Renouf demands audit of 'anti-Wayne' Broncos

[1910]

It was the same lines being thrown up then that are being thrown up now, coach is too close to players to make the tough call, emerging talent isn't kicking on as they should be, support staff aren't good enough, players aren't being pushed hard enough and standards have slipped. Wayne saw the writing on the wall after yet another post-origin slump and he went out and got himself another gig at the roosters, then things turned and the rest is history. Whenever a side is unsuccessful the same people with the same laundry list of problems come out, and most of the time the club responds the same way, hook will get a boosted and restructured support staff and 2014 to turn things around or he will be gone.

That's not right because the sacking of those other support staff wasn't to do with the club- Bennett employed his own staff so he could change as he pleased.

Hook got new staff at the end of last year but doesn't have his own staff like Bennett did.


The comparison isn't the same.

 

[Russell Coight]

That's not right because the sacking of those other support staff wasn't to do with the club- Bennett employed his own staff so he could change as he pleased.

Hook got new staff at the end of last year but doesn't have his own staff like Bennett did.


The comparison isn't the same.

You sure you're not just from the Broncos PR department?

 

[nopatience101]

That's not right because the sacking of those other support staff wasn't to do with the club- Bennett employed his own staff so he could change as he pleased.

Hook got new staff at the end of last year but doesn't have his own staff like Bennett did.


The comparison isn't the same.

I fail to see how that invalidates my general point that the majority of whats been said has been said before about the club?

 

[Renegade]

I'm not sure I get the "new staff" argument.

Sure, a coach shouldn't be expected to oversee absolutely every part of training, that's why you have fitness coordinators/high performance dudes, whatever you want to call it, but how many coaches does he need to surround himself with? If he gets himself a skills coach, an attack coach, a defensive coach ... what does Griffin actually do apart from mumble and mollycoddle the boys? it's surely not tactics because we've seen the extent of his ability there... I also doubt the "man manager" bs that is sprouted because usually, someone who is a good man manager gets the best out of players, I think it's clear to see that many players have gone backwards under Griffin in terms of ability so for the players to be saying this, it's obvious they think their spot is safe with him in charge. That is not the mark of someone who is a good man manager. I personally think we're making every excuse under the sun for Griffin when the results speak for themselves. I highly doubt Griffin was not in the loop when the current coaches we have were hired.

on a personal side note, I love Renouf, he was my first footballing idol and an absolute gentlemen when I met him, he can say whatever the hell he likes.

 

[Broncs1459]

I know that the players size is mentioned a lot on here. I have always wondered if that was Hook's plan or not. NRL teams have strength and conditioning specialists who would deal with that. I know that Dan Baker is very well renowned.

 

[FaithinHook]

Hi guys

A long-time lurker of various rugby forums over the years, BUT, unfortunately I've found so many of these forums don't always deliver on what they promise in the fine print. What I have found so far with BHQ though is entirely different and, importantly, diversity of opinion seems TO be highly valued.

Anyways, back to the point at hand. Guys I find it completely discouraging and even alarming at how the mood in here amongst subscribers has deteriorated to such a point that we are not only turning on each other, but also on a club legend such as Steve Renouf. Poor Barry Maranta must be turning in his grave watching this all unfold :(

 

[broncos4life]

Hi guys

A long-time lurker of various rugby forums over the years, BUT, unfortunately I've found so many of these forums don't always deliver on what they promise in the fine print. What I have found so far with BHQ though is entirely different and, importantly, diversity of opinion seems TO be highly valued.

Anyways, back to the point at hand. Guys I find it completely discouraging and even alarming at how the mood in here amongst subscribers has deteriorated to such a point that we are not only turning on each other, but also on a club legend such as Steve Renouf. Poor Barry Maranta must be turning in his grave watching this all unfold :(

I thought you had died. good to SEE you're still kicking

 

[bb_gun]

Hi guys

A long-time lurker of various rugby forums over the years, BUT, unfortunately I've found so many of these forums don't always deliver on what they promise in the fine print. What I have found so far with BHQ though is entirely different and, importantly, diversity of opinion seems TO be highly valued.

Anyways, back to the point at hand. Guys I find it completely discouraging and even alarming at how the mood in here amongst subscribers has deteriorated to such a point that we are not only turning on each other, but also on a club legend such as Steve Renouf. Poor Barry Maranta must be turning in his grave watching this all unfold :(

Hello stranger, welcome back.

 

[Huge]

G'day again Coach. Look, we are unhappy but you have to take responsibility for your team mate. It's your fault we missed the semis. It seems like you've got no idea but you can impersonate a coach. You must have gone to elocution school, you imitate WBs voice so well but you just didn't pick up his plan for a footy team. He always had a couple big gorillas, something we've been missing for years. Hannants our big guy and ffs, he doesn't even swear. Where's our Lazarus our Webcke our Gee our Jed ? We've got no intimidation, virtually no flair and our 5/8 was a turnstile. We are unfit as our late game fade outs testify to. It's your fault Anthony. I think you should do the honourable thing and resign, no not re sign.

 

[Manbush]

Funny players coming out criticising how the club is run when I was rubbished for suggesting some ex Broncos hate how the club is run only a week ago

 

[Nashy]

Funny players coming out criticising how the club is run when I was rubbished for suggesting some ex Broncos hate how the club is run only a week ago

I dunno if you were rubbished mate.

 

[1910]

Funny players coming out criticising how the club is run when I was rubbished for suggesting some ex Broncos hate how the club is run only a week ago

That's not what you said.

 

[1910]

I fail to see how that invalidates my general point that the majority of whats been said has been said before about the club?

It doesn't obviously and that's why I didn't say it.

I said your comparison to the situation in '05 was wrong and has no relevance.

 

[Anonymous person]

The last 5 years has been a litany of failures and underachievement coupled to delusional coaches making ridiculous claims. Claims like 'we have a plan so get on board'.

I wouldn't say that. 2011 was the best broncos regular season in a decade or more, and we finished 1 match short of the grand final. He Lockyer not gone down, we were a huge chance of winning the premiership.

 

[Anonymous person]

(like poorly thought out recruitment decisions - Prince but at the cost of Norman and Wallace)

You mean best recruitment decision ever, right?

 

[Huge]

I wouldn't say that. 2011 was the best broncos regular season in a decade or more, and we finished 1 match short of the grand final. He Lockyer not gone down, we were a huge chance of winning the premiership.

True, you did say regular season but 2006 was better, you know the GF thing sorta gives it the edge over 2011. If we compare the last five years with the preceding five.....how many times did we make the semis, 100% compared to 60%. Mmmmm,still if you like failing then the Broncos have been a resounding success !

 

[hidethesuspect]

I've never changed my opinion nor have I seen anything that has even swayed it a little. It's not because I'm stubborn either. My opinion when they announced the removal of WB ( it was never truly voluntary ) was that the Broncos of old were dead. Each year the players changed but the one constant was WB and his values. He brought a standard along with his coaching abilities and that standard suffered an inexorable decline with his departure. Renouf is correct, we need fresh eyes and he asks for that because he knows the inferiors who've tried to fill the void left by WB do not wish to be contrasted against the legend.

A shockingly poor decision to replace, at that time the worlds best coach, with a complete novice guaranteed a slide yet amazingly when I pointed that out I was attacked. I remember writing I wanted to be wrong about the outcome but sadly, only the most pig headed would still claim the decision was the correct one. We need WB back even as an overseer but I'd hand him the coaches hat if he wished. Bring back the boring, I like semi final time !

I agree with some of your arguments. Let me pick them apart if I may while sitting in my Italian leather armchair, smoking my Cuban and sipping on 30 year old scotch.

I agree that Wayne Bennet had good values and he definitely managed his players well (emotionally). Our standards and values declined when he left. We do need fresh eyes. However Wayne should be nowhere near the head coaching role. His style of play and his game plan is so out dated and no longer works. We need someone like Bellamy who is always pushing the boundaries and develops players skills and weaknesses individually as well as a team. Bennet cannot do that.

Call me pig-headed but he needed to be let go. I don't want to just make it to semi finals, I want to win. If we go in thinking getting into the semis is a win then we will never win another premiership. Getting into the semis achieves nothing and cannot be a measure of how well the team is going. One premiership in how many years now?

 

[Huge]

I agree with some of your arguments. Let me pick them apart if I may while sitting in my Italian leather armchair, smoking my Cuban and sipping on 30 year old scotch.

I agree that Wayne Bennet had good values and he definitely managed his players well (emotionally). Our standards and values declined when he left. We do need fresh eyes. However Wayne should be nowhere near the head coaching role. His style of play and his game plan is so out dated and no longer works. We need someone like Bellamy who is always pushing the boundaries and develops players skills and weaknesses individually as well as a team. Bennet cannot do that.

Call me pig-headed but he needed to be let go. I don't want to just make it to semi finals, I want to win. If we go in thinking getting into the semis is a win then we will never win another premiership. Getting into the semis achieves nothing and cannot be a measure of how well the team is going. One premiership in how many years now?

Thank you for the response . Starting from the last I'll assume you meant that anything less than the win in the GF is considered unacceptable. As you say, getting into the semis achieves nothing. I would argue that without having made the semi a GF appearance is highly unlikely. We have made the semis 3 times in the past 5 years and of course without a GF win, the only thing that counts ! Call me presumptuous but according to your belief as stated " I don't want to just make it to the semi finals,I want to win " all teams who fail to win in the semis are therefore losers. To finish first, first you must finish.

To my way of thinking we were already getting over the first hurdle, namely making the semis. I accept we may have needed more help to take the next step to GF glory but removing Bennett was counterproductive . No sane person could argue we have improved since his removal. He was removed in order for us to improve, it could hardly be for the opposite reason now could it ? So, on that simple scale it has been a monumental failure, a complete and utter catastrophe with our club in a serious state of disarray .

Whatever game plan WB has it must be better than ours, his team belted us on our home ground when we had it all to play for ! If WBs is so outdated why is it delivering semi final football for less glamorous clubs ?