Young broncs in feeder clubs

[1910]

Yet it's been noted by alot of people that have played and are apart of the game.
If you can't see it then maybe you're the ignorant one, most of these teams only have a couple of quality players that will make the step up to nrl .

Yet a potential Broncos team for round one has 14 ISC players.

The role of the ISC is not to have 17 NRL players in every team. It's a mixture of guys on their way up and guys on their way down and some that are happy playing ISC and being a roofer during the day.

The Sheffield Shield doesn't have each state with 11 Test players, some guys will play 30 games for WA and some will play 130 and never play a Test and you're trying to produce through your pathways a Fifita that played every grade for Souths from Under 16.

The ISC is very good at preparing young players by playing against men and housing the three Queensland team and Melbourne's talent until they need them and producing it's own talent that goes to the NRL as well quality football for the guys that play ISC and aren't going anywhere.

 

[Kooly87]

Yet it's been noted by alot of people that have played and are apart of the game.
If you can't see it then maybe you're the ignorant one, most of these teams only have a couple of quality players that will make the step up to nrl .

I'm not exactly sure what you're point is supposed to be? The Queensland Cup doesn't produce enough talent? Compared to what? It's the second largest source of playing talent in the world, behind the NSW Cup, and produces NRL talent around at a ratio that's about in line with the difference in population between the two states.

Your bemoaning the talent in the Queensland Cup, but unless you're suggesting we start growing them in a lab (which I assume is how they created Payne Haas) then I'm not exactly sure what your alternative would be.

 

[Big Pete]

If you look at South Sydney and how they've been able to enter their own team into the NSW Cup, it does seem strange that the most successful club in the game won't follow suit. You would have to think the Broncos would want to invest as much money as they could to be the most successful club in the sport and would want all their players from Under 16s on to learn their systems.

From what we know, the players spend the majority of their week at Red Hill. If they fail to make the first grade side, they're dismissed to their affiliate club where they will spend one session. If they're 18th or 19th man they may not even receive that luxury and may only appear during the warm up where they'll have to adjust. While there is some value in having to adapt on the fly, it just seems like an unnecessary distraction.

Plus your dealing with the agendas of four different clubs. With a Broncos QRL side, it would just be one of the assistant coaches working in association with the head coach to try different things and develop talent which is ultimately what the Broncos want to get out of the competition.

From a fan perspective as well, it would provide some added value to their ticket which can be as high as $68 and you could potentially get three grades of football. Broncos fans would be more engaged with the team and it would give the Broncos website more content. They could also give their UQ students some experience writing articles for the website.

I can see how the NRL squad limits could pose a problem since at most you can have 36 which leaves only two extra players. However, Souths, Penrith, Warriors and Newcastle seem to manage so there's some wriggle room there.

Yes, Toowoomba folded but that was 14 years ago. The Broncos should spare no expense trying to be the strongest club it can possibly be and if that means sinking money in a Queensland Cup side so be it.

On the other hand...

I would find it difficult to believe that the QRL would want to expand, especially with an NRL licensed club. It's in their best interest to spread the NRL talent around, getting fans to attend and tune into as many games as possible to see the next Cameron Munster or Jason Taumalolo in action.

It would also damage the Broncos relationship with the Dolphins, Devils, Magpies and Seagulls. They've been the grass roots for the Broncos for well over a decade and without their support the Broncos may never had got a chance to sign Matt Gillett, David Fifita, Anthony Milford etc.

What about cases where you've got plenty of competition for spots? You'd wind up in a situation where players wouldn't receive adequate game time because they're stuck behind experienced players. At least with the current model, there's more opportunities for players.

Further while in-house training may sound good in theory, there's nothing to suggest the current model isn't working. Both Melbourne and North Queensland have enjoyed success despite having different feeders. Sydney have basically left North Sydney to their own devices with their talent, after winning back to back premierships they seem to be fine. While all those clubs like Penrith, Newcastle and the Warriors have been disappointing. The only exception is Souths who only just entered their own NSW Cup side.

While the Broncos can afford a Queensland Cup side, it wouldn't be wise of them in the long term to make bad financial decisions. Toowoomba was a failure and ultimately the Broncos haven't really missed that arrangement. They're still developing quality players through the Queensland Cup at a similar rate to when the Clydesdales were still around.

Finally nobody showed up for the Clydesdales let alone the Broncos Under 20s side, so why would it be any different? If there was any interest in a reserve grade side, the Broncos would have produced more content - clearly their optics showed it wasn't worth their time or energy. $68 is expensive, but relatively speaking it's just above average. Other clubs have it worse and aren't expected to provide more bang for their buck.

I think that canvasses both sides?

With that said, Niu, Dearden and Paix will all start for the Magpies, so it's all moot.

 

[Aldo]

For those of you guys in the know, who is the better prospect out of Nui and Reece Walsh?

 

[Unbreakable]

For those of you guys in the know, who is the better prospect out of Nui and Reece Walsh?

Almost certainly Niu. I remember reading articles about him 5 or 6 years ago. Walsh has had a moderate amount of hype around him in the last year or two, but it's nothing compared to Niu.

Edit: Based on what I've seen of both of them, I think Niu is the better runner of the footy, but Walsh has higher potential to be a better all-around footy player, has displayed flashes of having a good kicking and passing game. His future may be at Five-Eighth.

 

[Aldo]

Almost certainly Niu. I remember reading articles about him 5 or 6 years ago. Walsh has had a moderate amount of hype around him in the last year or two, but it's nothing compared to Niu.

Edit: Based on what I've seen of both of them, I think Niu is the better runner of the footy, but Walsh has higher potential to be a better all-around footy player, has displayed flashes of having a good kicking and passing game. His future may be at Five-Eighth.

Yeah, the limited highlights I've seen of both of them, I see more Lockyer in Walsh than Niu in the way they play.

 

[Footy Fanatic]

Almost certainly Niu. I remember reading articles about him 5 or 6 years ago. Walsh has had a moderate amount of hype around him in the last year or two, but it's nothing compared to Niu.

Edit: Based on what I've seen of both of them, I think Niu is the better runner of the footy, but Walsh has higher potential to be a better all-around footy player, has displayed flashes of having a good kicking and passing game. His future may be at Five-Eighth.

Walsh definitely has a lot more nuance to his game then Niu. Hopefully he can develop well and becomes a fullback option in the future.

 

[1910]

For those of you guys in the know, who is the better prospect out of Nui and Reece Walsh?

Nui is obviously ahead because he's older and more physically developed and playing NRL but from a football perspective Walsh is ahead, Nui is a runner don't think think just run and react- that's why I think he's better in the centre.

I raved about Walsh on here in July 2018- Michael Roberts made him captain of the Queensland U16 and it was an inspired choice. He is a great communicator and got Queensland off to a great start, they couldn't keep it going but at 16 he was captain, goal kicking and scoring tries.

Tweed last year he was tremendous and really stood up once Dearden was gone, Wynnum were red hot and Tweed peaked at the right time - his two games in a row against Mackay and Souths were outstanding.

In the state final against the Steelers read the situation goes to dummy half goes the blind and scores- he's strong. Second try goes to first reciever and runs with it in two hands with Bevan outside him they waited and waited ready to tackle the forward from the short ball and Walsh forces his way over.

For Keebra Park last year he came back from injury in the Alf Cup and just blitzed ISHS. He just seems to find a way to get involved which is what I like about him and he's firey too.

Australian school boys last year, his reading of the play was great, he knew when Walker was going to kick and read the situation.

Queensland U18 last year off the bench he came on and capitalized on a bit of Niu reaction and sprinted away to score.

Every game situation over the last two years shows awareness and appropriate skill at the appropriate time.

 

[Unbreakable]

Nui is obviously ahead because he's older and more physically developed and playing NRL but from a football perspective Walsh is ahead, Nui is a runner don't think think just run and react- that's why I think he's better in the centre.

I raved about Walsh on here in July 2018- Michael Roberts made him captain of the Queensland U16 and it was an inspired choice. He is a great communicator and got Queensland off to a great start, they couldn't keep it going but at 16 he was captain, goal kicking and scoring tries.

Tweed last year he was tremendous and really stood up once Dearden was gone, Wynnum were red hot and Tweed peaked at the right time - his two games in a row against Mackay and Souths were outstanding.

In the state final against the Steelers read the situation goes to dummy half goes the blind and scores- he's strong. Second try goes to first reciever and runs with it in two hands with Bevan outside him they waited and waited ready to tackle the forward from the short ball and Walsh forces his way over.

For Keebra Park last year he came back from injury in the Alf Cup and just blitzed ISHS. He just seems to find a way to get involved which is what I like about him and he's firey too.

Australian school boys last year, his reading of the play was great, he knew when Walker was going to kick and read the situation.

Queensland U18 last year off the bench he came on and capitalized on a bit of Niu reaction and sprinted away to score.

Every game situation over the last two years shows awareness and appropriate skill at the appropriate time.

Not sure if you agree, but do you see a bit of Ponga in Walsh? In a couple of the games I watched of him the way he passed and ran the ball was very reminiscent of a young Ponga (Without the insane footwork / exaggerated sidesteps).

Edit: Maybe slightly closer to Lachlan Coote, actually.

 

[Jedhead]

Nui is obviously ahead because he's older and more physically developed and playing NRL but from a football perspective Walsh is ahead, Nui is a runner don't think think just run and react- that's why I think he's better in the centre.

I raved about Walsh on here in July 2018- Michael Roberts made him captain of the Queensland U16 and it was an inspired choice. He is a great communicator and got Queensland off to a great start, they couldn't keep it going but at 16 he was captain, goal kicking and scoring tries.

Tweed last year he was tremendous and really stood up once Dearden was gone, Wynnum were red hot and Tweed peaked at the right time - his two games in a row against Mackay and Souths were outstanding.

In the state final against the Steelers read the situation goes to dummy half goes the blind and scores- he's strong. Second try goes to first reciever and runs with it in two hands with Bevan outside him they waited and waited ready to tackle the forward from the short ball and Walsh forces his way over.

For Keebra Park last year he came back from injury in the Alf Cup and just blitzed ISHS. He just seems to find a way to get involved which is what I like about him and he's firey too.

Australian school boys last year, his reading of the play was great, he knew when Walker was going to kick and read the situation.

Queensland U18 last year off the bench he came on and capitalized on a bit of Niu reaction and sprinted away to score.

Every game situation over the last two years shows awareness and appropriate skill at the appropriate time.

Is this the same kid that Danen Kemp did a short video clip on?

 

[Sproj]

Yeah he's good, so prepare to lose him.

 

[1910]

Not sure if you agree, but do you see a bit of Ponga in Walsh? In a couple of the games I watched of him the way he passed and ran the ball was very reminiscent of a young Ponga (Without the insane footwork / exaggerated sidesteps).

Edit: Maybe slightly closer to Lachlan Coote, actually.

Walsh's strength is dummy half running, he's freakish at it. I don't think Ponga takes too many scoots.
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Is this the same kid that Danen Kemp did a short video clip on?

Not too sure, sorry.

 

[Sproj]

Walsh's strength is dummy half running, he's freakish at it. I don't think Ponga takes too many scoots.
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Not too sure, sorry.

His dummy half running - could he become a Hodges-style centre or a hooker?

 

[1910]

His dummy half running - could he become a Hodges-style centre or a hooker?

You don't want him having to do it, just doing it when he wants. He judges it very well- try against Steelers.

 

[Footy Fanatic]

You don't want him having to do it, just doing it when he wants. He judges it very well- try against Steelers.

Do you think fullback is his position projecting him as a first grader?

 

[Kooly87]

Yeah he's good, so prepare to lose him.

Can't wait to watch him down the track making a fool of us in a Roosters jersey.

 

[Fernando]

For those of you guys in the know, who is the better prospect out of Nui and Reece Walsh?

I'm definitely not in the know but from what I've seen of the two, Walsh easily. He has some aggression in his game too which I like.