Teams we have beaten in season 2013

[Mr Fourex]

1.Hoffman
2.
3.Reed
4.Hodges
5.
6.Prince
7.Hunt
8.Hannant
9.McCullough
10.McGuire
11.Glenn
12.Thaiday
13.Parker

14.
15.Gillett
16.Dodds
17.

That's a top 8 side IMO. If he'd made the call to punt Norman and Wallace earlier, we're looking at finals footy afaic. I'm still struggling to understand why he didn't do it earlier....

Nice post M_F

 

[rnabokov]

I said it in a different thread, but I think next year is make or break for Griffin. If we get Barba and/or Milford, even just Barba, combined with the rest of this squad, should easily be enough to get into the finals next year. If we can't, then something else is seriously wrong and things will need to be looked at.

Something is already seriously wrong.

 

[Mr Fourex]

To me.....Griffin making the changes he has & will, is a good sign, albeit far too late.

I haven't given up on Griffin just yet.

 

[rnabokov]

Griffin made his changes far too late, and when he really had no choice. As far as I am concerned, you make changes while you still have time to make choices.

As others have acutely observed, and I single out Alec, under Griffin, the team has become fat, lazy and disorganized. The game plan is also a relic from a decade ago.

We played some terriic football in spits and dribbles this year. We had the players to go a lot further than we ended up. A good coach would have capitalized on those positives.

The point however is that he will be coach next year and we have no choice.

 

[bb_gun]

I'm not entirely sure it was Griffin's decision to make those team changes, as far as I can tell he's way too stubborn for that. More than likely he was forced to make some changes by those above him otherwise we'd still have Norman at fullback, Thaiday in the Front Row and Wallace at Halfback and every post match conference the phrase "The effort was there" would be muttered.

 

[Mr Fourex]

I don't think there's too many 1st grade coaches who would put up with having the board pick the side.

 

[Rabbir]

Back in about round 6-7 when most on here were carrying on about us being a premiership force once again after a few wins

We were 4 wins 3 losses after 7 rounds. Also the last time we had more than a 50% win record.

 

[Steve Renouf]

Do you always make points with sarcastic questions? (Adore the irony)

Do you always make statements with get out clauses by using the word "should".

I don't see that signing a new coach in the off season is going to change much. There need to be some fundamental changes in the off season with regards to fitness particularly, also attacking set plays and defensive structure.

So you want to see changes such as fitness, attack and defense. In other words, everything.
Should the current coach at least not have addressed the fitness issues prior to this season commencing? Is it not in his job description to ensure the squad is fit for a season?
Maybe signing a new coach would see these "fundamentals" addressed rather than waiting, as you suggested for next season to do so.

But I guess that is where we disagree, you are happy to blow off another 12 months, where as I would prefer to commence addressing these issues immediately, starting with the axing of Griffin.

A message needs to be sent, if you fail, you no longer have a job, that goes for players and coaches.

To me.....Griffin making the changes he has & will, is a good sign, albeit far too late.

I haven't given up on Griffin just yet.

That's right, to little to late. How is that excusable?

I don't think there's too many 1st grade coaches who would put up with having the board pick the side.

I don't think there is many 1st grade coaches who make changes 6 or 8 weeks after the majority of fans can see they need to be made.

Decent coaches will see things are or are not working sooner rather than later.

 

[Mr Fourex]

I don't think there is many 1st grade coaches who make changes 6 or 8 weeks after the majority of fans can see they need to be made.

Decent coaches will see things are or are not working sooner rather than later.

What changes would you have made earlier?

Obviously ditching Wallace was one call that should have been made 3 yrs ago, but what other positional changes would you have made this year?

 

[winslow_wong]

so we struggle to beat the eels at home where as melbourne put on a cricket score against them. that is what you call a good effort. so if thaiday thinks we should play finals then he is absolutely a mental patient.

 

[KingWebcke]

What changes would you have made earlier?

Obviously ditching Wallace was one call that should have been made 3 yrs ago, but what other positional changes would you have made this year?

none really. I know the question wasn't directed at me but I agree wholeheartedly with you here. Hunt should have been given an opportunity earlier and personally, I never liked Norman at fullback but I don't think there have been any other blinding oversights by Hook. Tactics definitely but not changes to line ups.

Criticising Griffin for making changes 6-8 weeks after the 'majority of fans' could see they were necessary is a bit rich, since fans are always calling for changes. that is one of the defining characteristics of fans and armchair experts: we clamour for changes at all times, even when they only represent a step sideways rather than forwards.

 

[rnabokov]

I am still going to propose that the form of each and every player, and the team as a whole, is the result of a crap game plan.

Wallace is not a crap half. He was made to look crap because of what was forced on him. I have absolutely no doubt that under Cleary, he will be a totally different player.

We struggle because we are disorganized, unfit, undisciplined and the good footie we play is ad hoc and opportunistic.

Compare the way we move as a team to the top 6 sides and it is bleeding obvious.

If Hasler or Bellyache had us for 2 years, we would be in the top 6 at a minimum - coaches who understand building combinations, rehearsing a broad repertoire of structured set plays, creating structures which always give the team a fall back position to re-group in adversity, and also the chance for the class players to show their stuff because everyone is aware of everyone else and knows that there is always support when it is needed.

As we have seen, we played some great football this year. Our tries rank up there with the best. The question then is why didn't we go on with it.

 

[Mr Fourex]

none really. I know the question wasn't directed at me but I agree wholeheartedly with you here. Hunt should have been given an opportunity earlier and personally, I never liked Norman at fullback but I don't think there have been any other blinding oversights by Hook. Tactics definitely but not changes to line ups.

Most are overlooking that for 3/4 of the season Norman was doing some good work at the back ........his form alone, IMO warranted selection.

The bench use has become increasingly frustrating for mine........Thaiday is getting too many minutes, McC not enough etc etc

Tactics for sure. Positional changes ....? Easier said then done when comparing the other cattle around. It's an alarming realisation that Brisbane are slowly facing ....

 

[Mr Fourex]

I am still going to propose that the form of each and every player, and the team as a whole, is the result of a crap game plan.

Wallace is not a crap half. He was made to look crap because of what was forced on him. I have absolutely no doubt that under Cleary, he will be a totally different player.

We struggle because we are disorganized, unfit, undisciplined and the good footie we play is ad hoc and opportunistic.

Compare the way we move as a team to the top 6 sides and it is bleeding obvious.

If Hasler or Bellyache had us for 2 years, we would be in the top 6 at a minimum - coaches who understand building combinations, rehearsing a broad repertoire of structured set plays, creating structures which always give the team a fall back position to re-group in adversity, and also the chance for the class players to show their stuff because everyone is aware of everyone else and knows that there is always support when it is needed.

As we have seen, we played some great football this year. Our tries rank up there with the best. The question then is why didn't we go on with it.

Ask the players ......they're the ones out there, not Griffin.

Surely there's some accountability here for the players to take a share in.

 

[Steve Renouf]

none really. I know the question wasn't directed at me but I agree wholeheartedly with you here. Hunt should have been given an opportunity earlier and personally, I never liked Norman at fullback but I don't think there have been any other blinding oversights by Hook. Tactics definitely but not changes to line ups.

Criticising Griffin for making changes 6-8 weeks after the 'majority of fans' could see they were necessary is a bit rich, since fans are always calling for changes. that is one of the defining characteristics of fans and armchair experts: we clamour for changes at all times, even when they only represent a step sideways rather than forwards.

Ah yes so Griffin is steering the team forwards whilst the fans are requesting sideways moves. Gotcha. :001_rolleyes:

So for the many weeks, nay months that people were calling for Wallace to be dropped and or moved to hooker Griffin was correct in not doing so, then when he actually decided to do so, it was a step forward?
What about the lack of fitness of the players, should that rest on his shoulders or is that someone else,s problem?

And for the lineups, he has a major say in who is hired or fired, yet he has consistently turned out duds for Brisbane.

Maybe the biggest oversight of all was actually hiring him, his lack of ability to bring together a group of players and mould them into a team that is mildly competitive is really starting to show.

Not that much has changed since the departure of Henjak, there is no cohesion, playing positions are not cemented for all but a few and we are still without a fit football team with decent halves and if anything apart from Hodges our roster of backs has gone......backwards.

Finally, hiring a wooden spoon winning coach from the previous year as a defensive coach is like hiring a blind person to be your tour guide.

What a mess.

 

[Rabbir]

11.Glenn
12.Thaiday

15.Gillett

Why does the form second rower start on the bench?

 

[Coxy]

BHQ people have obviously been at the beach lately. lots of sand up crack

 

[Waynesaurus]

so we struggle to beat the eels at home where as melbourne put on a cricket score against them. that is what you call a good effort. so if thaiday thinks we should play finals then he is absolutely a mental patient.

The Storm really showed how far we are off the pace of the top teams. It's actually embarrassing.