Wally: Why isn’t Alf in Immortal debate?

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ALLAN Langer has become the forgotten man in the Immortal debate but Wally Lewis says the champion halfback deserves to be a front runner as the next inductee.

Langer has won four premierships, played 25 Tests, 34 Origins, won a Clive Churchill Medal, Rothman’s Medal and Dally M Medal.

His credentials are peerless. He was the premier halfback in the late 80s and early 90s yet he could be denied Immortal status for the third time when judges convene next year.

Lockyer, the Broncos champion, is expected to be announced as the ninth Immortal in a gala ceremony next year.

He retired in 2011 and if he is voted in it would mean he is the second playmaker to become an Immortal since Langer retired in 2002.

Influential Immortals judge Roy Masters believes the each Immortal should be the best player of the past 10-20 years, ruling out Meninga and Langer.

Andrew Johns was chosen ahead of Langer and Meninga in 2012.

Lewis, named as the sixth Immortal in 1999, said Langer should be the prime contender alongside Mal Meninga and Darren Lockyer.

“Alf has to be there with Mal and Locky,” Lewis told The Courier-Mail.

“He deserves it considering his wonderful achievements over a 13 year career.

“When Andrew was named as an immortal, it swept Alf under the carpet a bit and while that is not Andrew’s fault I just hope Alf is still in the running.

“It is totally understandable that Mal and Locky are considered front runners but Allan Langer must be a real consideration.

“His achievements at the Broncos were extraordinary.”

Rugby League Week magazine owns the Immortals concept and will begin a voting process early next year.

Langer was among the final ten players considered for the eight Immortal position in 2012.

Others short listed in 2012 were Ron Coote, Norm Provan, Peter Sterling, Brad Fittler, Laurie Daley and Meninga.

If Lockyer is named an Immortal next year, it could rule out Langer and Meninga from ever receiving the title.

There are several players from Queensland’s record shattering Origin team that have rights to Immortal status, including Cameron Smith, Johnathan Thurston, Greg Inglis and Billy Slater.

The panel judging will include Lewis and the four fellow surviving Immortals in John Raper, Reg Gasnier, Bob Fulton and Graeme Langlands.

Other to vote will be ARLC chairman John Grant while typically coaching greats Masters and Wayne Bennett, past Rugby League Week editors, commentators Ray Warren and Ray Hadley and historian David Middleton are also involved.
 
The Immortals concept should have finished with that original group.

Clive Churchill - Best Player of the 50s
Johnny Raper - Co-Best Player of the 60s
Reg Gasnier - Co-Best Player of the 60s
Bob Fulton - Best Player of the 70s

Recognition of four amazing players before the game changed and became what we know and love today.

Wally receiving recognition was a nice touch but beyond that, it's all just click bait.
 
Masters' criteria rules out Thurston, Smith is far and away the best player still playing the game.
 
I hope Lockyer is the 9th tbh. But I wouldn't be mad if someone like Coote or Provan gets it. As long as it's not Fittler or something.
 
Ditch the awards run by magazines and newspapers and take control of them.

We apparently have a Hall of Fame yet we never hear about it.
 
I'm a fan of the AFL system tbh. I can't remember the specifics but basically they have a hall of fame (which actually gets used!!!) and a higher award than that called Legends(?). A legend can only be named after there have been 100 hall of fame inductees.

On the Langer debate, if you've been passed over once, then that's it imo. Same goes for Mal.
 
I hope Lockyer is the 9th tbh. But I wouldn't be mad if someone like Coote or Provan gets it. As long as it's not Fittler or something.

Fittler deserves some kind of special award. What he achieved in his career was legendary.
 
Hall of fame for sure.

Exactly, someone like Brad Fittler deserves to be recognised post-career as an upper echelon player. He will never be an immortal, but surely there can be a place for the other elite players of the game to be recognised. Hall of Fame gives them that. I seriously don't know why it's not utilized and we only celebrate 8 guys for 107 years of the sport.
 
Fittler is definitely Hall of Fame worthy, but what I think Unbreakable is getting at is that Lockyer was a better player in his era and should be recognised before him.

I could be out of line here, but it seems like Freddy's career suffers somewhat from being overrated. This was a player the media kept trumpeting as the best player in the game, a once in a lifetime player and he was the poster child of the ARL during the Super League war. However, Freddy didn't live up to those claims until his final few years. He wasn't terrible or anything, but as far as the hype was concerned, he wasn't THE guy and even in his final few years, there were a few players in-front of him.

In 2002 it was Joey Johns
In 2003 it was Darren Lockyer, Craig Gower or Joey Johns (take your pick)
In 2004 it was Darren Lockyer or Danny Buderus

Great player, but not THE representative of his era.
 
There is a Rugby League Hall of Fame, it just hasn't been uterlised since 2007.

Here is the current list

Clive Churchill
Reg Gasnier
Johnny Raper
Graeme Langlangs
Bob Fulton
Wally Lewis
Dally Messenger
David Brown
Wally Prigg
Keith Holman
Arthur Beetson
Mal Meninga
Harry Bath
Norm Provan
Kev Irvine
Harold Horder
Frank Burge
Vic Hey
Jimmy Craig
Chris McKivet
Duncan Thompson
Brian Bevan
Brian Carlson
Ken Kearney
Sid Pearce
Charles Fraser
George Trewek
Duncan Hall
Peter Sterling
Arthur Halloway
Tom Gormon
Joe Pearce
Harry Wells
Keith Barnes
Mick Cronin

They could definitely use some more company.
 

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