Should Mam be sacked?

[Broncapz]

This thread should be : Do you want the Mam to be able to pay the victims or not?

 

[Wolfie]

Mam would have likely been advised to to reach out personally.

This was always headed towards legal action both civilly and criminally. under those circumstances, even a first year law student would advise him not to contact the other parties

He probably would have, which i still think is stupid considering he is guilty as hell and he knew it. If he made the right moves this could have been dealt with a lot better imo. As i said before, the only thing on his part was maybe he was hoping his test would come back negative. The second he went into rehab i was pretty confident how this was going to play out.

 

[Wolfie]

Isn't it usually the risk of admitting guilt?

He didn't know what he was going to be charged with... it seems like his statement came out almost straight after the charges were released suggesting he will probably plead guilty and the lawyers will be sorting out a deal.

I'm not going to pretend i know about that sort of thing legally. I'm just talking from my perspective. If i knew i was guilty of something like he did, i'd just cop it on the chin. He knew he had no license. He knew he had taken drugs, and he knew he wasnt driving in a safe manner. I'd just want to make thing right as best i could.

 

[Foordy]

I'm not going to pretend i know about that sort of thing legally. I'm just talking from my perspective. If i knew i was guilty of something like he did, i'd just cop it on the chin. He knew he had no license. He knew he had taken drugs, and he knew he wasnt driving in a safe manner. I'd just want to make thing right as best i could.

TBF, I doubt any of us know what we'd do in that situation.

but i suspect most people would be listening to the advice of their lawyers (especially if you've got the sort of money a top sports player makes)

 

[Wolfie]

TBF, I doubt any of us know what we'd do in that situation.

but i suspect most people would be listening to the advice of their lawyers (especially if you've got the sort of money a top sports player makes)

I know what i'd do tbh, but everyone is different.

 

[Jedhead]

Which i actually said. You must not be a very good doctor if you cant even read.

Have you seen their writing?

 

[Super Freak]

He doesn't even have a license. Disqualified from driving, that will teach him. They're gonna get him real good they are.

That's QLD laws for you, they're fucked.

From my understanding, the penalty for driving without ever having a license is a 3 month license suspension and either 40 penalty points or 1 year in prison. A first time offender is never going to get the prison term, maybe a repeat offender.

Driving while under the influence of drugs is 6 months disqualification and a $4000+ fine or 9 months in prison, again a first time offender isn't going to get a prison term.

A lot of people are calling for the book to be thrown at him and be thrown in prison. They're going to be disappointed in the punishment Ezra gets.

Where he's going to be hit hard is the civil case the victims are going to go through with.

 

[Pablo]

Ezra will have absolutely no involvement either financially or legally in any civil case arising from this accident. Any person injured as a result of this motor vehicle accident or any other motor vehicle accident in Queensland is entitled to lodge a claim with the CTP insurer of the at fault vehicle which we assume is the vehicle driven by Ezra. The insurer of that vehicle assumes the role of defendant in legal proceedings. Once liability is admitted by that insurer, which is likely in this case, the insurer's role then is to firstly fund the rehabilitation costs of injured claimants and once this has occurred the quantum of damages (compensation amounts) are negotiated between the injured parties' solicitors and the insurer. Significantly less than 1% of these claims go to court but even if any claims from this accident did proceed to court, Ezra's involvement in any future proceedings is already complete. He will not be liable for one cent of the compensation if there is any. In very rare circumstances an insurer may seek to recover some of the damages awarded in cases where criminal behaviour contributed to the accident. Based on the very minor charges laid, the chances of that happening are also practically zero. Ezra has NOT been charged with DUI or dangerous driving. From my observation of things, and the resultant police action, this was a low speed accident, caused by Ezra failing to pay due care and attention. The incidental finding of a drug in his system seems to have been deemed insignificant enough that it has had no bearing whatsoever on Ezra's ability to control the vehicle. Otherwise he would have been charged with a more serious offence relating to DUI. When media speculation gets in the way of facts, people start calling for 12 month bans and sackings which is beyond ridiculous. Hopefully the NRL can see past the distortion. I suspect the Broncos have already done this which is good to see.

 

[Broncapz]

Ezra will have absolutely no involvement either financially or legally in any civil case arising from this accident. Any person injured as a result of this motor vehicle accident or any other motor vehicle accident in Queensland is entitled to lodge a claim with the CTP insurer of the at fault vehicle which we assume is the vehicle driven by Ezra. The insurer of that vehicle assumes the role of defendant in legal proceedings. Once liability is admitted by that insurer, which is likely in this case, the insurer's role then is to firstly fund the rehabilitation costs of injured claimants and once this has occurred the quantum of damages (compensation amounts) are negotiated between the injured parties' solicitors and the insurer. Significantly less than 1% of these claims go to court but even if any claims from this accident did proceed to court, Ezra's involvement in any future proceedings is already complete. He will not be liable for one cent of the compensation if there is any. In very rare circumstances an insurer may seek to recover some of the damages awarded in cases where criminal behaviour contributed to the accident. Based on the very minor charges laid, the chances of that happening are also practically zero. Ezra has NOT been charged with DUI or dangerous driving. From my observation of things, and the resultant police action, this was a low speed accident, caused by Ezra failing to pay due care and attention. The incidental finding of a drug in his system seems to have been deemed insignificant enough that it has had no bearing whatsoever on Ezra's ability to control the vehicle. Otherwise he would have been charged with a more serious offence relating to DUI. When media speculation gets in the way of facts, people start calling for 12 month bans and sackings which is beyond ridiculous. Hopefully the NRL can see past the distortion. I suspect the Broncos have already done this which is good to see.

Are you sure he's not civilly liable?

He was driving unlicenced, and has affected the lives of the other occupants.

 

[Sproj]

Have you seen their writing?

It’s Arabesh.

 

[Pablo]

Are you sure he's not civilly liable?

He was driving unlicenced, and has affected the lives of the other occupants.

The injured parties will be compensated fairly under our state's excellent CTP scheme. The fact he was unlicensed has no bearing on that. As an example, let's say I was driving my kids to school and I momentarily turned around to grab a lunch box or something from the backseat and I lost control and crashed into a pole. Who do my kids sue if they are badly injured? Thankfully, it's not me. It is the CTP insurer that I nominated when when the vehicle was registered at renewal. That is the system. Likewise if someone was to crash into the back of your stationary vehicle and you sustain an injury, because you weren't at fault, you are entitled to claim compensation from that vehicle's CTP insurer. If individuals were liable you would need to hope that the at fault driver had the financial means to compensate you which not many people would. That is why this system was put in place. Ezra will face the consequences of the law but not any financial liability for the injured parties. They will be looked after.

 

[Big Del]

Ezra will have absolutely no involvement either financially or legally in any civil case arising from this accident. Any person injured as a result of this motor vehicle accident or any other motor vehicle accident in Queensland is entitled to lodge a claim with the CTP insurer of the at fault vehicle which we assume is the vehicle driven by Ezra. The insurer of that vehicle assumes the role of defendant in legal proceedings. Once liability is admitted by that insurer, which is likely in this case, the insurer's role then is to firstly fund the rehabilitation costs of injured claimants and once this has occurred the quantum of damages (compensation amounts) are negotiated between the injured parties' solicitors and the insurer. Significantly less than 1% of these claims go to court but even if any claims from this accident did proceed to court, Ezra's involvement in any future proceedings is already complete. He will not be liable for one cent of the compensation if there is any. In very rare circumstances an insurer may seek to recover some of the damages awarded in cases where criminal behaviour contributed to the accident. Based on the very minor charges laid, the chances of that happening are also practically zero. Ezra has NOT been charged with DUI or dangerous driving. From my observation of things, and the resultant police action, this was a low speed accident, caused by Ezra failing to pay due care and attention. The incidental finding of a drug in his system seems to have been deemed insignificant enough that it has had no bearing whatsoever on Ezra's ability to control the vehicle. Otherwise he would have been charged with a more serious offence relating to DUI. When media speculation gets in the way of facts, people start calling for 12 month bans and sackings which is beyond ridiculous. Hopefully the NRL can see past the distortion. I suspect the Broncos have already done this which is good to see.

OMG ! Are you on drugs ?
Stop making sense ! It`s all about emotions and virtue signalling here with a tinge of racist and ageism to spice things up . Take your considered and reasonable assessment back where it belongs .

 

[McHunt]

Yeah there were so many where the guy was unlicensed, off his head and driving on the opposite side of the road, oh so many.

You must really despise Ezra to keep pushing this hysterical narrative detached from day to day policing of the roads.

Ezra has not been charged with being under the influence of a drug; he's been charged with it being present in his blood. So not "off his head."

Thanks to our zealously enforced demerit system, a surprisingly high percentage of drivers have found themselves unlicenced. Both are fairly routine traffic offences. He's also been hit with an infringement notice for failing to maintain control of his vehicle.

He didn't steal the car, they didn't find a stash of weapons or drugs. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't speed, evade police or recklessly endanger lives. He had a fender bender. It's his first offence. Etc etc.

He'll get slapped with some fines and have his licence suspension further extended, and that will be it. Just another day in the Magistrates court.

 

[McHunt]

That's QLD laws for you, they're fucked.

From my understanding, the penalty for driving without ever having a license is a 3 month license suspension and either 40 penalty points or 1 year in prison. A first time offender is never going to get the prison term, maybe a repeat offender.

Driving while under the influence of drugs is 6 months disqualification and a $4000+ fine or 9 months in prison, again a first time offender isn't going to get a prison term.

A lot of people are calling for the book to be thrown at him and be thrown in prison. They're going to be disappointed in the punishment Ezra gets.

Where he's going to be hit hard is the civil case the victims are going to go through with.

Unless you're very young, or been hit with DD, driving without a licence generally means you've lost all your demerit points.

It's not hard to do that on speeding tickets alone if you travel outside the city regularly. I don't know the stats but I saw that 1 in 5 fatalities involve unlicenced drivers. I expect they're somewhat higher represented in careless driving and being general scofflaws, but it's fair to assume a high percentage of drivers are unlicenced.

So there's the catch 22: if you go out of your way to milk the roads for speeding ticket revenue, you'll wind up with unlicenced drivers.

 

[Gaz]

Unfortunately, Ezra deserves everything he gets.

 

[McHunt]

Unfortunately, Ezra deserves everything he gets.

He deserves his day in court. But piling on that is largely epicaricacy.

 

[Super Freak]

Maguire confirming Ezra won't be sacked.

 

[Gaz]

He deserves his day in court. But piling on that is largely epicaricacy.

You've been saving that one up only to waste it. HeHe.