill Harrigan. When I watch old games and from how I remember him he referred with authority and we had better controlled games as a result.

I'm not calling for 80mins of perfect officiating but I am calling for definition of roles and accountability.
 
If you guys are asking for 80 minutes of mistake free referring that will never happen. Referres are human beings not ccomputers and we have to accept human error is a part of sport and will always be. There were referring mistakes in 1908 and there will be plenty more in the future. I watch other sports and there are shocking decisions in every sport in the world.

I would like it if Referres in the NRL though were more like Bill Harrigan. When I watch old games and from how I remember him he referred with authority and we had better controlled games as a result.

No one is expecting 80 minutes of no mistakes.

However, the amount of howlers that happen these days is completely ridiculous. Human error shouldn't even be a factor in these situations with the amount of technology at their disposal.

It shows the people currently in the job are either not competent enough to do their job, or there is blatant corruption going on.
 
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I'd like to see a 3-5 year moratorium on rule changes and interpretation shifts. Refereeing is a skill. Skills get better through repetition. Screwing around with the rules because we think we've discovered the magic bullet for a perfect game is counterproductive.
 
I'd like to see a 3-5 year moratorium on rule changes and interpretation shifts. Refereeing is a skill. Skills get better through repetition. Screwing around with the rules because we think we've discovered the magic bullet for a perfect game is counterproductive.

This idea is far too logical for the NRL to employ.
 
An organised pre-season comp like the NAB Cup to test rule changes out would be great.

Instead of fucking over 3 of the top teams by sending them to England every year.
 
An organised pre-season comp like the NAB Cup to test rule changes out would be great.

Instead of fucking over 3 of the top teams by sending them to England every year.

Isnt that what the all stars game and nines are for?
 
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