Twenty20 vs ODI vs Tests

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Coxy

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The debate continues about the relative merits of 20/20 etc. Few people doubt that Twenty20 is capturing a previously untapped market for cricket - the people who just can't be fucked watching a game all day or for five days.

Like it or not (I'm not a fan really), it's going to help make cricket marketable to new countries and markets that wouldn't have a bar of it otherwise (eg USA).

The problem with the format to me is it is almost entirely dependant on the first 5 overs of each innings. If either team loses early wickets then they can't amass or chase a good total. Last night's game was a case in point, Queensland losing 5 wickets quickly, and despite a great unbeaten 6th wicket partnership 149 was never going to be enough if Victoria managed to keep their wickets under control...which they did.

Test cricket simply can't be lost. It's the pinnacle. The enthralling Tests in Sydney in the last few years have shown that. Gripping contests that came down to the wire. Ian Chappell is making suggestions like reducing it to 4 days, making it day/night and play 110 overs a day, 4 sessions. There's some merit to ideas like that.

The big question mark, IMO, is the future of One Day Internationals. Frankly, they're pretty boring. Yeah there's some good ones, but they generally follow a formula:

Team A wins toss and bats.
Team A tries to get off to a quick start while field restrictions are in place.
Team A then consolidates and just knocks the ball around for singles until about the 35th over.
Team A then ups the tempo if they have wickets in hand by having power plays etc in the last 15 overs and go for a bit of a bash.

Team B then bats and tries to not lose early wickets but match pace with Team A.
If Team B loses early wickets it's almost all over.

The only time it gets interesting is if Team B does manage to preserve most of their wickets and match the rate of Team A so then their final 10-15 overs is a tit for tat bashathon with their opponents.

Better yet, the games where the pitch is a mine field and wickets tumble in both innings and it's a dour struggle to chase down say 200 or 180 are even better.

But how do you fix 50-over cricket? Frankly it's not easy. The rules have been tinkered so often with power plays etc etc, and it still tends to be formulaic.

My main suggestion is to get rid of the stupid 5 and 7 match series between 2 teams...they're tedious and drawn out and boring. 3 match series, max, or else have a 3-team series (2 games against each other team + a single final) to at least generate some interest.

I read another suggestion on the Courier Mail today which I'd never thought of but which actually could be very interesting. Split the 50-over games into 4 innings of 25 overs. So it works a bit like a Test.

Team A bats for 25 overs (a bit like Twenty20).
Team B bats for 25 overs.
Team A bats again for 25 overs and sets the target for Team B to chase.
Team B chases.

It's 20-20 in a way, but it also takes away a bit of the luck factor as I described with T20 above.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
 
I started reading thinking "make one dayers two innings of either 20 or 25 overs per innings" and then you went and said it, so I don't really have much to add. :P I'd like to see it given a trial at the least.

But here's an idea for Twenty20.. instead of losing wickets as such, teams should be penalised, say, five runs when someone gets out. Of course the batsmen still leaves the field when they get out but the batting order would just rotate through (ie one down to eleven then back up to one again).

It would mean that sides would always bat out the full twenty overs but still be penalised for losing wickets.
 
Ive always wondered why in Tests they can make up time by starting earlier and finishing later that they just adhere to these times.

The test championship seems like a good idea but needs to be run right.
Day/night tests bring up 2 issues - the ball and the night conditions. We all know what happens to the team batting second in ODI's with some dew around.

ODI's are good for the first and last 15 overs.Its the 10 overs of tapping singles that make it boring.

20/20 make everyone bar the keeper bowl 2 overs each, or nominate your 1 or strike bowler who can bowl 4 and have the other 12 overs made up from the others
 
ODI's still have their place IMO. Nobody bought up how boring they are before 20/20 was introduced, and I love watching a 50-over run chase after a good total from the side batting first. I really don't think much needs to be changed.

I have never been a fan of 20/20 but I love the Big Bash and Champions Leagues. International 20/20 and IPL don't interest me in the slightest. The worst thing about 20/20 is that it makes Cameron White looks like a decent cricketer [icon_thumbs_do

But I can't see why people think that an exciting ODI game is not as exciting as a 20/20. What about such classics as the 1999 World Cup semi? You never get that sort of finish in a 20/20 game.
 
Dont forget the master of the run chase Michael Bevan, how many great escapes did he pull off?

The NZ and Windies ones are the most prominent.
 
Meh, I've found ODI's dull for a decade. Exceptions happen, but in general it's an overly predictable format.
 
I haven't given much thought about the merits of this idea, but perhaps many of the rules and restrictions that have come into ODI's over the years should simply be removed?

Things like leg-side wides, fielding restrictions, bouncers per over, bringing the ropes in, highway pitches, yada yada. Make it virtually Test Match conditions with the only major variable being the number of overs - be it 50, 40 or 2 x 25. Just let the bat and ball fight it out without any help rather than stacking everything in favour of the bat for the sake of the audience's alleged 'viewing pleasure'.

Again, no idea if it would work but I'm always keen on ways that promote a fair contest in cricket. I love seeing the ball getting smashed to all parts of the ground as much as anyone, but only when it's earned on the batsman's own merits.
 
My feeling re ODI's is that they're fine the way they are; I'd happily keep following them.

If there is a change I'd make though, it would be to reduce the number of outfield players allowed in the non-powerplay overs. Perhaps only two allowed out in the powerplay overs, then 3 or 4 in the non-powerplay overs (I think it's currently 5?). One of the good things about tests is seeing the field brought in to cut off singles, which means the batsman has to get more creative and perhaps take more risks with their shots. If they can't clear the infield then it starts to bring run outs into the equation. Playing on roads and allowing easy singles for 15 overs per innings isn't the most thrilling cricket.
 
Agreed Coxy, with 2001/2002 NZ tour of Australia, (and tri series with SA) being the exception. But only because we actually stood up in that series, both in tests and the ODI format.
 
NZ has a regular habit of standing up to Australia. I can't remember which world cup it was, but beforehand Australia did a tour of NZ and the Kiwis belted us for 300+ in each of the ODIs and won them all I think.

Australia went on to win the World Cup.
 
Coxy said:
NZ has a regular habit of standing up to Australia. I can't remember which world cup it was, but beforehand Australia did a tour of NZ and the Kiwis belted us for 300+ in each of the ODIs and won them all I think.

Australia went on to win the World Cup.

Mind you, the grounds they were playing on in that tour were about as big as my backyard - plus we had such luminaries as Mick Lewis bowling for us... [icon_non
 
Coxy said:
NZ has a regular habit of standing up to Australia. I can't remember which world cup it was, but beforehand Australia did a tour of NZ and the Kiwis belted us for 300+ in each of the ODIs and won them all I think.

Australia went on to win the World Cup.

That series was right after the Aussies lost the tri series to England after the 2007 Ashes also. 2007 World cup it was.
 
Meat77 said:
Coxy said:
NZ has a regular habit of standing up to Australia. I can't remember which world cup it was, but beforehand Australia did a tour of NZ and the Kiwis belted us for 300+ in each of the ODIs and won them all I think.

Australia went on to win the World Cup.

Mind you, the grounds they were playing on in that tour were about as big as my backyard - plus we had such luminaries as Mick Lewis bowling for us... [icon_non

It was the Chappell Hadlee series where Matty Hayden scored an awesome hundred on one leg. In one of those games we had them at 5 for not much and they ended up winning with balls to spare.
 
Browny said:
Meat77 said:
Coxy said:
NZ has a regular habit of standing up to Australia. I can't remember which world cup it was, but beforehand Australia did a tour of NZ and the Kiwis belted us for 300+ in each of the ODIs and won them all I think.

Australia went on to win the World Cup.

Mind you, the grounds they were playing on in that tour were about as big as my backyard - plus we had such luminaries as Mick Lewis bowling for us... [icon_non

It was the Chappell Hadlee series where Matty Hayden scored an awesome hundred on one leg. In one of those games we had them at 5 for not much and they ended up winning with balls to spare.

Yeah Fat pig Mcmillian smashed a ton I remember that.
 
the state competition has had it all over the internationals this summer. All 3 competitions have been very close with each team capable of beating each other. and how good have the young bulls been (well except for the sheffield shield batting, and the choking)!
 
Agree Sam. How good are the young bulls bowlers? Feldman, Swan (not that he's that young), Cutting....Alister McDermott can't even make the team! Future is in good hands.
 
Coxy said:
Agree Sam. How good are the young bulls bowlers? Feldman, Swan (not that he's that young), Cutting....Alister McDermott can't even make the team! Future is in good hands.

They bowled South Australia out for 72
 

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