Culhwch
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And yeah, I understand that, that was kind of my whole point.
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And yeah, I understand that, that was kind of my whole point.
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I'm not sure if you're taking the piss or not tbh.
If trying to ruck it down the middle of the ruck is not working, due to slow play the ball and rushing defence, a prop taking a run or 2 wider, avoiding the middles, and getting a quicker play the ball, making more metres, allows the next run to be taken behind the markers.
You don't think JFH, AFB, JWH, Leota, etc etc ever run over halves?
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At least one I can remember from Payne running it wide on the left, offload to back-rower, then pass to either winger or centre (can't remember which) to score.
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Correct, if you're not working over the middles, they've got way more energy to punish you in attack.
Panthers are testament to how critical this process is to the grind.
Culhwch
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Which is what Haas does on the vast majority of his runs. Unless there's stats/film to show he's bouncing outside more often than not, that I'm not aware of...?
And if we're still somehow cherry picking this one run that gained 30 or 40 metres and saying that it's a bad thing to do because of a +/- calculation in the opposition's energy levels, what's the greater net loss of energy here: two or three players making a single tackle on the inside, or the whole pack having to dash back forty metres to get onside for the next play the ball? The failure here is not Haas's run - making metres is his job, and he did that. The failure is in the halves not working off that platform to terrorise an already retreating defense.
And if we're still somehow cherry picking this one run that gained 30 or 40 metres and saying that it's a bad thing to do because of a +/- calculation in the opposition's energy levels, what's the greater net loss of energy here: two or three players making a single tackle on the inside, or the whole pack having to dash back forty metres to get onside for the next play the ball? The failure here is not Haas's run - making metres is his job, and he did that. The failure is in the halves not working off that platform to terrorise an already retreating defense.
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Of all the things going wrong atm we're worried about Haas utilising a way to make extra metres and pretending that Penrith props only run train lines down the middle?
It hasn't even taken much 'looking' but here's some highlight thing foxNRL did in 23 for JFH. 35 seconds in, in back-to-back clips he is running at Reynolds then Hughes... halfbacks, and shock horror, it's not in the middle of the field. What's he doing out there?
Nobody is even suggesting Haas should do this all the time either, just that hey, it sometimes worked, and did on the weekend too, if he had support, we probably would have scored. Ignoring a way to make metres just because he is a prop and not a backrower is ludicrous. Yeah, the backrowers should do it too, but no reason Haas shouldn't just because he is a prop ffs.
It hasn't even taken much 'looking' but here's some highlight thing foxNRL did in 23 for JFH. 35 seconds in, in back-to-back clips he is running at Reynolds then Hughes... halfbacks, and shock horror, it's not in the middle of the field. What's he doing out there?
Nobody is even suggesting Haas should do this all the time either, just that hey, it sometimes worked, and did on the weekend too, if he had support, we probably would have scored. Ignoring a way to make metres just because he is a prop and not a backrower is ludicrous. Yeah, the backrowers should do it too, but no reason Haas shouldn't just because he is a prop ffs.
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Yep. We pretty much butchered a try after that Haas breakaway. Can't remember what exactly happened the tackle after but remember them passing out to the other side and not coming up with a result.
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Dragons game I’m pretty sure it was a year or two back where we behind and Payne’s minutes were managed better to give him the last 15 to come on and run through them, which he did and we won
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What happened is that no one but Staggs backed him up and then they didn't spread the ball.
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That's not how metres made works either. Jeez, you're lucky Broncsgoat has returned.
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That's mental.
Culhwch
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Nah, can't do that that. Your prop can only move in a straight line. The winger can move in an L shape, halves can only move diagonally, and the queen can move in any direction as long as there isn't another piece in the way.
No, wait. I'm thinking of chess again.
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Tru dat....but
it's usually backrowers running at halves...traditionally.
Traditionally front rowers aren't like Haas. More Marty Bella than Payne. Traditionally they weren't equipped like Haas and had no real other choice than to....hit it up the middle.
Payne and other front rowers now have pace, a swerve....a step....and there's no reason not to use that to your advantage anyway you can.
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Not to take away from your point, which is excellent and I agree with it, but haas did have support in staggs, haas just tried to run over gutho and didn't pass it to him
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After the haas break, staggs in dummy half, lazily passed it to reyno, who lazily passed it to hunt, who ambled around like the calmest headless chook you'll ever see, then he hospital passed it to someone and the play died
