The 2 Points and Byes.

[Jargernaut]

I reckon it is fine the way it is but if I had it my way this would be the way to go:

Two periods of 5 minutes each way extra time, teams can kick field goals or penalty goals, but a field goal or penalty goal does not mean the end of the game. If a team scores a try, end of the game. Try scorer is the winner. But the teams can take the one or two point lead and if they can sustain that until the end of the 5 minutes each way, they win the game. If they have a one or two point lead and get a try scored against them, they lose.

i like this idea, but what if one team kicks 4 field goals and the other scores a try right at the end. The rule would say the try scoring team would win but the scores would be equal.

 

[Coxy]

Like I did with Origin, I'm going to throw out a question and ask for a compelling argument as to why.

What is wrong with a draw?

Nobody has yet convinced me that a draw is a bad result in a game of football, apart from where a winner is required (eg finals, rep games etc).

Fire away.

 

[Ari Gold]

Without changing the points system much at all, i see no reason why teams losing in extra time cannot be rewarded with one point. Or to word it better: In a match where the result is drawn, the points will be split, a further point will be awarded to the winner of a ten minute golden point period.

Thoughts?

What's wrong with it is all of a sudden one game will have THREE points on offer whilst the others will only have two. Two teams are playing on a Monday in Round 26, they are both on level points with 8th spot but with inferior for and against. You don't need me to tell you what kind of incentive exists there.

The idea of offering 3pts for some games and only 2pts for other games is quite frankly a ridiculously bad idea, but I do agree that a draw after 80mins should be acceptable, especially seeing as that it is acceptable after 90mins.

 

[mick]

Exactly - a team who wins after golden point can't get MORE points than a team that wins. Thus, there's only two options... the one that I mentioned above where a normal win gets you 4 points etc., or...

2 points - A win in any form. After 80 mins, or after golden point.
1 point - A draw, or a golden point loss.
0 points - A loss in normal time.

 

[Coxy]

Yep, to rehash your 4 point idea:

4 points - win in normal time
3 points - win in golden point time
2 points - draw after golden point time
1 point - loss in golden point time
0 points - loss in regular time

 

[Nashy]

Why should the losers get anything? They lost?

Why would we reward a team for losing. We should be bringing back draws, none of this golden point crap. You can't win, but we'll give you another shot.

They have 80 minutes playing time to beat the other team, if neither of them can do that, too bad.

 

[mick]

Why should the losers get anything? They lost?

Why would we reward a team for losing. We should be bringing back draws, none of this golden point crap. You can't win, but we'll give you another shot.

They have 80 minutes playing time to beat the other team, if neither of them can do that, too bad.

We agree with you mate. We're simply saying that, IF golden point HAS to stay, then teams should be rewarded with a point even if they lose during that extra time - because they managed to keep it drawn after 80 minutes. Any such change wouldn't give teams a point for losing, but for the normal-time draw.

*sigh* is that the fifth or sixth time I've had to explain it? [icon_wink

 

[Coxy]

Why should the losers get anything? They lost?

But assuming we have extra time (and we do, so we have to consider it), a team who gets beaten 71-6 (hi Newcastle!) gets 0 points.

A team who is level with their opponent after 80 minutes and then loses to a field goal in the 88th minute also gets 0 points. To me that's unfair. If you're going to have golden point/extra time/whatever you want to call it, you have to acknowledge that being level after 80 minutes is still an achievement deserving of points.

Why would we reward a team for losing. We should be bringing back draws, none of this golden point crap. You can't win, but we'll give you another shot.

They have 80 minutes playing time to beat the other team, if neither of them can do that, too bad.

However, this I agree with. It should be a draw. But as Frank said, the NRL have decided draws are unacceptable, they're kissing your sister, they're an anti climax, and so want to manufacture results as often as possible.

Fine, if they want to behave that way, the points system has to be fair.

PS: 2 points for a bye, or 0 points for a bye, makes no difference at the end of the competition, so it's not an issue (Afterall, that's what the subject is about!).

 

[Coxy]

PS: 2 points for a bye, or 0 points for a bye, makes no difference at the end of the competition, so it's not an issue (Afterall, that's what the subject is about!).

it makes no difference at the end, but it screws everything up during the season.

If it's 0 points it still screws things up. Look at the top 3:

Brisbane 12 (6-2-0)
Melbourne 12 (5-2-1)
Titans 12 (6-2-0)

If you didn't award points, Melbourne would be on 10, and be 3rd. Then as soon as the Broncos and Titans have their bye, and the Storm win a game, they're level again.

You either let teams who have had their bye look like they're going better than they are, or worse than they are. If ladder position midseason had any bearing on the end result you'd be concerned, but it doesn't, so it's a non-issue.

 

[Jeba]

I reckon it is fine the way it is but if I had it my way this would be the way to go:

Two periods of 5 minutes each way extra time, teams can kick field goals or penalty goals, but a field goal or penalty goal does not mean the end of the game. If a team scores a try, end of the game. Try scorer is the winner. But the teams can take the one or two point lead and if they can sustain that until the end of the 5 minutes each way, they win the game. If they have a one or two point lead and get a try scored against them, they lose.

i like this idea, but what if one team kicks 4 field goals and the other scores a try right at the end. The rule would say the try scoring team would win but the scores would be equal.

Good point mate.

 

[Jargernaut]

I reckon it is fine the way it is but if I had it my way this would be the way to go:

Two periods of 5 minutes each way extra time, teams can kick field goals or penalty goals, but a field goal or penalty goal does not mean the end of the game. If a team scores a try, end of the game. Try scorer is the winner. But the teams can take the one or two point lead and if they can sustain that until the end of the 5 minutes each way, they win the game. If they have a one or two point lead and get a try scored against them, they lose.

i like this idea, but what if one team kicks 4 field goals and the other scores a try right at the end. The rule would say the try scoring team would win but the scores would be equal.

Good point mate.

it would probably be more of an issue for the TAB hehe.

 

[Beachy]

I reckon it is fine the way it is but if I had it my way this would be the way to go:

Two periods of 5 minutes each way extra time, teams can kick field goals or penalty goals, but a field goal or penalty goal does not mean the end of the game. If a team scores a try, end of the game. Try scorer is the winner. But the teams can take the one or two point lead and if they can sustain that until the end of the 5 minutes each way, they win the game. If they have a one or two point lead and get a try scored against them, they lose.

i like this idea, but what if one team kicks 4 field goals and the other scores a try right at the end. The rule would say the try scoring team would win but the scores would be equal.

Good point mate.

it would probably be more of an issue for the TAB hehe.

We'll still win :D

 

[Charmamba]

I reckon it is fine the way it is but if I had it my way this would be the way to go:

Two periods of 5 minutes each way extra time, teams can kick field goals or penalty goals, but a field goal or penalty goal does not mean the end of the game. If a team scores a try, end of the game. Try scorer is the winner. But the teams can take the one or two point lead and if they can sustain that until the end of the 5 minutes each way, they win the game. If they have a one or two point lead and get a try scored against them, they lose.

i like this idea, but what if one team kicks 4 field goals and the other scores a try right at the end. The rule would say the try scoring team would win but the scores would be equal.

Good point mate.

it would probably be more of an issue for the TAB hehe.

We'll still win :D

If a team felt the need to kick 4 field goals they deserve the loss :P

But yeh ok 4 field goals one try still a draw given conversion was missed.. then it is a definate draw

 

[WayBDay]

I'm all for the draws! I found the city/country result fair enough and if teams draw they both deserve something. The byes thing doesn't bother me.

 

[WayBDay]

Yep, to rehash your 4 point idea:

4 points - win in normal time
3 points - win in golden point time
2 points - draw after golden point time
1 point - loss in golden point time
0 points - loss in regular time

thats pretty cool but, the 2 points for a win is so rugby league to me _woohoo_

 

[Coxy]

I know, it's worked since 1908. But then, so did draws, so I don't have a problem with the points system changing to accommodate it.