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[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Would you stop with the comment that anyone that does not agree with your rose coloured view of the Broncos and Bennett is listening to the Sydney media. To be honest with you, it makes you sound like a petulant 12 year old (I could think of a few other adjectives, but I will keep it clean). Reasonable people will hold different opinions to yours. This does not mean that they have been influenced by anyone.

As to your comment re the initial Broncos squads from 1988 to 1993, out of interest, how old are you? Bennett had the benefit of picking the eyes out of the Queensland state of origin squad for his initial squad. You know, people like Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Greg Dowling, Greg Conescu, Langer. They were in fact superstars. He then added to that squad players like Gillmeister, Lazarus, Peter Jackson etc. Your comment that he developed those players is nonsensical.

And in the last three years, Green has coached a team to the premiership over us in 2015 and coached a wounded team without two of their best players to a grand final last year. In what universe has Bennett out-coached Green in the last three years?

Haha I'm probably older then you judging by your tough guy attitude/child like response? You cannot be serious haha..

Yes I do remember 1988-93. So what happened from 93-2006? Our most successful years. Did those players learn their trade elsewhere?

And re-read the comment regarding Paul green. Deadset you have pretty much negated everything I have said. And get rid of the tough guy attitude and just answer the questions, if I sound 12 you would be lucky to be 6 years old judging by your response.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Would you stop with the comment that anyone that does not agree with your rose coloured view of the Broncos and Bennett is listening to the Sydney media. To be honest with you, it makes you sound like a petulant 12 year old (I could think of a few other adjectives, but I will keep it clean). Reasonable people will hold different opinions to yours. This does not mean that they have been influenced by anyone.

As to your comment re the initial Broncos squads from 1988 to 1993, out of interest, how old are you? Bennett had the benefit of picking the eyes out of the Queensland state of origin squad for his initial squad. You know, people like Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Greg Dowling, Greg Conescu, Langer. They were in fact superstars. He then added to that squad players like Gillmeister, Lazarus, Peter Jackson etc. Your comment that he developed those players is nonsensical.

And in the last three years, Green has coached a team to the premiership over us in 2015 and coached a wounded team without two of their best players to a grand final last year. In what universe has Bennett out-coached Green in the last three years?

And yes... if someone is repeating what the media is currently saying about someone without pointing out facts then I do think they are being heavily influenced by the media. Not your fault, maybe you just don't realise it...

 

[lynx000]

He was taught by Bennett and outside of a last second premiership over us Bennett actually has a better record then him the past 3 years.

So what part of that have I misinterpreted? I thought that was a fairly clear assertion by you that Bennett had been better performed (aka out-coached) Green in the last three years? What is your rationale for that? I have given you mine for saying that is wrong.

You did not answer the question as to how old you are, I am genuinely interested in a response?

You really should go back and read some of your posts where you accuse others who hold different opinions to yours of being blindly led by the sydney media. If you cannot see how juvenile you sound, I think you might be beyond assistance.

 

[lynx000]

And yes... if someone is repeating what the media is currently saying about someone without pointing out facts then I do think they are being heavily influenced by the media. Not your fault, maybe you just don't realise it...

You might assist me where I have posted anything about Bennett in this thread that has been said in the Sydney media?

 

[GCBRONCO]

Would you stop with the comment that anyone that does not agree with your rose coloured view of the Broncos and Bennett is listening to the Sydney media. To be honest with you, it makes you sound like a petulant 12 year old (I could think of a few other adjectives, but I will keep it clean). Reasonable people will hold different opinions to yours. This does not mean that they have been influenced by anyone.

As to your comment re the initial Broncos squads from 1988 to 1993, out of interest, how old are you? Bennett had the benefit of picking the eyes out of the Queensland state of origin squad for his initial squad. You know, people like Wally Lewis, Gene Miles, Greg Dowling, Greg Conescu, Langer. They were in fact superstars. He then added to that squad players like Gillmeister, Lazarus, Peter Jackson etc. Your comment that he developed those players is nonsensical.

And in the last three years, Green has coached a team to the premiership over us in 2015 and coached a wounded team without two of their best players to a grand final last year. In what universe has Bennett out-coached Green in the last three years?

To be fair to Bennett he inherited much that initial 1988 side he didn't have much say over who was recruited that was much left to the board members at the time they were recruiting players while trying to sign Bennett, to say Bennett(who wasn't even their first initial pick for the job, that was Jack Gibson who declined but told them Bennett was the man for the job) picking the eyes out of the Queensland state of origin squad is misleading and somewhat insulting he didn't play that part, the club did that, they also took gambles on Chris Johns and Terry Matterson who weren't exactly superstars, Bennett certainly helped develop those two after they joined the club.

Bennett only really got say over recruitment afterwards and Glenn Lazarus(1992), Peter Jackson (1989) and Kevin Walters (1990) he had previously helped developed and coached. Michael Hancock, Andrew Gee, Alan Cann, Mark Hohn, Kerrod Walters, Paul Hauff, Steve Renouf, Willie Carne, Juilian O'Neill, John Plath(and I could dig even further but I won't) are just some of the talent that would go on to be critically important in the coming seasons and he certainly developed those players. It should also be noted Bennett probably made the toughest decision any coach has had to make in the best interests of the club, sack Wally Lewis as captain and make way for Kevin Walters, to do that in the State of Queensland when he was and still is of godlike status was unthinkable. You had both the media and daily phone polls on if he should be sacked, Wally reinstated as captain, Kevin Walters and Gene Miles to be sacked etc People think the press surrounding Lodge has been enormous that was nothing compared to the circus going around back then. The fact the board didn't just fold under the daily barrage and sack Bennett was an amazing display of trust. He repaid them and then some.

Bennett is far from perfect, in fact his time at the Knights was easily his worst in the NSWRL-NRL era of his coaching career and he probably lost a bit of shine there on his career. However Bennett has played his part in getting the club heading in the right direction after the Henjak/Griffin era and deserves some dues for that. That doesn't mean his not open to criticism during this time either, if it's justified I don't have a problem, some of it I feel it is, in some ways I feel he is more reluctant to make the tough calls then he previously would, particularly his attachment to Boyd. That being said I have more trust in him then the majority of coaches in the game at present, his time will come to an end though, his job is to prepare us for the long term and that is what he is doing.

 

[lynx000]

To be fair to Bennett he inherited much that initial 1988 side he didn't have much say over who was recruited that was much left to the board members at the time they were recruiting players while trying to sign Bennett, to say Bennett(who wasn't even their first initial pick for the job, that was Jack Gibson who declined but told them Bennett was the man for the job) picking the eyes out of the Queensland state of origin squad is misleading and somewhat insulting he didn't play that part, the club did that, they also took gambles on Chris Johns and Terry Matterson who weren't exactly superstars, Bennett certainly helped develop those two after they joined the club.

Bennett only really got say over recruitment afterwards and Glenn Lazarus(1992), Peter Jackson (1989) and Kevin Walters (1990) he had previously helped developed and coached. Michael Hancock, Andrew Gee, Alan Cann, Mark Hohn, Kerrod Walters, Paul Hauff, Steve Renouf, Willie Carne, Juilian O'Neill, John Plath(and I could dig even further but I won't) are just some of the talent that would go on to be critically important in the coming seasons and he certainly developed those players. It should also be noted Bennett probably made the toughest decision any coach has had to make in the best interests of the club, sack Wally Lewis as captain and make way for Kevin Walters, to do that in the State of Queensland when he was and still is of godlike status was unthinkable. You had both the media and daily phone polls on if he should be sacked, Wally reinstated as captain, Kevin Walters and Gene Miles to be sacked etc People think the press surrounding Lodge has been enormous that was nothing compared to the circus going around back then. The fact the board didn't just fold under the daily barrage and sack Bennett was an amazing display of trust. He repaid them and then some.

Bennett is far from perfect, in fact his time at the Knights was easily his worst in the NSWRL-NRL era of his coaching career and he probably lost a bit of shine there on his career. However Bennett has played his part in getting the club heading in the right direction after the Henjak/Griffin era and deserves some dues for that. That doesn't mean his not open to criticism during this time either, if it's justified I don't have a problem, some of it I feel it is, in some ways I feel he is more reluctant to make the tough calls then he previously would, particularly his attachment to Boyd. That being said I have more trust in him then the majority of coaches in the game at present, his time will come to an end though, his job is to prepare us for the long term and that is what he is doing.

I accept and agree with everything that you say, and it is a very fair summary. I am not agitating for a coach change at all. I just take issue with being lectured by a certain poster that people on here are incapable of independent thought and forming their own opinions.

I recognize however (as you do) that Bennett is not without faults, and I simply wonder whether he is becoming more entrenched in his ways as he is getting older, and that there may be some basis to criticisms of some of his thinking. This is a fault we old farts experience as time rolls on. The reality is that we must be starting to get to the stage that we start looking to the future regarding our coach, rather than to the past. I just hope that the club is looking to better manage the transition than what they have in recent history.

 

[Porthoz]

Why does the Bennett discussion always end up with his sycophants having a go at anyone criticising the man.

Everyone I can think of at BHQ, recognises his achievements and strengths. Since AP is gone, I can't recall seeing a single person wanting Wayne out of the Broncos.

Doesn't mean he's perfect, or immune from criticism or contrary opinions about any of his decisions.

 

[GCBRONCO]

I didn't have a go at anyone certainly not Lynx000, his entitled to his opinion and I even said some of the criticism about him of is justified. By all means criticise where warranted, but just because I offer a counter opinion doesn't mean I'm having a go at the other side. The only thing I felt was unfair was perhaps implying he simply pulled the best out of the Queensland SOO team at the birth of the Broncos, he didn't the club was in charge of the initial recruitment.

If I gave that impression I'm sorry Porthoz, it certainly wasn't my intention. I may be a big supporter of Bennett, but he is human and he is prone to mistakes like anyone else.

 

[Porthoz]

I didn't have a go at anyone certainly not Lynx000, his entitled to his opinion and I even said some of the criticism about him of is justified. By all means criticise where warranted, but just because I offer a counter opinion doesn't mean I'm having a go at the other side. The only thing I felt was unfair was perhaps implying he simply pulled the best out of the Queensland SOO team at the birth of the Broncos, he didn't the club was in charge of the initial recruitment.

If I gave that impression I'm sorry Porthoz, it certainly wasn't my intention. I may be a big supporter of Bennett, but he is human and he is prone to mistakes like anyone else.

This was definitely not directed at you mate. I actually liked your post. :wink:

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

So what part of that have I misinterpreted? I thought that was a fairly clear assertion by you that Bennett had been better performed (aka out-coached) Green in the last three years? What is your rationale for that? I have given you mine for saying that is wrong.

You did not answer the question as to how old you are, I am genuinely interested in a response?

You really should go back and read some of your posts where you accuse others who hold different opinions to yours of being blindly led by the sydney media. If you cannot see how juvenile you sound, I think you might be beyond assistance.

"Outside of the premiership" green has finished an average of 5th on the ladder, Bennett has finished an average of 3.33... how juvenile I sound? The irony is amazing... you literally had nothing to do with the discussion but felt you needed to interject by saying I sound 12 and that you'd like to call me names? how old I am? Seriously? Haha

 

[Wolfie]

Who are we going to get anyway if we replace Bennett? The current alternatives dont fill me with confidence.

Anyway, Bird for lock :D

 

[lynx000]

I didn't have a go at anyone certainly not Lynx000, his entitled to his opinion and I even said some of the criticism about him of is justified. By all means criticise where warranted, but just because I offer a counter opinion doesn't mean I'm having a go at the other side. The only thing I felt was unfair was perhaps implying he simply pulled the best out of the Queensland SOO team at the birth of the Broncos, he didn't the club was in charge of the initial recruitment.

If I gave that impression I'm sorry Porthoz, it certainly wasn't my intention. I may be a big supporter of Bennett, but he is human and he is prone to mistakes like anyone else.

Mate, I certainly did not take it that way, hence my post acknowledging the validity of your points in your reply.

 

[Kyall]

Who are we going to get anyway if we replace Bennett? The current alternatives dont fill me with confidence.

Anyway, Bird for lock :D

Geoff Toovey would be a great option.

 

[lynx000]

"Outside of the premiership" green has finished an average of 5th on the ladder, Bennett has finished an average of 3.33... how juvenile I sound? The irony is amazing... you literally had nothing to do with the discussion but felt you needed to interject by saying I sound 12 and that you'd like to call me names? how old I am? Seriously? Haha

You are still not answering the question I see. But in the interest of the sanity of other posters I will not carry this on any further.

If it is of vital importance to you where the team finishes after round 26, then yes your mathematics are correct. But in reality, 2015, they finished 1st, 2017 they finished 2nd and in 2016 they knocked us out of the finals 26-20. So tell me again how Green has been out coached?

 

[lynx000]

Who are we going to get anyway if we replace Bennett? The current alternatives dont fill me with confidence.

Anyway, Bird for lock :D

As I posted above, I am not agitating for change. I simply hope we have a proper succession plan in place and don't stuff it up this time around.

 

[winslow_wong]

As I posted above, I am not agitating for change. I simply hope we have a proper succession plan in place and don't stuff it up this time around.

Yep. bennett isn't getting any younger and his contract is fast expiring so there better be some sort of succession plan in motion already. Bennett himself should be leading and part of that transition process too because the henjak and griffin eras still give me the heebies.

 

[tommy]

Why does a poster's age matter?

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

You are still not answering the question I see. But in the interest of the sanity of other posters I will not carry this on any further.

I was born before the broncos and old enough to remember every single grand final. Yourself? Why such a personal question? Does it enhance your argument in anyway? I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve with that question? Does it prove or show anything?

I wanted an end to this before you even started. Not sure why you started trying to name call and ask my age? It's actually quite, um, unusual....