POST GAME Round 7 - Broncos vs Titans

[Kooly87]

I tend to agree. Turps however needs this year, under Luke's mentoring, to show what he can do. Either way, it again shows where the club has failed us in regards to the glaring and obvious need for a proper spine to control and organise both attack and defence

We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.

 

[Foordy]

We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.

which is my we moved Boyd and Macca out of those positions ... now we just need them off our books for good to get some spending money

 

[Fernando]

We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.

This, it's a joke. We even sub our fullback at the 60 minute mark for no apparent reason lmao.

 

[rnabokov]

which is my we moved Boyd and Macca out of those positions ... now we just need them off our books for good to get some spending money

Should have been done a few years ago. Still can't work out why we signed Boyd on the terms we did given we needed a strong spine
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We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.

If we fix our defence, that will at least give us a platform with which to work - momentum and field position instead of constantly back pedaling and being on the back foot, responding with slow, soft one out running and under-using our edges.

 

[Kooly87]

Should have been done a few years ago. Still can't work out why we signed Boyd on the terms we did given we needed a strong spine
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If we fix our defence, that will at least give us a platform with which to work - momentum and field position instead of constantly back pedaling and being on the back foot, responding with slow, soft one out running and under-using our edges.

Whilst I agree our defence needs major surgery currently, if we had a Dummy Half who was better able to get us on the front foot around the ruck we'd have better field position and possession and then our defence wouldn't be under as much pressure as it is currently. I'm by no means blaming Turpin, just highlighting that we have a range of things contributing to our poor defence, and our poor defence is only half our problem because our attack is so dire too.

A gun Dummy Half who excelled at both these things would significantly help in this regard.

 

[rnabokov]

Bloody oath. I am hoping it's Issac and Turps realizes what we need and goes out and does it.

HAving said that, about our defence ... C'mon Patty, c'mon Payne - live up to your name, Flegler, TPJ ... hit them and break ribs rather than hugging them and gently lowering them to the turf ... after they have made 5 or more post contact metres.

Get angry

 

[Thelmus]

I'm not sure whose fault it is, but our forwards seem to have no coordination with our dummy halves and are constantly catching it from a flat footed start.
Id cut a little slack in that they have literally had 4 dummy halves this season but I would like to see this improve.

 

[Sproj]

I'm not sure whose fault it is, but our forwards seem to have no coordination with our dummy halves and are constantly catching it from a flat footed start.
Id cut a little slack in that they have literally had 4 dummy halves this season but I would like to see this improve.

It doesn't take rocket science though to know you should be ready to run regardless of whether you are going to get it or not.

 

[Thelmus]

It doesn't take rocket science though to know you should be ready to run regardless of whether you are going to get it or not.

Yeah that would be good but realistically, you tend to preserve energy when you can off the ball, but a front rower or second rower should be at least be aware who's getting it.
I think it sometimes looks like the poor old hooker has to coerce someone to receive it, let alone take it in a deep hit up.
Like I said before, there are a lot of little things this team could do better and thats something that's relatively easy to fix for a committed team and coach.
I remember lodge, prior to this season being pretty good at it, but he too has waned. Haas rarely does so and gets by on shear strength. They both could be so much better.

 

[Aldo]

One thing with our forwards, they all try and put some sort of footwork or stammer and stutter before the line to step around the defence and the result is no momentum into the tackle. They need someone pushing off the fence straight and fucking hard at the start of the set, getting to their front and playing the ball quickly. Lodge did one of these last weekend (just one) and it created a bit of momentum off the back of it.

 

[K-Style]

...we let Ben Hunt go. Sure, he looked busted as a Halfback and arguably as a Bronco too, so maybe it was just better he moved on, but...

The way i remember it Hunt was trying stuff while Milford was doing less and less. Everyone was still blaming Hunt though. Only after Hunt left did Milford learn to kick. And the way our defense stood back/retreated we needed someone who could kick long. We still need that because our line speed is exactly the same.
We should have kept Hunt for 6/9/14 imo because at least he was trying.

 

[BroncsFan]

I guess the hope is that Turpin delivers and becomes our Harry Grant which in part comes down to Luke delivering as a mentor to Turpin, and fixing our middle organisation while is hooker

I would love to see us just getting a specialist coach in for the hookers.

We're currently running with Turps and Paix... two guys that played all their juniors as halfbacks. Even Macca was a halfback that was manufactured into a hooker just before the 08 NYC

We're trying to manufacture dummy halves... so if we're going down that path then we need a specialist fucking coach to show them what they need to do.

What is a guy like Simon Woolford doing? One of those hookers that started playing in the era when dummy half play changed... A guy like Piggy Riddel, Ennis, etc. as a specialist... I wouldn't say Berro, he was also a halfback but had the natural ability to adapt to hooker (kind of like Ben Hunt).

Issac looks supremely comfortable out there compared to what we have, because he's a natural dummy half... at times he stutters a little bit and there are a couple second guesses, but I'd say that is more about being in a new team, and probably also the forwards not being used to what a dummy half actually does out there.

I would love to see Issac get up the forwards when they aren't on the advantage line when he's passing it or if they're not timing their runs properly or not providing support runs when he wants to fling it to the backline. He has been playing long enough to know what he wants from the forwards and what makes them successful. He played a nice little pass to Teo for a try, that's because Teo knows that running a line there puts pressure on the defensive line and Issac had someone running the line that he could utilise

The forwards haven't really played with an actual dummy half since Ennis in 2008 so they have no idea what a dummy half should actually be doing out there

 

[Foordy]

We should have kept Hunt for 6/9/14 imo because at least he was trying.

not for the 1.2 million he reportedly got from the Dragons ... it's not like we didn't want him, we just couldn't or wouldn't get near the Dragons offer

 

[abashii]

I'm not sure whose fault it is

Pies'. We can all see it from space, he talked about capitalising on quick ptbs and building momentum when he first got here but it's never actually been addressed.

not for the 1.2 million he reportedly got from the Dragons ... it's not like we didn't want him, we just couldn't or wouldn't get near the Dragons offer

Not just the amount, but the length. 5 years at 1.2M IIRC, it would have been a very bad call.

 

[Kooly87]

not for the 1.2 million he reportedly got from the Dragons ... it's not like we didn't want him, we just couldn't or wouldn't get near the Dragons offer

If he honestly got $1.2 million, which I really doubt, then of course it wasn't worth matching. Not as a Halfback or a Dummy Half.

If we're talking about a deal that was closer to $1 million a season then I do think as the incumbent club there is a decent chance we could have retained for less than that, and if we'd committed to turning him into a full time Dummy Half that can compete at the elite level like he's shown glimpses of in the role, then I do think we might have been better off to make that deal than let him go.

 

[Foordy]

If he honestly got $1.2 million, which I really doubt, then of course it wasn't worth matching. Not as a Halfback or a Dummy Half.

If we're talking about a deal that was closer to $1 million a season then I do think as the incumbent club there is a decent chance we could have retained for less than that, and if we'd committed to turning him into a full time Dummy Half that can compete at the elite level like he's shown glimpses of in the role, then I do think we might have been better off to make that deal than let him go.

we reportedly offered him around 750k or so

 

[Kooly87]

we reportedly offered him around 750k or so

Which as a Halfback was probably about right or even a little high for the way he was going.

Had we better understood at the time how vital a dynamic, play making Dummy Half was going to be in the modern game, and embraced Hunt's ability to fill that role, then honestly, even something closer to a million bucks would likely have worked out a good deal for us considering how valuable and in limited supply top shelf Dummy Halves are these days.

 

[The Strapper]

we reportedly offered him around 750k or so

That was generous.
I'm sure St George wish that was all they'd offered.