Storm for Wooden Spoon - Betting Suspended

[Jeba]

You're right, it's probably not a path the NRL can take, but I really feel for the Warriors on this occasion.

 

[Flutterby]

NRL chief executive David Gallop has confirmed both the legal and illegal agreements at the centre of the Melbourne salary cap scandal were signed within days of each other, raising concerns about the extent of the players' knowledge of the scam.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rugby-l ... utostart=1

 

[Bucking Beads]

I'd be happy enough for the Storm to play for points if they got rid of 700k+ worth of players!.

 

[ddd]

I'd be happy enough for the Storm to play for points if they got rid of 700k+ worth of players!.

I'd be happy enough for the Storm to drop off the face of the earth and die in a hole

 

[Bucking Beads]

I'd be happy enough for the Storm to play for points if they got rid of 700k+ worth of players!.

I'd be happy enough for the Storm to drop off the face of the earth and die in a hole

I could live with that also.

 

[Je$ter]

Mark Geyer has been making sense lately, maybe its run out

Mark Geyer said oen thing on the Matty Johns Show Thursday night, then on the Sunday Footy Show said basically the complete opposite!

 

[Huge]

I don't care if the Storm were over the bs cap. They are the premiers in my eyes and no bs from Gallup will change that. 20 cent administrator in charge of a multi million dollar game. No idea about what's fair. Storm deserve the titles they won, 17 against 17. Could not care less how much the players were paid and I am aware it was outside the rules, so are many things that are allowed to continue.

I will always consider the Storm as the bench mark of their era. Gallup is a mouthpiece for the Sydney based clubs only and in particular the clubs who do not develop their own players but instead poach the players developed from other clubs. Gallup is an apologist for the clubs who need mediocrity to be the norm so they are able to compete with true champion sides. Gallups argument was that the other clubs would be unfairly treated if Melbourne were able to earn points this year. Why ???

On the Sunday footy show he said it was 'unfair 'on the clubs who don't or can't develop their own players !!!!

So what, why can't Sydney clubs develop their own players ?? Why drag the standard down, why not reward the clubs who produce their own ???

Before the salary cap was introduced clubs could spend what they liked to buy players and they did so. Does that mean every premiership won in that time is less valued ?? Afterall their crime was the same as the Storms, they paid more for their players than that paid by other clubs. are St georges 10 straight premierships worthless ?? Just because they had more money and could raid any club they liked does that mean the honour of winning is de=valued. Well not according to the records, it still shows these supposedly great clubs as GF winners although they bought their premierships.

That's exactly what happened. they bought their success. They paid overs to get the best players although you would not call that cheating as it was legal to do that in the time past. It is very little different. Yes it is different but the only reason the cap exists is to reward and prop up Sydney clubs who should have gone extinct years ago. Gallup and his henchmen are a blight on the game. lapdogs for a Sydneycentric competition.

 

[OXY-351]

Some people like you are suggesting that they should have never lost their premierships and should still be able to gain points this year. Therefore, they are suggesting that the penalty for rorting the cap is a 500,000 fine and a loss of 8 competition points. Yeah, that's a sufficient penalty right there. :roll:

The Dogs lost all their points on 2002 so at the very LEAST, the Storm should lose their points this year, every single one of them. If the Dogs lost all of their points in 2002 and finished last then why shouldn't the Storm?

No, I'm happy for them to lose the minor premierships and gf wins, and I agree that only a $500K fine (pluss loss of the prize money for the premierhips) and loss of 8 points wouldn't be sufficent.

The Bulldogs never lost all their 2002 points. They lost all the points that they had won up until they were found out to be rorting the salary cup, which unluckily for them was so late in the season they never had a chance to recover and finished last. They didn't finish on 0 points though. If the dogs were allowed to continue accumulating points in 2002 why shouldn't the Storm?

Although I don't think the Storm should be able to accumlate points until they are under the salary cap. They need to get below the cap based on the value of the dodgy contracts already signed. I.e they need to get rid of players rather than players just accepting some form a paycut.

If they get their team under the cap, I can't see why they shouldn't be able to accumulate points. Sure it's unfair on the teams that have already played them while they were cheating, but I think it just opens an even bigger can of worms if they can't win points all season. It will be a joke of a seaon otherwise.

 

[Jeba]

The Bulldogs never lost all their 2002 points. They lost all the points that they had won up until they were found out to be rorting the salary cup, which unluckily for them was so late in the season they never had a chance to recover and finished last. They didn't finish on 0 points though. If the dogs were allowed to continue accumulating points in 2002 why shouldn't the Storm?

The Bulldogs were taken away enough points to guarantee them the wooden spoon. Since in the Storm's case taking away 8 points hardly guarantees that it's pretty much the same punishment.

 

[Charmamba]

Its not ment to be "the same punishment" as the Dogs. Its ment to be more extreme and if it happens again its likely the NRL would take the punishment to another level again.

 

[ddd]

[quote="The Rock":2hfjo98a]Some people like you are suggesting that they should have never lost their premierships and should still be able to gain points this year. Therefore, they are suggesting that the penalty for rorting the cap is a 500,000 fine and a loss of 8 competition points. Yeah, that's a sufficient penalty right there. :roll:

The Dogs lost all their points on 2002 so at the very LEAST, the Storm should lose their points this year, every single one of them. If the Dogs lost all of their points in 2002 and finished last then why shouldn't the Storm?

No, I'm happy for them to lose the minor premierships and gf wins, and I agree that only a $500K fine (pluss loss of the prize money for the premierhips) and loss of 8 points wouldn't be sufficent.

The Bulldogs never lost all their 2002 points. They lost all the points that they had won up until they were found out to be rorting the salary cup, which unluckily for them was so late in the season they never had a chance to recover and finished last. They didn't finish on 0 points though. If the dogs were allowed to continue accumulating points in 2002 why shouldn't the Storm?

Although I don't think the Storm should be able to accumlate points until they are under the salary cap. They need to get below the cap based on the value of the dodgy contracts already signed. I.e they need to get rid of players rather than players just accepting some form a paycut.

If they get their team under the cap, I can't see why they shouldn't be able to accumulate points. Sure it's unfair on the teams that have already played them while they were cheating, but I think it just opens an even bigger can of worms if they can't win points all season. It will be a joke of a seaon otherwise.[/quote:2hfjo98a]

OMG I'm agreeing with you on this, I can handle the Storm being able to earn points, its the only way to move forward, but I personally won't be happy unless the team looks markedly different, and "pay cuts" won't do it for me. As I mentioned earlier, let points count, let the U20s run until the Storm get under, and lets make sure the other clubs get to approve the team (or something equivalent) prior to taking the field for real

 

[ddd]

But what happens if they earn points, make the 8 and win the comp in 2010? How is that punishment?? They would win yet ANOTHER premiership with a rort of a team.

The NRL would be the LAUGHING STOCK of sport in Australia if that happened.

Sure, I get that, it's difficult because the cheating was discovered so early in the season, perhaps half points for the storm, but again it sucks because all season we're gonna hear bitching and moaning from commentators and ex-players about how hard done by the storm are and eventually, the animosity that they deserve will be replaced with pity and acceptance

Although, perhaps Melbourne won't suffer all that much not playing for points, they didn't struggle against the warriors - but then they are cheats, I think there is something really wrong that the warriors had to play a side last night that was 700k above salary cap? How is that fair, no wonder the warriors lost, all that pressure on them to pants the storm for all the non cheating teams plus the teams didn't match up rules wise? Why were the Storm not forced to make changes immediately?

 

[Nashy]

Heard on the news that the Storm are appealing today.

 

[ddd]

Heard on the news that the Storm are appealing today.

God, they really have no understanding why we're all so pissed off with them, because they're the ones hard done by aren't they?

 

[ningnangnong]

So much for accepting the punishment handed down to them like they said.

 

[Jeba]

Its not ment to be "the same punishment" as the Dogs. Its ment to be more extreme and if it happens again its likely the NRL would take the punishment to another level again.

The taking away of Premierships and Minor Premierships makes it more extreme than the punishment handed to the Bulldogs.

 

[Nashy]

They either need to exit the comp this year, or be allowed to come under the cap and play for the year.

They CANNOT be allowed to get around the pay cut loophole and keep the same team. They MUST get rid of players.

It needs to be decided before next week.

All teams who lost to them this year should be given the 2 points.

 

[ddd]

They either need to exit the comp this year, or be allowed to come under the cap and play for the year.

They CANNOT be allowed to get around the pay cut loophole and keep the same team. They MUST get rid of players.

It needs to be decided before next week.

All teams who lost to them this year should be given the 2 points.

Yop, currently they're in limbo, something needs to happen, asap, one way or the other