What's people's problem with kicks???

[Jeba]

Been many issues lately with fans emailing a host of Rugby League talk shows asking for rules changes with regards to tries being scored off kicks. Seriously - what bought this on???

I know it can be frustrating when your team has defended like champions but then the opposition scores from a bomb which didn't take a lot of skill, but a try is a try and should be worth 4 points. Some have suggested that conversions after tries off kicks should be abolished... [icon_shru This would just cause unneccesary confusion in our game and would not help to bring new fans watching the game. If someone is watching Rugby League for the first time and saw a try scored off a pass and 4 points awarded, then sees another try only rewarded with 3 points, they would just get totally confused and nearly give up watching. = not good!!!!

Did THAT try from Billy Slater in Origin 2004 deserve less than 4 points?? NO!!!!

Did the superman grab from Israel Folau in Origin 3 this year deserve less than 4 points?? NO!!

I could live with maybe shortening in in-goal areas to encourage more ball playing but keep the damn points system the way it is.

 

[rnabokov]

Been many issues lately with fans emailing a host of Rugby League talk shows asking for rules changes with regards to tries being scored off kicks. Seriously - what bought this on???

I know it can be frustrating when your team has defended like champions but then the opposition scores from a bomb which didn't take a lot of skill, but a try is a try and should be worth 4 points. Some have suggested that conversions after tries off kicks should be abolished... [icon_shru This would just cause unneccesary confusion in our game and would not help to bring new fans watching the game. If someone is watching Rugby League for the first time and saw a try scored off a pass and 4 points awarded, then sees another try only rewarded with 3 points, they would just get totally confused and nearly give up watching. = not good!!!!

Did THAT try from Billy Slater in Origin 2004 deserve less than 4 points?? NO!!!!

Did the superman grab from Israel Folau in Origin 3 this year deserve less than 4 points?? NO!!

I could live with maybe shortening in in-goal areas to encourage more ball playing but keep the damn points system the way it is.

Must be the 7 dwarves from the Central Coast Snow Whites.

 

[Kimlo]

It's silly to suggest, I think instead the defending team should be allowed to bat the ball out and still get it back IF it's from a kick this will encourage the attacking team to put it through the hands.

 

[guppy]

Give me a try off a kick over a dummy-half try any day.

 

[rnabokov]

I agree Jeb, I honestly have no problems with tries scored from kicks. Some people say they aren't exciting - Dunno about that. I love seeing a winger leap, grab the ball out of the air and put it down for a try. I know a few ones can be a little boring, for example a grubber that turns into a mess and every player on the field has their hand on the ball. But most others are great to watch.

But honestly, kicking the ball and getting it to the right man isn't as easy as some people think. Firstly you have to have a kick who is accurate, and you also need wingers and centres who can time themselves for the catch. It's not an easy thing to do, it involved a bit of planning and patience. It should not be worth any less than 4 points.

Great point - totally agree.

 

[Je$ter]

It's bollocks.

There would be too many grey areas - ie if a bomb was put up, caught inflield and went through 10 or so hands, does that try deserve less than an intercept or a dummy half try? Does Israel Folaus ariel antics deserve less, just because it was scored off a kick. Surely not.

 

[Hamm.0]

Guys, this hasn't been brought up by a heap of footy shows, it has been brought up by a circle of half-witted monkeys, known collectivly as the Channel 9 commentry team, the Footy show (both the real Sunday one and that excuse for entertainment on Thursday) and The Sunday roast.

So basically, that's about 6-7 "commentators" in total. Unfortunatly, we all know who they are.

Firstly, IMHO, this has been brought up because QLD and the Storm (soon to be the Broncos) have massive wingers and are on the verge of pwning League for the next 5 seasons. The sad little Sydney Boys Club can't compete and they know this.

Secondly, how is it boring? Grubbers and Bombs are as old as the hills, it is far from a new concept. The only thing that has changed is clubs producing bigger wingers.

NSW won 04,05 SoO by using their (at the time) massive backs. Queensland learnt and started to select bigger outside men. Then the NRL en masse realised the potential for big (tall) outside backs.

The "problem" of predictablity isn't with the kicks, it is with the coaches not having caught up yet. Within a season or two, coaches will know how to combat said attacking kicks and soon a new way of scoring will emerge. The ebb and flow of football.

If I was a coach? I would have my outside backs being trained by a special coach, brought up from VFL (and AFL if affordable) clubs, teaching players how to mark a ball. Billy Slater, Israel Falou and Greg Inglis actually "speccy" the defensive wingers and fullbacks, thereby pushing them out of the way and gaining higher altitude. Once the defensive backs learn to time their jumps better, they will be quite ineffective. Also, my defensive players would be trained, that if they can't catch a bomb, hit it out. Seriously, bat the ball dead....you give away a drop out, but soon the attack will get fustrated and try a different way to score.

In summary, have you noticed that Inu, Falou, Inglis, Slater NEVER (at least never I can remember) get "speccied" the way they do to their opposition? It's called training and coaching. The Sydney Boys Club should give up whinging and start earning their keep, because quite obviously, a new element of the game has them stumped.

 

[lyn]

That is so stupid. People should stop bitching and leave the game as it is. It is a great game as it is so why change it!. Go watch some other stupid sport if you don't like League how it is.

 

[The Brizz]

I do agree with all in goals being 5 metres, makes getting repeats harder and will only improve kicking skills rather than make us see less kick tries.

 

[bianc]

Much rather see a well constructed try with the ball passing through half dozen hands,grubber from Locky at the end if need be,and Hodgo,Wallace whoever grounding the ball.4points.than the old put her up on the 5th and big men jump. 4pts.
Do not like all these trys off kicks because Broncos don't& won't jump which is frustrating.

 

[mick]

Been many issues lately with fans emailing a host of Rugby League talk shows asking for rules changes with regards to tries being scored off kicks. Seriously - what bought this on???

I know it can be frustrating when your team has defended like champions but then the opposition scores from a bomb which didn't take a lot of skill, but a try is a try and should be worth 4 points. Some have suggested that conversions after tries off kicks should be abolished... [icon_shru This would just cause unneccesary confusion in our game and would not help to bring new fans watching the game. If someone is watching Rugby League for the first time and saw a try scored off a pass and 4 points awarded, then sees another try only rewarded with 3 points, they would just get totally confused and nearly give up watching. = not good!!!!

Did THAT try from Billy Slater in Origin 2004 deserve less than 4 points?? NO!!!!

Did the superman grab from Israel Folau in Origin 3 this year deserve less than 4 points?? NO!!

I could live with maybe shortening in in-goal areas to encourage more ball playing but keep the damn points system the way it is.

Couldn't agree more.

In fact, some of the best and most memorable tries in the game's history have come from kicks, as you've outlined above! IMO kicks are a great attacking weapon that always provide great entertainment, atmosphere and tension for fans and players alike - the positioning, strength, wind, propensity for errors/miracles etc. makes them a great part of our game.

 

[Je$ter]

Pretty much hit the nail on the head there Hammo. Clubs ie those in Sydney can't keep up with the Monahagns, Folaus, Inglis' and Slaters who possess awesome aerial skill.

The Dragons have started using the sheilding tactic, which isn't all that new or revolutionary, it is just that they know how to utilise it well - 3 or 4 fringe (pivot, centre, 2nd rower) form a sheild and become 'sleepers' just to slow down or mess up the timing of the jumper.

Manly tried it on Hayne but what Menzies did was more of as soon as Hayne jumped, he came in to sheild by copping his legs, which is a bit of a dangerous practice if it evovles into spoiling a jump by making contact with a players legs flipping them.

 

[Steve]

I must be the only one here then who hates tries from kicks. I'd argue the first instinct of many teams on tackle 5 is the cross-field bomb to the wingers. In fact sometimes I think it's the only point of attack in Braith Anasta and Brett Kimmorley's (sp?) game. It's very predictable and there are a host of teams that do it. Canterbury were the club which almost pioneered the concept with Sherwin and now clubs like Cronulla, Sydney, Gold Coast, Melbourne and even us do it. Maybe I'm a minority but I find it shit boring. I love seeing tries through the hands and while I'm not doubting there is skill involved in kicking accurately to wingers IMO the practice is over-utilised in the modern game.

I'm not for rule changes but I'm definitely in favour of shortening the in-goal areas. Less kicking and more passing through the hands please.

 

[Coxy]

No Steve, I'm with ya. My view isn't to change the value of tries from kicks, but to remove the lottery tries from bombs and grubbers in goal.

I have said it before, I want the rules changed so that you have to carry the ball across the try line to score a try. That is, to score from a kick, the kick has to be fielded before the try line and carried over.

If the ball goes over the try line, a drop out can be forced if the attacking team regathers and grounds it. If the defending team regathers it and grounds it, 20 metre restart.

Much harder to earn a line drop out. Much harder to score a try.

In the Under 20s game against the Bulldogs, the Broncos' last try was an absolute classic. Cross field kick from about the 40 metre line, caught by the winger 20 metres out, beat the cover and scored. Those sort of kicking tries are breathtaking.

The ones where you put bomb up into the in goal, 4 people jump for it, gets dropped and in the mess they somehow find a try...blech!

Although admittedly the rules I'd prefer would mean Queensland lost the Origin series this year - Folau's brilliant take and try would not have been scored. Oh well.

Perhaps it can be refined to allow a clean catch and grounding to be a try, but if the opposition touches it, or it's tapped backwards or whatever, it's not a try.

I don't know, I just hate the messiness of bomb and grubber tries in goal.

 

[Browny]

Sorry off topic but whats the go with Archer and his 70m " rugby union" advantage? He's done it against us earlier in the season and now in Knights game.

I like Coxy's idea catch the bomb in field and then "El Masri" it over the try line.

 

[Jeba]

No Steve, I'm with ya. My view isn't to change the value of tries from kicks, but to remove the lottery tries from bombs and grubbers in goal.

I have said it before, I want the rules changed so that you have to carry the ball across the try line to score a try. That is, to score from a kick, the kick has to be fielded before the try line and carried over.

If the ball goes over the try line, a drop out can be forced if the attacking team regathers and grounds it. If the defending team regathers it and grounds it, 20 metre restart.

Much harder to earn a line drop out. Much harder to score a try.

In the Under 20s game against the Bulldogs, the Broncos' last try was an absolute classic. Cross field kick from about the 40 metre line, caught by the winger 20 metres out, beat the cover and scored. Those sort of kicking tries are breathtaking.

The ones where you put bomb up into the in goal, 4 people jump for it, gets dropped and in the mess they somehow find a try...blech!

Although admittedly the rules I'd prefer would mean Queensland lost the Origin series this year - Folau's brilliant take and try would not have been scored. Oh well.

Perhaps it can be refined to allow a clean catch and grounding to be a try, but if the opposition touches it, or it's tapped backwards or whatever, it's not a try.

I don't know, I just hate the messiness of bomb and grubber tries in goal.

I see what you're saying but that just makes things too complicated IMO.

And what happens if a bomb goes up centrefield, comes down 5m out from the tryline and there is a mess with everyone trying to get the ball, but the ball dribbles out to someone bludging out the back to carry the ball over the line?? The messiness would still be there and worth 4 points and a brilliant take like Folau's would be worth nothing.

 

[The Brizz]

I think 5m in goals is the only reasonable idea here. It will improve kicking skills and creativity but will also see sides be more inclined to chance there arm as repeats will be harder to achieve. Best of both worlds.

 

[Hamm.0]

I see what you're saying but that just makes things too complicated IMO.

And what happens if a bomb goes up centrefield, comes down 5m out from the tryline and there is a mess with everyone trying to get the ball, but the ball dribbles out to someone bludging out the back to carry the ball over the line?? The messiness would still be there and worth 4 points and a brilliant take like Folau's would be worth nothing.

I understand what Coxy is trying to say (very similar to Oztag's grubber rule), however, effectivly all it will do, it teach the kicker's to land the ball 1 metre in from the try line, so it will be the exact same result, except when they come down, they will have to take 1 or 2 steps to score. Before long the kicks will be so perfect that the players will be leaping from the field of play into the in-goal, which will mean even more video ref.

I honestly reckon, once marking coaches are in the game, en masse (which will be this off season, maybe next), kicks won't be as effective.