POST GAME Round 7 - Broncos vs Titans

rnabokov

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Ooooh, I dunno. Turpin is pretty good at 9. Luke and he would be a good combination.
I doubt Turpin has had enough time yet to develop into the organizing, game managing hooker we need just yet. Promising signs, yes, however, we need Luke to take on this role, and, it again shows what we really needed: BOTH an organizing half and the same in a hooker.

After Hunt left and with Macca not being the mid field general we needed, the writing started to appear on the wall and we are now reading that loud and clear.

Seibold can be criticised for keeping a shoddy defence, for not adapting to the new Rule as he admitted, but he is trying to play with the hand he has been dealt by the club.
 
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I doubt Turpin has had enough time yet to develop into the organizing, game managing hooker we need just yet. Promising signs, yes, however, we need Luke to take on this role, and, it again shows what we really needed: BOTH an organizing half and the same in a hooker.

After Hunt left and with Macca not being the mid field general we needed, the writing started to appear on the wall and we are now reading that loud and clear.

Seibold can be criticised for keeping a shoddy defence, for not adapting to the new Rule as he admitted, but he is trying to play with the hand he has been dealt by the club.
This is so true.

We really fucked it up back when we let Ben Hunt go. Sure, he looked busted as a Halfback and arguably as a Bronco too, so maybe it was just better he moved on, but we really missed a huge opportunity to persist with turning him into exactly the kind of Dummy Half he is naturally good at and is ideally suited to the modern game.

Instead of getting a jump on a lot of other clubs in adapting and embracing the importance of a play making Dummy Half in today's game, we're now way behind the eight ball and we're left hoping and praying Harry Grant comes onto the market in 2021.
 
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Instead of getting a jump on a lot of other clubs in adapting and embracing the importance of a play making Dummy Half in today's game, we're now way behind the eight ball and we're left hoping and praying Harry Grant comes onto the market in 2021.
Though Grant was still contracted to the Storm for 2021.
The tigers also have said they want to keep him for next year so I don't know we would even get a look in.
 

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Though Grant was still contracted to the Storm for 2021.
The tigers also have said they want to keep him for next year so I don't know we would even get a look in.
If Smith plays on in 2021 then Grant is able to pursue a deal elsewhere, or so the theory goes.

Imagine being Melbourne though, and you're so confident in your own recruitment and retention that you can let your brightest prospect go and spend a year doing an apprenticeship with another club, safe in the knowledge that you'll almost certainly get him back after that year.

If the Broncos had anything close to that level of confidence we'd have done the same with the likes of Paix and Dearden instead of letting them languish on the sidelines without anywhere to play or stay match fit for the year.
 
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If Smith plays on in 2021 then Grant is able to pursue a deal elsewhere, or so the theory goes.

Imagine being Melbourne though, and you're so confident in your own recruitment and retention that you can let your brightest prospect go and spend a year doing an apprenticeship with another club, safe in the knowledge that you'll almost certainly get him back after that year.

If the Broncos had anything close to that level of confidence we'd have done the same with the likes of Paix and Dearden instead of letting them languish on the sidelines without anywhere to play or stay match fit for the year.
Yep that's why they're miles ahead of us on the field.
 

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This is so true.

We really fucked it up back when we let Ben Hunt go. Sure, he looked busted as a Halfback and arguably as a Bronco too, so maybe it was just better he moved on, but we really missed a huge opportunity to persist with turning him into exactly the kind of Dummy Half he is naturally good at and is ideally suited to the modern game.

Instead of getting a jump on a lot of other clubs in adapting and embracing the importance of a play making Dummy Half in today's game, we're now way behind the eight ball and we're left hoping and praying Harry Grant comes onto the market in 2021.
I guess the hope is that Turpin delivers and becomes our Harry Grant which in part comes down to Luke delivering as a mentor to Turpin, and fixing our middle organisation while is hooker
 

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I guess the hope is that Turpin delivers and becomes our Harry Grant which in part comes down to Luke delivering as a mentor to Turpin, and fixing our middle organisation while is hooker
Grant looks like a once in a generation talent. Turpin has done a really admirable job since coming into the NRL, but I think it's probably fair to say he's very unlikely to ever get to that level of elite Dummy Halves.
 

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Grant looks like a once in a generation talent. Turpin has done a really admirable job since coming into the NRL, but I think it's probably fair to say he's very unlikely to ever get to that level of elite Dummy Halves.
I tend to agree. Turps however needs this year, under Luke's mentoring, to show what he can do. Either way, it again shows where the club has failed us in regards to the glaring and obvious need for a proper spine to control and organise both attack and defence
 

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I tend to agree. Turps however needs this year, under Luke's mentoring, to show what he can do. Either way, it again shows where the club has failed us in regards to the glaring and obvious need for a proper spine to control and organise both attack and defence
We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.
 

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We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.
which is my we moved Boyd and Macca out of those positions ... now we just need them off our books for good to get some spending money
 

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We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.
This, it's a joke. We even sub our fullback at the 60 minute mark for no apparent reason lmao.
 

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which is my we moved Boyd and Macca out of those positions ... now we just need them off our books for good to get some spending money
Should have been done a few years ago. Still can't work out why we signed Boyd on the terms we did given we needed a strong spine
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We're about three years behind most other clubs in working out that your Dummy Half and your Fullback are now the most absolute key positions in the modern game. We failed to recruit adequately in these areas and until we rectify this and re-balance our salary cap accordingly I'd say we're just about cooked.
If we fix our defence, that will at least give us a platform with which to work - momentum and field position instead of constantly back pedaling and being on the back foot, responding with slow, soft one out running and under-using our edges.
 
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kooly87

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Should have been done a few years ago. Still can't work out why we signed Boyd on the terms we did given we needed a strong spine
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If we fix our defence, that will at least give us a platform with which to work - momentum and field position instead of constantly back pedaling and being on the back foot, responding with slow, soft one out running and under-using our edges.
Whilst I agree our defence needs major surgery currently, if we had a Dummy Half who was better able to get us on the front foot around the ruck we'd have better field position and possession and then our defence wouldn't be under as much pressure as it is currently. I'm by no means blaming Turpin, just highlighting that we have a range of things contributing to our poor defence, and our poor defence is only half our problem because our attack is so dire too.

A gun Dummy Half who excelled at both these things would significantly help in this regard.
 

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Bloody oath. I am hoping it's Issac and Turps realizes what we need and goes out and does it.

HAving said that, about our defence ... C'mon Patty, c'mon Payne - live up to your name, Flegler, TPJ ... hit them and break ribs rather than hugging them and gently lowering them to the turf ... after they have made 5 or more post contact metres.

Get angry
 

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I'm not sure whose fault it is, but our forwards seem to have no coordination with our dummy halves and are constantly catching it from a flat footed start.
Id cut a little slack in that they have literally had 4 dummy halves this season but I would like to see this improve.
 

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I'm not sure whose fault it is, but our forwards seem to have no coordination with our dummy halves and are constantly catching it from a flat footed start.
Id cut a little slack in that they have literally had 4 dummy halves this season but I would like to see this improve.
It doesn't take rocket science though to know you should be ready to run regardless of whether you are going to get it or not.
 

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It doesn't take rocket science though to know you should be ready to run regardless of whether you are going to get it or not.
Yeah that would be good but realistically, you tend to preserve energy when you can off the ball, but a front rower or second rower should be at least be aware who's getting it.
I think it sometimes looks like the poor old hooker has to coerce someone to receive it, let alone take it in a deep hit up.
Like I said before, there are a lot of little things this team could do better and thats something that's relatively easy to fix for a committed team and coach.
I remember lodge, prior to this season being pretty good at it, but he too has waned. Haas rarely does so and gets by on shear strength. They both could be so much better.
 

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One thing with our forwards, they all try and put some sort of footwork or stammer and stutter before the line to step around the defence and the result is no momentum into the tackle. They need someone pushing off the fence straight and fucking hard at the start of the set, getting to their front and playing the ball quickly. Lodge did one of these last weekend (just one) and it created a bit of momentum off the back of it.
 

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...we let Ben Hunt go. Sure, he looked busted as a Halfback and arguably as a Bronco too, so maybe it was just better he moved on, but...
The way i remember it Hunt was trying stuff while Milford was doing less and less. Everyone was still blaming Hunt though. Only after Hunt left did Milford learn to kick. And the way our defense stood back/retreated we needed someone who could kick long. We still need that because our line speed is exactly the same.
We should have kept Hunt for 6/9/14 imo because at least he was trying.
 

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I guess the hope is that Turpin delivers and becomes our Harry Grant which in part comes down to Luke delivering as a mentor to Turpin, and fixing our middle organisation while is hooker
I would love to see us just getting a specialist coach in for the hookers.

We're currently running with Turps and Paix... two guys that played all their juniors as halfbacks. Even Macca was a halfback that was manufactured into a hooker just before the 08 NYC

We're trying to manufacture dummy halves... so if we're going down that path then we need a specialist fucking coach to show them what they need to do.

What is a guy like Simon Woolford doing? One of those hookers that started playing in the era when dummy half play changed... A guy like Piggy Riddel, Ennis, etc. as a specialist... I wouldn't say Berro, he was also a halfback but had the natural ability to adapt to hooker (kind of like Ben Hunt).

Issac looks supremely comfortable out there compared to what we have, because he's a natural dummy half... at times he stutters a little bit and there are a couple second guesses, but I'd say that is more about being in a new team, and probably also the forwards not being used to what a dummy half actually does out there.

I would love to see Issac get up the forwards when they aren't on the advantage line when he's passing it or if they're not timing their runs properly or not providing support runs when he wants to fling it to the backline. He has been playing long enough to know what he wants from the forwards and what makes them successful. He played a nice little pass to Teo for a try, that's because Teo knows that running a line there puts pressure on the defensive line and Issac had someone running the line that he could utilise

The forwards haven't really played with an actual dummy half since Ennis in 2008 so they have no idea what a dummy half should actually be doing out there
 
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