PRE-GAME Round 5 - Rabbitohs vs Broncos

[Jason Simmons]

Actually, a 7 tackle set is absolutely nothing much these days when teams regularly defend against 7, 8, 9, 10 tackle sets with six agains. A kick dead is very useful. Set defensive line and a break to slow things down. We should use the tactic a hell of a lot more. Kick for 'in goal', if it goes dead, no big deal.

Was that when they scored immediately after Isaako booted the shit out of it and got them the first 7 tackle set in the game?

Yeah, very “useful”. Just not for our team...

 

[Foordy]

Up until last night.

in that case we better try and find 16 new players somewhere before the Souths game, because Mead certainly had plenty of company last night

 

[Huge]

Was that when they scored immediately after Isaako booted the shit out of it and got them the first 7 tackle set in the game?

Yeah, very “useful”. Just not for our team...

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Isaako wasn't responsible for the 40 points and his kick was no more important or pivotal as earlier events.

 

[Sproj]

in that case we better try and find 16 new players somewhere before the Souths game, because Mead certainly had plenty of company last night

The thing that really irks me about this side is the amount of laziness. Very few players support and almost no one puts in a second effort or is even willing to run a decoy. There is a huge issue with tackle technique as well, we barely ever cut guys down and/or wrap up the ball. And most frustratingly for me, we are constantly caught short everywhere because players are too lazy/fatigued/stupid to put in another effort and track the play. Like as soon as the play goes right to left (or vice versa), the players just stop and watch, its amateur stuff.

 

[Morkel]

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Isaako wasn't responsible for the 40 points and his kick was no more important or pivotal as earlier events.

Next time you're in your Qantas lounge or whatever, rubbing shoulders with all these people, I want you to share this tactic of yours that you keep banging on about. They'll laugh in your face with how ridiculous it is. You just don't seem to have done the maths. In fact there was a play (I think it was the Thursday game) where a team did exactly what you have suggested. I don't think they did it deliberately, they were just slow getting to the play and decided to set themselves up before they played the ball. As per your suggestion, they had their guys lined up either side, ready for the run but no one obvious as the intended carrier. Ball gets played, hooker passes to the forward running at full pace. Boom, the defence was already on them, smashed them and dragged them back to behind where the ball was played. You see, the defence gets to go when the ball has "cleared the ruck", which I believe I read is when the person playing the ball touches it with their foot. So the ball still has to be collected by the dummy-half, who has to go through the passing motion, throw the ball backwards, remember, it then goes through the air and has to be taken by the runner, so by the time the runner has even made it to the advantage line, the defenders have already had a head-start and are in their face. It just doesn't work how you think it would.

 

[Skathen]

Was that when they scored immediately after Isaako booted the shit out of it and got them the first 7 tackle set in the game?

Yeah, very “useful”. Just not for our team...

Actually... why was he even put in that position? Oh that's right Milf ran it and passed to him on the last with everyone fully marked up and right near the sideline with no where to go.....

That's not a blight so much on Isaako but the horrid last tackle option selected by our 5/8th immediately before it. Last time I checked Isaako wasn't our last tackle play maker?

 

[Broncapz]

We make 30-40m per set.
Other teams make 50-60m per set.

This creates tiredness which creates laziness which perpetuates the initial cycle of giving up extra m per set.

Need to win the meter game against ANY team for once. Even Canturbury were making metres at will.

 

[holdzy]

Actually... why was he even put in that position? Oh that's right Milf ran it and passed to him on the last with everyone fully marked up and right near the sideline with no where to go.....

That's not a blight so much on Isaako but the horrid last tackle option selected by our 5/8th immediately before it. Last time I checked Isaako wasn't our last tackle play maker?

Sometimes wingers or fullbacks that should be wingers end up with the ball on the last tackle. Happens nearly every game - they often manage better kicks.

He should have kicked towards the posts.

 

[Huge]

Next time you're in your Qantas lounge or whatever, rubbing shoulders with all these people, I want you to share this tactic of yours that you keep banging on about. They'll laugh in your face with how ridiculous it is. You just don't seem to have done the maths. In fact there was a play (I think it was the Thursday game) where a team did exactly what you have suggested. I don't think they did it deliberately, they were just slow getting to the play and decided to set themselves up before they played the ball. As per your suggestion, they had their guys lined up either side, ready for the run but no one obvious as the intended carrier. Ball gets played, hooker passes to the forward running at full pace. Boom, the defence was already on them, smashed them and dragged them back to behind where the ball was played. You see, the defence gets to go when the ball has "cleared the ruck", which I believe I read is when the person playing the ball touches it with their foot. So the ball still has to be collected by the dummy-half, who has to go through the passing motion, throw the ball backwards, remember, it then goes through the air and has to be taken by the runner, so by the time the runner has even made it to the advantage line, the defenders have already had a head-start and are in their face. It just doesn't work how you think it would.

Last to first. According to you. Based on a classic strawman description. Your timings are rubbish. Not even Usain Bolt can spring 10 + metres from a standing start which is essentially what you're suggesting.

Taking time away from a team on a hot streak consequently means less time to continue to run in tries. Simple math shows that if we double(or more) the time we have with the ball we are deducting time from the superstar team.

You have your reason, your mindset is fixed, I don't believe you've actually thought through what I'm suggesting. We don't have the offensive flair of the top teams but we could bring back to us. There's quite a few benefits from a slower, less frantic approach when averaged over a match and it's a technique we could use on our side of halfway.

 

[BroncsFan]

The thing that really irks me about this side is the amount of laziness. Very few players support and almost no one puts in a second effort or is even willing to run a decoy. There is a huge issue with tackle technique as well, we barely ever cut guys down and/or wrap up the ball. And most frustratingly for me, we are constantly caught short everywhere because players are too lazy/fatigued/stupid to put in another effort and track the play. Like as soon as the play goes right to left (or vice versa), the players just stop and watch, its amateur stuff.

The players are just so dumb in a football sense.

We had back to back plays where Dearden passed into Riki (because he fucked up his decoy line) and Milf had to pass behind Glenn (because he ran far too early on the play).

You could hear someone through the mic yelling "for **** sake" on the Glenn run, because it was back to back plays and on the top of soooo many other sloppy rookie plays.

It's like these pricks just cant do the basics.... we are soooo far behind even an average team just because of how inept our players are.

They are big, fast and strong, but they're fucking dumb in a footy sense.

It's why we desperately need ISC. We need these guys to be able to learn how to play the fucking game. It's why these guys need good experienced players around them, because they dont know what the **** they're doing out there

 

[Jason Simmons]

Actually... why was he even put in that position? Oh that's right Milf ran it and passed to him on the last with everyone fully marked up and right near the sideline with no where to go.....

That's not a blight so much on Isaako but the horrid last tackle option selected by our 5/8th immediately before it. Last time I checked Isaako wasn't our last tackle play maker?

Nothing wrong with a fullback chiming into the backline and putting in an attacking kick. Plenty of quality ones do.

It’s just he completely stuffed the execution of it, as almost always happens when it involves him doing anything other than running and not passing. It was the major turning point in the game. They scored on their 7 tackle set and then ran in 4 tries in 11 minutes and that was the game.

He isn’t alone, our “playmakers” stuff our plays almost every set. But it is yet another problem that needs addressing.

 

[Jason Simmons]

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. Isaako wasn't responsible for the 40 points and his kick was no more important or pivotal as earlier events.

Incorrect. They opened their scoring because of the 7 tackle set they gained after that error. Gave them momentum when we had it previously and as we’ve seen 20 odd times over the last 12 months, the minute we lose momentum, that’s the game for us...

 

[Sproj]

Carrigan being out is a good result for our side, he's been horrible to start the season, needs a break clearly. I fear he is burned out after having to captain through that train wreck last year poor guy.

Any excuse to do another team list:

1. Farnworth
2. Coates
3. Copley
4. Niu
5. Mead
6. Dearden
7. Croft
8. Haas
9. Turpin
10. Lodge (c)
11. Riki
12. Pangai Jr
13. Asiata/McGuire

14. Segeyaro/Paix
15. Kennedy
16. Flegler/Bullemor
17. Teo

 

[Bull Shark]

Well, this will be me at approximately 7:48pm next Thursday night...

 

[Skathen]

Nothing wrong with a fullback chiming into the backline and putting in an attacking kick. Plenty of quality ones do.

It’s just he completely stuffed the execution of it, as almost always happens when it involves him doing anything other than running and not passing. It was the major turning point in the game. They scored on their 7 tackle set and then ran in 4 tries in 11 minutes and that was the game.

He isn’t alone, our “playmakers” stuff our plays almost every set. But it is yet another problem that needs addressing.

While true some fullbacks kick on the last, this is usually not a last ditch improvisation after your 5/8th ran the ball and pull you in a crap spot. Also not making the accusation that he's a quality fullback. Just that the 5/8th is fundamentally the root cause of that seven tackle set through making the dead set wrong play and putting people around him into a stupid position, fully marked up and yes, Isaako could have done better.... but if Milf had moved play right instead of left where they were marked up and pressing up quickly who knows.... maybe Milf can't count?

 

[Mustafur]

I think sooner or later we need to try Herbie at fullback, such a sponge for talent worth a shot to see what he can do, straight swap for isaako atleast.

He is easily our most consistent outside back as well as having the highest ceiling potential wise without doubt will be one of the games best in a few years.

Such a unit, wait till he grows into his big frame he will be better then Manu.

 

[scobie]

I think sooner or later we need to try Herbie at fullback, such a sponge for talent worth a shot to see what he can do, straight swap for isaako atleast.

He is easily our most consistent outside back as well as having the highest ceiling potential wise without doubt will be one of the games best in a few years.

Such a unit, wait till he grows into his big frame he will be better then Manu.

Agree. But wouldn't take him from centre just yet. When Staggs is back, I think he deserves a shot.

 

[Donald Garner]

Did walker get charged?