The 2 Points and Byes.

[levikade]

Firstly, i see absolutely nothing wrong with a draw as the final result in a 'regular season' match. I think splitting the points is perfectly fair and may lead towards a less congested ladder, possibly resulting in less teams with an inferior win/loss record making the 8.

Unfortunately, i dont see the NRLever reverting back to draws, in an era of always determining a winner 'for the sake of the fans.' What i'd like to change is the points setup as to reward a team that loses in extra time. No one can tell me a team that goes 80 mins to be equal with another team and then goes on to lose in golden point is on par with a team that loses within the 80 min. period.

Without changing the points system much at all, i see no reason why teams losing in extra time cannot be rewarded with one point. Or to word it better: In a match where the result is drawn, the points will be split, a further point will be awarded to the winner of a ten minute golden point period.

Thoughts?

 

[mick]

I agree, but have been a real advocate of this system happening for a while:

4 points - win
3 points - golden point win
2 points - draw after golden point
1 point - loss in golden point
0 points - loss

This somewhat rewards teams for going the full match and losing in golden point, just as it takes away from teams that can't get the job done in the regular eighty minutes.

Don't know if it'll happen ever, though.

 

[Guest]

This system recently got implemented in the NHL where a winning team in normal time gets 3 points, a win in overtime gets 2 and an overtime loss gets 1 (I can't recall whether they get 2 or 1 point for a draw)

It seems to be working fine there but then again they have about 10000% more games go into overtime than we do.

I don't really see a great need to change from what we have. Mind you, if the Broncos lose 5 straight golden point games I might change my tune!

 

[mick]

a win is a win, a loss is a loss - why reward a team for losing?

Well, the team didn't get beaten in 80 minutes, so I think there should be some reward for taking the game that far.

Ideally, I'd like to fark it off and just play 80 mins during the season (reserve golden point for finals, tests and origins only). But the NRL love it now, so meh. If we had to have extra time, i'd prefer it to be an extra 15 minutes all up, so there's less chance of just seeing a field goal shoot out.

 

[Nashy]

a win is a win, a loss is a loss - why reward a team for losing?

2 points for a win and 0 points for a loss is fine with Frank. what Frank does think needs changing is the way byes are handled. why do teams get 2 points for a bye? is it just so that theres 0% chance of a team finishing the season on 0 points? every team gets the same amount of points from byes over the season, so the points cancel each other out. giving teams 2 points when they have their bye just stuffs up the ladder cause you have to take into account who has had their bye and who hasnt.

either get rid of points for byes, or start everyone on 2 points (or 4 points if they have 2 byes).

Can't agree more.

 

[mick]

[quote="mick!":2nt2d14o]
Ideally, I'd like to fark it off and just play 80 mins during the season (reserve golden point for finals, tests and origins only). But the NRL love it now, so meh. If we had to have extra time, i'd prefer it to be an extra 15 minutes all up, so there's less chance of just seeing a field goal shoot out.

Frank has no problems with a draw either, unless its a match where a result is needed like a final. as for extra time, it should be first try wins - no field goals, no penalty goals.[/quote:2nt2d14o]

Amen [eusa_clap.gi

Golden try would be SENSATIONAL! Could you imagine that in a final!!

 

[levikade]

i just dont think an extratime loss should be regarded the same as a loss in the regular 80 mins. take the extreme example Souths (who else) getting flogged by 30, and then a top of the tale clash going into extra time, decided by a field goal. i dont think its justified that an extra time loser getting nothing for their troubles, when you consider in years gone by the points would have been split at the end of 80 mins.

and, i think the single points would only help to break up the ladder, im not one for watching teams reach the finals after recording more losses than wins.

better not get started on the concept of finals. all ill say is a top six makes more sense and leave it there haha

 

[levikade]

oh and golden try.. im not for it. i think just have an extra ten minutes. i dont like teams losing all structure and games turning to a scrap heap chasing elusive points. i think ten minutes extra, allowing teams to perhaps stick to their normal gameplan and grind it out for another ten minutes.

 

[Charmamba]

[quote="Frank the Tank":1jb8rab8]a win is a win, a loss is a loss - why reward a team for losing?

Well, the team didn't get beaten in 80 minutes, so I think there should be some reward for taking the game that far.

Ideally, I'd like to fark it off and just play 80 mins during the season (reserve golden point for finals, tests and origins only). But the NRL love it now, so meh. If we had to have extra time, i'd prefer it to be an extra 15 minutes all up, so there's less chance of just seeing a field goal shoot out.[/quote:1jb8rab8]


So Like Soccer where its generally "Extra time is 2 halfs of 10minutes"

so even if you score in the first 30seconds into extra time you still have to defend for another 20minutes. so why take a field goal straight up if the other team can score a try and overtake you.

Althou 20minutes is to much maybe just 10minutes if still no result draw the bastard

 

[mick]

Spot on draggx. And yes, I'd say 10 minutes would suffice in our game (20 mins works well for football, but they're two very different codes!!).

That way, we could still see a bit of a shootout but there wouldn't be SO much advantage gained by either side when it comes to one simple error here or there - they could still have time to recover even if they fall behind.

 

[levikade]

spot on

 

[Coxy]

What I don't understand is that if a draw is unacceptable after 80 minutes, why is it suddenly acceptable after 90 minutes? And yes, it does happen that golden point games go the distance, especially given the difficulty some teams have in kicking field goals!

There was never anything wrong with a draw, and they should abolish golden point for regular season games, and keep it as true golden point (ie, keep playing until there is a result) in rep and finals games.

 

[Nashy]

Golden try? Imagine Souths Vs Cronulla, the game would never end.

Meh, personally I'd just prefer to bring back the draws.

Yep. Draws would be fine too. Just not in finals and origin.

 

[Hamm.0]

Golden Try has been floated by us mere fans for ages, but none listen. It would create a orsm spectacle. Why should a team slog out for 80 minutes, just to have some twirp chip it over from 40 out??

Nearly as bad as watching Yawnion.

 

[Coxy]

Golden Try has been floated by us mere fans for ages, but none listen. It would create a orsm spectacle. Why should a team slog out for 80 minutes, just to have some twirp chip it over from 40 out??

Nearly as bad as watching Yawnion.

Agreed, but as said, it could go on forever! [icon_lol1.

But make it just for finals and rep games, regular season games should be draws.

 

[Hamm.0]

Golden Try has been floated by us mere fans for ages, but none listen. It would create a orsm spectacle. Why should a team slog out for 80 minutes, just to have some twirp chip it over from 40 out??

Nearly as bad as watching Yawnion.

Agreed, but as said, it could go on forever! [icon_lol1.

But make it just for finals and rep games, regular season games should be draws.

Agreed, absolutely perfect. icon_thumbs_u

Agreed. Can you raise it at the next 2020 please?

 

[Coxy]

Sorry, it's far too practical for a 2020 summit. Maybe if I suggested in the case of draws we have 13 robots on 13 battle it out to the death it'd get a mention.

 

[Jeba]

I reckon it is fine the way it is but if I had it my way this would be the way to go:

Two periods of 5 minutes each way extra time, teams can kick field goals or penalty goals, but a field goal or penalty goal does not mean the end of the game. If a team scores a try, end of the game. Try scorer is the winner. But the teams can take the one or two point lead and if they can sustain that until the end of the 5 minutes each way, they win the game. If they have a one or two point lead and get a try scored against them, they lose.