Tom Dearden Discussion

We cant afford to bank our entire season on the shoulders of a 19 year old halfback and neither can Seibold next year. He needs viable first grade options if he gets injured again. It would be a different scenario if Dearden was a Cooper Cronk but he isn't. He is a kid who has played 5 games. He cant be seen as the saviour immediately.
 
rnabokov said:
Um, I fail to see the connection between "us playing guys like Boyd and Turpin in the halves" and a recruitment scenario where we might lose Dearden.

First, Boyd and Turpin played a lot of games because of injuries to both Dearden and SOS, and when available, SOS was ignored - stupidly in my view by Seibold preferring Turpin.

Of course, the real issue is as you say a failure of vision, a failure of proper strategic thinking in recruitment years ago, ignoring the halves, resulting in no halves, a play making disaster compounded by persisting with the blinkered Macca at 9.

As far as competition for positions is concerned, great! I totally agree. Let it happen, but in that case, let's not whinge when someone like Dearden gets offered better money and opportunities elsewhere. Recruitment is one thing, retention is another. What's the basis of a sound retention strategy?
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If he gets offered better money and opportunities, then that is great but he is contracted and not going anywhere.
 
Roosters are stockpiling some half's now that Cronks going....kinda makes sense when the best team in the comp is doing it...

Competition for places is healthy...Dearden inst going anywhere and will continue to both develop and acclimate to life in a NRL team.

Whta id like to see though going forward is Dearden being the first of many NRL quality half's beginning to be developed and promoted by the club...not some one-off...this club more than any other should have no issues finding and nuturing them given the resources and catchment area available to us...
 
This could also be a warning shot to Milf. It is saying this is no longer your team. We would like to be part of it but you are not irreplaceable. Come back in shape or you are coming back to reserve grade.
 
Sproj said:
This could also be a warning shot to Milf. It is saying this is no longer your team. We would like to be part of it but you are not irreplaceable. Come back in shape or you are coming back to reserve grade.
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I disagree, besides Fifita / Haas he has been the only thing keeping this team going. He gets a lot of hate considering he needs to account for not having a 1,7 or 9 in the team.
 
Morepudding said:
I disagree, besides Fifita / Haas he has been the only thing keeping this team going. He gets a lot of hate considering he needs to account for not having a 1,7 or 9 in the team.
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He earns a mill a year
DCE takes the same blame at manly cause of his pay packet too. Milf can’t afford to have shit games and not be singled out for them
 
Agree with the thoughts expressed about Tom Deardon.

This season shows that the team is being run by committee not by the coach. Too much chopping and changing and inexplicable decisions.

For the sake of the club, and its long-term health, Tom Deardon should be given a crack at No. 7 next year, not Brodie Croft of Sezer.

Milford's form dropped off because he was carrying too much responsibility. If he's back at No. 6, he can run and/or kick - not catch bombs as well and run it back.

If the club brings in Croft or Sezer it just sends the wrong message to the entire team. We missed the opportunity with Drinkwater. Not sure if there's a good English fullback we can sign.
 
Morepudding said:
I disagree, besides Fifita / Haas he has been the only thing keeping this team going. He gets a lot of hate considering he needs to account for not having a 1,7 or 9 in the team.
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I'm inclined to cut him slack for the same reasons. He's a ball running 5/8 who's done a terrific job of developing his kicking game and game management to a decent level considering it wasn't what we bought him here for and since Hunt left we haven't even bothered to give him a proper Halfback to help out. I'm prepared to hold my judgement back until I've seen him alongside a proper Halfback for a while.
 
kooly87 said:
I'm inclined to cut him slack for the same reasons. He's a ball running 5/8 who's done a terrific job of developing his kicking game and game management to a decent level considering it wasn't what we bought him here for and since Hunt left we haven't even bothered to give him a proper Halfback to help out. I'm prepared to hold my judgement back until I've seen him alongside a proper Halfback for a while.
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Exactly. He hasn't been able to do what he is good at because he has had to also make up for everyone elses slack. Instead of replacing the numpties like Boyd, Macca, Nikorima etc in the past, they just tried to change milford to make up for it. I honestly feel sorry for the guy. If the stories of Melbourne going after him were true, he should have taken it. I'm confident that if he was playing alongside someone like Smith, Cronk, DCE or even Cleary, he would be the most dominant 6 in the game, sort of like Keary is at the moment.
 
Foordy said:
He is not an option for at least half of 2020 ... Maybe even all of it ... Since he has an ACL injury
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Such a terrible injury for him as he was slow with two good knees. He’ll probably end up being one of those players who’ll need a fresh start somewhere else.
 
kooly87 said:
We honestly should be in no rush with Dearden. He's really, really young and in reality to expect him to go from MM Cup to the NRL full time with only a handful of Queensland Cup games in between is a monumental ask. He pulled us out of a real hole last season but I think we'd be doing everyone involved a favour if we gave him the breathing space to spend a full season in Queensland Cup to develop himself while we sort out the rest of our squad and in another season's time he might be banging down the door to be picked, at which point we could move a seasoned player like Sezer on to make way for him.

If we choose to play him as our starting Halfback next season without having some insurance to protect that risk, I think it would be suicidal. Aside from the potential for his form to not be good enough over an extended period, you have a teenager who may find the physical aspects of week to week NRL too much as well. The warning signs are already there this year that his body could use some more conditioning to get him up to speed.
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Kid had syndismosis of the ankle tried to come back aggravated it .
How is that an example of his body needs more conditioning ?

Never heard of conditioning the ligaments that hold the bones of the leg together have you ?

Marty Deutschmann said:
I don't understand the Dearden wraps. Ive not seen anything really out of him apart from effort.. not really a kicking game or much.
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I saw a tricky little banana kick that led me to believe he has plenty of skills .
Just shy to use them .
I liked the way he took the line on . Halves that just continually shuffle the ball on put pressure on the outside backs because the defence knows they can slide as the half won`t run the ball .
 
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dazzat99 said:
Agree with the thoughts expressed about Tom Deardon.

This season shows that the team is being run by committee not by the coach. Too much chopping and changing and inexplicable decisions.

For the sake of the club, and its long-term health, Tom Deardon should be given a crack at No. 7 next year, not Brodie Croft of Sezer.

Milford's form dropped off because he was carrying too much responsibility. If he's back at No. 6, he can run and/or kick - not catch bombs as well and run it back.

If the club brings in Croft or Sezer it just sends the wrong message to the entire team. We missed the opportunity with Drinkwater. Not sure if there's a good English fullback we can sign.
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...im not sure you can actually be serious with this...?

Not having a dig but..

Sezer and Croft have more NRL games than both Dearden & SoS combined; we don't even have a statistically valid sample size for both to make ANY sort of determination about what their first grade future with the club will look like?

You don't **** around with your halfback, neither of ours are NRL ready....they "may" never be NRL ready (i doubt it but..). Sezer and Croft are far more experienced and with Croft in particular his ceiling hasnt been touched yet.

Did John Plath have a successful career with Broncos? Did Brisbane find a way to include Ben Walker in the team when Alf and Kev (and Plath!) were here?

Having depth in this position is HARDLY a problem to lose sleep over...
 
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