Steve Price Sacked!!!

[Unbreakable]

What? who were these people. I think it's safe to say that the dragons exceeded everyones expectations in the first 3 weeks, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that point. People may have been calling Widdop the best 6 in the comp, but those same people are fucked in the head. Lot's of people used to call the world flat, should I be worried next time I go out in my boat?

what is topkek

Virtually every single person on all of the NRL programs was saying that Widdop is the best Five-Eighth in the comp, I won't go through them all, but Sterlo, Matty Johns etc were raving about Widdop in the first month.

Which is my entire point, the Dragons looked amazing in the first month, without their best player, and they just lost their coach, what do we have to do to lose ours? I guess the only way is to go on a losing streak..

 

[broncos4life]

Price's lack of a chin has always counted against him.

Yeah, this is a tough day for pricey but he is just gonna have to cop this one on the chin

 

[Huge]

Could one of you contrast Price's win loss ratio against Griffin's please.....just for comparison purposes. I realize they are more than just stark statistics but it'd be interesting.

 

[Big Pete]

Anthony Griffin: 54.5%
Steven Price: 39.7%

Take away Lockyer's final season and Griffin's record is 46.6%

 

[Foordy]

Could one of you contrast Price's win loss ratio against Griffin's please.....just for comparison purposes. I realize they are more than just stark statistics but it'd be interesting.

not including finals matches:

Price: 22/59 (37.3%)

Griffin: 46/83 (55.4%)

 

[Morkel]

Virtually every single person on all of the NRL programs was saying that Widdop is the best Five-Eighth in the comp, I won't go through them all, but Sterlo, Matty Johns etc were raving about Widdop in the first month.

Which is my entire point, the Dragons looked amazing in the first month, without their best player, and they just lost their coach, what do we have to do to lose ours? I guess the only way is to go on a losing streak..

Price's team lost what? 6 of the last 7? Good form early in the season or not, that slide is enough to put any coach on shaky ground. If the Broncos went on that losing run you'd think Griffin would be bracing for the unemployment line too.

 

[Porthoz]

Could one of you contrast Price's win loss ratio against Griffin's please.....just for comparison purposes. I realize they are more than just stark statistics but it'd be interesting.

The Dragons have always finished below the Broncos during both coaches tenures. Does that answer your question?

 

[Big Pete]

Strange that there appears to be a discrepancy in our stats, Foordy. Rugby League Project must be counting different games in their totals.

Never the less, it was clearly time for Price to bite the bullet.

Price took over one of the most professional and successful teams in recent years and basically turned them into easy-beats in the course of just one season. Usually it takes awhile for a team to adjust to a new coach and usually they can rely on winning games based on the success of the previous coach's tenure (eg. Henjak in 2009) but seemingly the Dragons lost the plot very quickly and unlike even Ivan, didn't have any answers.

Really, 2014 was a make or break season. The Dragons recruitment had done a good job of scoring some big names and after a decent first month, things were south very quickly and it was clear that the Dragons weren't committed to the coach. Some of their defensive efforts were weak and they didn't have the character to fight back.

Will be interesting to see who they bring in - I'm hearing Henry is the front-runner. Will be interesting to see how he goes and see whether it was just a bit of a culture clash in North Queensland that ruined his time up there.

 

[Foordy]

@Big Pete

I just added the wins both teams had from each season (not including finals). don't know how Rugby League Project does it.

they had that Price had played 58 games and Griffin 86 (so they've included finals but not the round just played) where as i didn't include finals and have included the round just played.


there is your discrepancy :okey:

 

[Cult]

Mad?

I know the season goes for 26 rounds, hence the reason I said the first month, l2read brah, the Dragons looked infinitely better than us in the first 3 weeks, despite the oppositions they defeated, Widdop was playing wonderfully, and a lot of people were predicting them finishing in the Top 4 after the way they started the season, and calling Widdop the best Five-Eighth in the competition.

10/10 research, topkek @broncos4life

I'm not mad at all. But you talking like a troll is a little immature I must say.

Dragons haven't looked as bad as us for a lot of their games, and they didn't have Dugan for a lot of games, what's the reason for Griffin not being sacked yet? Oh that's right, our boardroom is full of a bunch of soft *****.

Where did you say in the first 3 weeks before my first response? This right up here ^^^ is the point I was arguing against. Not that the Dragons looked bad in the first three rounds of a 26 round comp. Dragons have looked worse than us in a lot more games this season. That's my point.

 

[Cult]

Anthony Griffin: 54.5%
Steven Price: 39.7%

Take away Lockyer's final season and Griffin's record is 46.6%

Fortunately for Hook, that's not how stats work though :P

 

[Unbreakable]

Price's team lost what? 6 of the last 7? Good form early in the season or not, that slide is enough to put any coach on shaky ground. If the Broncos went on that losing run you'd think Griffin would be bracing for the unemployment line too.

Yeah, a losing streak is what I think it will take to lose him, dare I ask what will happen if we somehow keep maintaining roughly a 50% win rate for the rest of the season, and maybe even sneak into the top 8? I know people are saying it's top 4 or the sack for Griffin, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a top 8 finish is all he needs to keep his job.

 

[Big Pete]

Fortunately for Hook, that's not how stats work though :P

Yes, stats can often be misleading but they can be broken down too and I think there is a train of thought that suggests Griffin owes his success to Lockyer and the impact his presence and retirement had on his players.

 

[Porthoz]

I'm by no means arguing anything favouring Hook. Having said that, you could make a case that any coach would have better results before than after losing such an importing player as Locky...

 

[Cult]

Yes, stats can often be misleading but they can be broken down too and I think there is a train of thought that suggests Griffin owes his success to Lockyer and the impact his presence and retirement had on his players.

Stats can be easily manipulated if you decide to leave out anything. It's possible to make Ricky Stuart look amazing if you only count his 2002 season.

 

[Big Pete]

They can be misleading either way.

I was just providing that perspective for those interested.

 

[Harry Sack]

Yeah, a losing streak is what I think it will take to lose him, dare I ask what will happen if we somehow keep maintaining roughly a 50% win rate for the rest of the season, and maybe even sneak into the top 8? I know people are saying it's top 4 or the sack for Griffin, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a top 8 finish is all he needs to keep his job.

I'm fairly confident he's gone at seasons end regardless of what happens. The only way he won't see out the year is if, like you say, we go on a losing streak.

 

[Huge]

Thank you for that. I was trying to get a little clearer sense of both coaches efforts. With or without Lockyer the stats are not outstanding for Hook but it is quite a drop without Locky. No doubt any coach would have a downturn without someone like Lockyer. It makes me wonder how WB went after losing the great Allan Langer, one of the greatest organising half backs. Mind you I consider we lost a lot when Kevvie Walters finished up too.