POST GAME Round 5 - Rabbitohs vs Broncos

Jason Simmons

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Apr 18, 2013
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Anyone care to summarize Kevvie's presser?
He is taking important knowledge out of this game. I believe him, because he said the word knowledge about ten times...

He isn’t worried about signings, or who will be in the team next year, he is worried about next week. Isn’t a fan of shuffling players, despite having shuffled our halves and front rowers all season, apart from Milford... Speaking of Milford, he was very happy with Milford. That was his best game this year, according to Kevvie...

He clearly needs help. He looks extremely clueless so far. No idea how to turn things around, or even incrementally improve by the looks of things.
 
Sep 27, 2020
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Can I just ask - if nobody thinks Milf can run the game and should just run or whatever, why isn't Wunderkind Dearden taking the 5th tackle option?

I understand the disparity in wage, but we were told it was Croft's team to organise, and now Dearden, yet Milf has to do all the 5th tackle options and gets lambasted for fucking the thing up that people dont want him to be doing. I just dont get it.
Maybe Dearden should be taking more of the kicking on. You would need to talk to Kevvie about that but you have to admit Milford's last tackle options are just poor. Also it's not a wage disparity but an experience one as with the amount of games Milford has played he should be all over the last tackle option but unfortunately he's not. I don't know who we replace Milford with but at this stage Milford is so out of form it's affecting the whole team.
 

BroncsFan

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The 2020/2021 Warriors say hello
7 losses out of 10 away games in 2020... they were based on the central coast for the year, but I am specifically talking about the bubble restrictions placed on away teams.

They had to travel to Shitney or Qld on game day each week and their only away wins came against tigers, manly and dogs
 

broncsgoat

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Maybe Dearden should be taking more of the kicking on. You would need to talk to Kevvie about that but you have to admit Milford's last tackle options are just poor. Also it's not a wage disparity but an experience one as with the amount of games Milford has played he should be all over the last tackle option but unfortunately he's not. I don't know who we replace Milford with but at this stage Milford is so out of form it's affecting the whole team.
Milf has been terrible but is that the cause of the team being trash or a result of the team being trash?
 
Nov 7, 2020
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Xavier Coates - 12 runs for 68 metres. That is 5.6 metres per run.

Every single time he takes a run out of our own end he gets driven back and completely kills our momentum. I don't particularly care how fast he is or how tall he is, he fucking sucks to be honest.
Don't worry he will be gone at years end. Where were the forwards to take the hard carries out of defence and exactly how many passes did the wingers get at the end of a backline play.
 

Tera

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Xavier Coates - 12 runs for 68 metres. That is 5.6 metres per run.

Every single time he takes a run out of our own end he gets driven back and completely kills our momentum. I don't particularly care how fast he is or how tall he is, he fucking sucks to be honest.
SOS Daniel Vidot.
 

007

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Sep 22, 2016
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I swear it was stated that Croft would run the team. I could be wrong on that though.

anyway I don’t want to sound like I’m making excuses for milf, but he’s expected to do everything and hears externally that he needs to a) run the ball more and b) take control of the side. I think he’s confused at what to do and it’s just making him play like pus.

The amount of shit he’s getting in the media is fucking shameful the **** will probably have a nervous breakdown
Rugby league is not rocket science. The game has moved on from what Milf can provide. Hes not forward thinking any of the game, hes unable to manipulate any opposition anymore. When he does get the ball he forces options that dont exist or he hasnt set the team up for. If hes not capable of being 6/7, then adios amigo. He wont cut it as a fullback and is pointless on the bench. What he was good at 5 years ago, was a far different game to now. He cant follow plays or momentum, its a tragic train wreck but literally the game has passed him by and he has not evolved.
 

I bleed Maroon

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Apr 17, 2013
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I wouldn't get why anyone is surprised we're 1-4. We discussed this stuff ad nauseum all off season, especially after our dogshit draw was unveiled. It doesn't matter if the coach is Kevin Walters, Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy; when you're dealing with a roster that is almost universally as trash as this, it doesn't matter who the coach is, you're going to lose footy games. There are legit....4 players out of the current 17 that I would be fighting to keep: Haas and TPJ in the forwards and Farnworth and Staggs in each of the centre positions. 4 out of 17. The rest can find the nearest canoe and paddle as far out to sea as they dare go as far as I'm concerned. Even blind freddy can see where this clubs main problem is, and it is frankly staggering that the people responsible for it are still on our payroll, and I wonder if I haven't clued in to this doom and gloom that Smokin' Joe Smokin' Joe has been eluding to.

Even when some of these dud contracts are finally off our books, the likes of Peter Nolan are going to be the ones responsible for filling those positions again, and I wouldn't trust the nuff nuffs currently running our recruitment and retention with a lemonade stand. The front office needs a cleanout before we even start thinking about the top 17, and there are some certified shit kickers within that front office that seem to have some powerful friends in high places no matter how much damage they do.
 

Mustafur

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Our defence tonight was doing exactly what we did last year, bunch up on one side and not slide to even it out after a tackle/play the ball, our edges had no hope in hell half the time of defending that nonsense.

What the **** has become of this team seriously.

Can I just ask - if nobody thinks Milf can run the game and should just run or whatever, why isn't Wunderkind Dearden taking the 5th tackle option?

I understand the disparity in wage, but we were told it was Croft's team to organise, and now Dearden, yet Milf has to do all the 5th tackle options and gets lambasted for fucking the thing up that people dont want him to be doing. I just dont get it.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out Milford has been told to be the primary kicker, not like Dearden is in control of where the dummy half passes to. He is out strongest kicker, but **** man the guy is dumber then Barney Gumble, decision making skills obviously not high on the agenda in that head of his.
 

007

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Sep 22, 2016
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Our defence tonight was doing exactly what we did last year, bunch up on one side and not slide to even it out after a tackle/play the ball, our edges had no hope in hell half the time of defending that nonsense.

What the **** has become of this team seriously.
Thats a fullback and captaincy issue. Both should be the most vocal leaders in defence. One in the line pushing and shuffling the tired guys around and orders from the back being barked based on the opposition and being able to read their play and potential problems.
 

Galah

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Mar 28, 2019
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You can’t win shit without a superstar fb in the modern game. panthers are a bit different as they have so much class across the park. We need a fb so bad. I don’t like isaako but this isn’t a dig at him, he should be on the wing.

also we don’t need our hooker kicking to the corner on the 2nd tackle on a 7 tackle set. I’m pretty sure that was the dumbest play I’ve ever seen.

my god our defence is bad it almost looks worse, we have to clean house.
 

Sproj

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Sep 6, 2013
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I’m interested in seeing his Milf and Staggs go as halves later in the season. I’m not against keeping Milf as long as it is no more than 300k.

I really felt for Milf tonight, he was getting horrible service from Turps, absolutely putrid and just had no time to do anything. When you are already struggling and making your own mistakes, that kind of service just compounds the issue. I’m really thinking B.Smith might be needed even though I don’t really want him. Turpin is just showing again and again his inconsistency. There’s no point being a tackle bot if it leaves you with nothing to give for the attacking part of your role. I don’t know what the answers are for this season at 9.
 

I bleed Maroon

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I’m interested in seeing his Milf and Staggs go as halves later in the season. I’m not against keeping Milf as long as it is no more than 300k.

I really felt for Milf tonight, he was getting horrible service from Turps, absolutely putrid and just had no time to do anything. When you are already struggling and making your own mistakes, that kind of service just compounds the issue. I’m really thinking B.Smith might be needed even though I don’t really want him. Turpin is just showing again and again his inconsistency. There’s no point being a tackle bot if it leaves you with nothing to give for the attacking part of your role. I don’t know what the answers are for this season at 9.

Where the hell is Paix?
 

Mustafur

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Turpin isn't being helped by Kevvie's stupid as **** Half rotation policy, instead of wasting an interchange on Croft at the 70min mark you could of put Paix in at the 55-60 min mark and it might actually contributed to something.

Turpin isn't an 80 min player he looked stuffed.
 

heartly87

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May 10, 2014
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I came home put the game on and once South's got into the 20s I turned it off and am going to bed. I think blame should not be put on Kev but his presser was not the best, if he really thinks Milf is doing good he needs a brain scan as he may have undiagnosed CTE.

Our spine is clueless, I think Dearden should not have been put into it. He instantly has fallen prey to the succubus Milf. You need a complete overhaul there because Milfs form is that bad he is literally focusing on himself, his form is contagious because he shows it all. He is not having fun.

It needs to be somebody else completely. But I think the same pressure that held Boyd in the team is holding Milf there.

I am really hoping when the new CEO comes in, that there are changes and things start happening. If Reynolds is on the market and we are not in the frame I will be so outraged i may stop watching, until this side has some real change.
It's unwatchable and I am not going to sugar coat it. This club should be humming along but at the moment it reads of crap, not one person should be going into work on Monday proud of what they have done in recent times.
A single focus should not be hard to find, make it simple, if a team wins it's the hardest win they will have. Turn our defence into the focus, build unity by belting people and turning our line into a brick wall. Anyone not showing up for his team mate can sit out.
 

Huge

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Don't worry he will be gone at years end. Where were the forwards to take the hard carries out of defence and exactly how many passes did the wingers get at the end of a backline play.
KW didn't pick two frontrowers on the bench. Kennedy would have kept up the go forward. I thought we came into the game light.
 

Allo

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Sep 28, 2012
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I just hate this team as a whole. I love parts of it, but the bits I hate heavily outweigh it when this is the result we’re getting for 90% of the season.

Yet again, another game of one-outs, getting dominated coming out of our own end, arm-grabbing defence and just dumb dumb errors. We have no shape, there might be one tackle a set per half we have anything resembling numbers moving up together or supporting the ball carrier. It’s such a pedestrian, toothless style of play and little wonder we’re getting nowhere

I cannot stand watching Milford anymore. He is in my opinion the source of everything breaking down. As much as his kicking improved over the last few years, it’s still absolute dogshit, kicking it dead or straight to a defender and it releases any sort of pressure we may have built.

Kev needs to drop him, even if it costs him his job in the end, because it just needs to happen.

Send him back to Souths Logan, he is officially done. His attitude and effort is toxic and it affects the rest of the team.

Turps my boy did not have a good night. Wayward passes and some bad options, I mean every man and his dog knows Flegler has dickfingers and was going to drop that at the line. He needs a back up, almost every other team runs a sub for hooker, and he needs one. 55-60 of good Turps far outweighs 80 mins of ordinary Turps just to have another bench forward or half to play 10-15.

Dearden also had a shocker. He’s still a bit gun-shy at times where he stutters as he’s making his play. It’s not fooling anyone and he needs to sell his attack better. Some bad flat passes to Riki too again. I don’t know why it’s still a play we run. We did it with Gillo and it only barely worked sometimes then. Those two need to run a better play because Riki is getting jammed every time.

I’m not writing those guys (T&D) off though as they are still barely a season’s worth of games into their careers. And it’s not their fault that they’re being required to try and match your Cook/Reynolds, Smith/Munsters, Api/Clearys etc. but they are and so it needs to be worked on as best it can as quickly as it can.

We still need better bench rotation. I will not give this point up. We had Lodge, Haas and Pangai all off at the same time. What’s the point? Te’o, Asiata and Flegler did kind of ok, but they’re not at the same level. Your bench is (usually) there to help balance your starting 3. Straight swapping all of them together is just asking for trouble. Flegler needs another season in QCup and to get fit imo but is just like other players on overs, they’re almost forced to be picked just on sunk-cost. When Carrigan comes back, he takes his bench spot and plays 40mins maximum

The backs in Isaako and Coates with their hitups it’s easy to see why they get belted. They run too upright. Their centre of gravity is way up there and they get hammered. Herbie for example is head down, stay low and go through and it works.

There are so many fundamental basics that are missing in too many players. And sure they’re young and shouldn’t have been playing until probably even next year let alone season before last, but I ask what do they do in preseason and at training? How or why are these shortcomings not being addressed?

Kevvie needs to drop Milford, even though yes that means Croft, because it needs to be done. Same with Glenn. Get rid of them, send them back to QCup for training, get them out of the playing group for a couple of weeks at least.

Now dropping our two most-capped players in a team that has a lack of experience may sound a bit like cutting off your nose, but it will force the team to run the team. I said in another thread that for Turpin and Dearden (or Croft) to be effective, they need to know who’s running the team. At the moment, it’s apparently Milford, because it’s Milford and he’s seemingly undroppable, not because he’s the right person or the best person. Then you have the 3 halves situation, who guess what, are all different, so the team has to try and adapt week-on-week to who’s playing where and for 10-15 mins every week in-game.

I don’t care if we happen to lose every game for the rest of this season, I just want to see the team playing and working better, because we definitely have the players to do it. We don’t have the marquees to be relatively successful, but we do have good enough players to be better than the 1 to 3 wins we may get for the season, even with the fucked draw that we have, and better than getting ~40pts put on us every other week.
 

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