What's people's problem with kicks???

[Hamm.0]

The thing is, things come and go in Rugby League. The game changes all the time, different tactics, different styles of play - the kick may even fade out eventually who knows.

You watch, in the next few years you're going to see a team combat the kick to perfection - Then every team will try and do it then the kick will fade out.

So...in a nutshell, what I just said? [icon_wink

 

[Coxy]

i hope you're right hammo and coaches work out how to nullify kicking tries more. Because our game is getting dull at the moment.

 

[mrslong]

If you nullify tries from kicks, then that brilliant Lockyer - Kemp try wouldn't have meant as much, I sometimes prefer the try off the kick than watching some Brett Finch type character throw a forward pass to a winger who then scores...

 

[Coxy]

If you nullify tries from kicks, then that brilliant Lockyer - Kemp try wouldn't have meant as much, I sometimes prefer the try off the kick than watching some Brett Finch type character throw a forward pass to a winger who then scores...

In the Coxy Kicking Rules, the Kemp try would still have been fine because the kick was made and fielded within the field of play icon_thumbs_u

 

[mick]

It's just a cycle really, as Rocky said.

2002 saw the gang tackle era come along. The Roosters were the first to do it, best exponents of it and it won them the game.

That era hung around for a few years, before we saw coaches then focus on young, fast and talented ball players in the backline to nullify that defence. The Wests Tigers and Cowboys made the GF in 2005 solely on the back of their ability to exploit fast moving and packed defensive lines with their little fellas.

But that in itself prompted the rise in prominence of the smaller fullback/wingers, so coaches have implement kicking across field to bigger blokes who can jump, and defend well on the edges, to beat that. It's just tactics... they go around and around and around and I'm sure things will be very different in 2-3 years yet again.

 

[mrslong]

e Wests Tigers and Cowboys made the GF in 2005 solely on the back of their ability to exploit fast moving and pack defensive lines with their little fellas.

[icon_ee gross!

 

[renouf]

Teams are working for the kick now.. like St.George's attack on Monday against Melbourne was bombs, they were in good field position quite a few times but did nothing the entire set and worked for the bomb on the 5th tackle. That is boring footy if they do it for the entire 80 minutes

 

[Broncos08]

It's bollocks.

There would be too many grey areas - ie if a bomb was put up, caught inflield and went through 10 or so hands, does that try deserve less than an intercept or a dummy half try? Does Israel Folaus ariel antics deserve less, just because it was scored off a kick. Surely not.

Well I have finally got my computer back up and running.

Anyway, Jester to answer you question, I had sent an e-mail to Andrew Voss about this situation and here is the response I had got back from Vossy.

Here is the question I had asked

"It's just going to open up another can of worms, when A player taps the ball back to a support player to score a try from a kick.

What's going to happen when a player chip kicks or a small grubber then regathers and passes the ball? is it still going to be only worth 4 points?"


Vossy's response

"Hello mate,

What's going to happen was your question. It is obvious. Any try that involves a kick from 30 metres in has no conversion attempt.

If it encourages more creative attack with ball in hand I don't think it's a bad thing. But that's just my opinion.

Thanks for the email. Don't be afraid to put your name on it."

Vossy


So according to Vossy's email, any try that has a kick involved in the play doesn't matter how many times you have passed the ball previous or after a kick it's only going to be worth 4 points.

I am absolutely cringing at that thought.

 

[mrslong]

I honestly can't see it happening....it'd be madness.

 

[rnabokov]

So corners and high chips and crosses should also be demeaned in soccer?

Let's therefore solve the problem - have no in-goal at all.

I mean, given the above discussion, why have an in-goal area at all?

 

[Clintos]

I don't like that one bit. Some amazing tries have been scored from kicks, and removing them would take out a very entertaining part of the game. I can see why they want it changed, but I just don't see how it's possible.

As for the in-goals. I think 5m might be too small. Make it 8m like it is in Melbourne.

 

[Coxy]

Abolish in goal altogether. Once it's over the try line the ball's dead. Simple!

 

[rnabokov]

Abolish in goal altogether. Once it's over the try line the ball's dead. Simple!

Exactly.

If you have any in-goal area, then you can't complain about tries from kicks. End of story, and if you have a team of midgets get Snow White to complain to the NRL.

 

[Hamm.0]

How boring is a game going to be, when the score is 8-6 after 80 minutes, because you can't kick, blah, blah, blah.

The whole thing is a cruel joke, brought about by a small pack of morons, who unfortunatly work in media

This whole debate adds further weight to my thread ages ago about media types influencing the game and having conflicts of interest.

Pathetic.

 

[Fozz]

A try is worth 4 points, doesn't matter how it is scored.

Otherwise we end up with Yawnion crap with a rule book bigger than the Tax Act.

 

[Roger Explosion]

I just can't believe that seemingly smart guys like Vossy are promoting crackpot rules. Newsflash, cross-kicks are already punished, the conversion is out wider and it is harder to kick.

Firstly, I wouldn't change anything. Got no problem with the current balance, but I can understand if people disagree. But I'd hate to see things like the Inglis/Gasnier try in the test and Falou's brilliant work in Origin 3 taken out of the game.

If you are compelled to reduce the power of the kick, there are some sensible rules you can bring in. The easy one is the shorter in-goal. Doesn't take out the try from the kick, but it does increase the skill level involved (essentially making every kicker in the comp have to play as well as Kimmorley when he was Melbourne). Might have the extra benefit of finally doing something about the scary metal fence one metre from the dead ball line at Mount Smart.

Even then, I'd miss the drama of a player trying to get out of a deep in-goal after a good grubber kick.

So yeah, I vote for change nothing. Besides, Issy plays for us next year.