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Nice post M_F
Teams we have beaten in season 2013
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Nice post M_F
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Griffin made his changes far too late, and when he really had no choice. As far as I am concerned, you make changes while you still have time to make choices.
As others have acutely observed, and I single out Alec, under Griffin, the team has become fat, lazy and disorganized. The game plan is also a relic from a decade ago.
We played some terriic football in spits and dribbles this year. We had the players to go a lot further than we ended up. A good coach would have capitalized on those positives.
The point however is that he will be coach next year and we have no choice.
As others have acutely observed, and I single out Alec, under Griffin, the team has become fat, lazy and disorganized. The game plan is also a relic from a decade ago.
We played some terriic football in spits and dribbles this year. We had the players to go a lot further than we ended up. A good coach would have capitalized on those positives.
The point however is that he will be coach next year and we have no choice.
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I'm not entirely sure it was Griffin's decision to make those team changes, as far as I can tell he's way too stubborn for that. More than likely he was forced to make some changes by those above him otherwise we'd still have Norman at fullback, Thaiday in the Front Row and Wallace at Halfback and every post match conference the phrase "The effort was there" would be muttered.
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We were 4 wins 3 losses after 7 rounds. Also the last time we had more than a 50% win record.
Steve Renouf
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Do you always make statements with get out clauses by using the word "should".
So you want to see changes such as fitness, attack and defense. In other words, everything.
Should the current coach at least not have addressed the fitness issues prior to this season commencing? Is it not in his job description to ensure the squad is fit for a season?
Maybe signing a new coach would see these "fundamentals" addressed rather than waiting, as you suggested for next season to do so.
But I guess that is where we disagree, you are happy to blow off another 12 months, where as I would prefer to commence addressing these issues immediately, starting with the axing of Griffin.
A message needs to be sent, if you fail, you no longer have a job, that goes for players and coaches.
That's right, to little to late. How is that excusable?
I don't think there is many 1st grade coaches who make changes 6 or 8 weeks after the majority of fans can see they need to be made.
Decent coaches will see things are or are not working sooner rather than later.
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What changes would you have made earlier?
Obviously ditching Wallace was one call that should have been made 3 yrs ago, but what other positional changes would you have made this year?
KingWebcke
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none really. I know the question wasn't directed at me but I agree wholeheartedly with you here. Hunt should have been given an opportunity earlier and personally, I never liked Norman at fullback but I don't think there have been any other blinding oversights by Hook. Tactics definitely but not changes to line ups.
Criticising Griffin for making changes 6-8 weeks after the 'majority of fans' could see they were necessary is a bit rich, since fans are always calling for changes. that is one of the defining characteristics of fans and armchair experts: we clamour for changes at all times, even when they only represent a step sideways rather than forwards.
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I am still going to propose that the form of each and every player, and the team as a whole, is the result of a crap game plan.
Wallace is not a crap half. He was made to look crap because of what was forced on him. I have absolutely no doubt that under Cleary, he will be a totally different player.
We struggle because we are disorganized, unfit, undisciplined and the good footie we play is ad hoc and opportunistic.
Compare the way we move as a team to the top 6 sides and it is bleeding obvious.
If Hasler or Bellyache had us for 2 years, we would be in the top 6 at a minimum - coaches who understand building combinations, rehearsing a broad repertoire of structured set plays, creating structures which always give the team a fall back position to re-group in adversity, and also the chance for the class players to show their stuff because everyone is aware of everyone else and knows that there is always support when it is needed.
As we have seen, we played some great football this year. Our tries rank up there with the best. The question then is why didn't we go on with it.
Wallace is not a crap half. He was made to look crap because of what was forced on him. I have absolutely no doubt that under Cleary, he will be a totally different player.
We struggle because we are disorganized, unfit, undisciplined and the good footie we play is ad hoc and opportunistic.
Compare the way we move as a team to the top 6 sides and it is bleeding obvious.
If Hasler or Bellyache had us for 2 years, we would be in the top 6 at a minimum - coaches who understand building combinations, rehearsing a broad repertoire of structured set plays, creating structures which always give the team a fall back position to re-group in adversity, and also the chance for the class players to show their stuff because everyone is aware of everyone else and knows that there is always support when it is needed.
As we have seen, we played some great football this year. Our tries rank up there with the best. The question then is why didn't we go on with it.
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Most are overlooking that for 3/4 of the season Norman was doing some good work at the back ........his form alone, IMO warranted selection.
The bench use has become increasingly frustrating for mine........Thaiday is getting too many minutes, McC not enough etc etc
Tactics for sure. Positional changes ....? Easier said then done when comparing the other cattle around. It's an alarming realisation that Brisbane are slowly facing ....
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Ask the players ......they're the ones out there, not Griffin.
Surely there's some accountability here for the players to take a share in.
Steve Renouf
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Ah yes so Griffin is steering the team forwards whilst the fans are requesting sideways moves. Gotcha. :001_rolleyes:
So for the many weeks, nay months that people were calling for Wallace to be dropped and or moved to hooker Griffin was correct in not doing so, then when he actually decided to do so, it was a step forward?
What about the lack of fitness of the players, should that rest on his shoulders or is that someone else,s problem?
And for the lineups, he has a major say in who is hired or fired, yet he has consistently turned out duds for Brisbane.
Maybe the biggest oversight of all was actually hiring him, his lack of ability to bring together a group of players and mould them into a team that is mildly competitive is really starting to show.
Not that much has changed since the departure of Henjak, there is no cohesion, playing positions are not cemented for all but a few and we are still without a fit football team with decent halves and if anything apart from Hodges our roster of backs has gone......backwards.
Finally, hiring a wooden spoon winning coach from the previous year as a defensive coach is like hiring a blind person to be your tour guide.
What a mess.
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Why does the form second rower start on the bench?
Waynesaurus
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The Storm really showed how far we are off the pace of the top teams. It's actually embarrassing.
