And another one.. George Burgess charged.

[nopatience101]

Do you honestly believe if you rid the game of alcohol sponsorship and no beers in dressing rooms behaviour will be 100%?

Of course it won't and I never said as much, my point is that the game can do better to shape and promote a more responsible attitude to alcohol.

 

[1910]

Drinks in locker rooms reinforce the alcohol culture in the game and I don't see the need for it, you only had to see Blake Ferguson coming off the NSW team bus with half a six pack of VB in one hand and an open beer in the other.

It doesn't reinforce anything. Are you going to ban every other profession having a drink after work?

Clubs have strict rules regarding alcohol consumption. Players that do have a beer after a game in the sheds would have one or two. They aren't there all night drinking as you suggest.

They deserve to have a beer if they want after work. Same as everyone else. They don't deserve to behave like idiots same as everyone else.

 

[Mr Fourex]

The game is full of mixed messages and contradictions when it comes to alcohol, the NRL has education programs in the excess while the clubs and rep sides hold well publicised bonding sessions, beers are available in the locker rooms after a win in some instances, including the Broncos, clubs, teams and the code are sponsored by alcohol brands and then when players are caught up in alcohol related scandals the game scratches its collective head as to what the answer is. Until the code accepts its responsibility in the behaviour of its players nothing will ever improve, taking a stand is going to cost the code a lot of sponsorship money, not easy to come by, from these beer companies but then how much does it cost the code every time one of these scandals erupts, not just in monetary terms, but in participation and goodwill.

Yeah....this struck home last night. After all the panty wetting in the media about these "drunken & disgraceful RL players" .....watching the game last night on Nein,

between TW flogging his wares to all the hopelessly addicted compulsive gamblers out there, we were peppered with Carlton Mid, beer commercials

when they finally get around to cutting back to the game.....the first thing we see is a VB add painted half way across the field.

The NRL then fine a player 50K for drink driving.

It borders on entrapment......!!

 

[Porthoz]

I'm sorry, did any of those advertisements in any way endorse getting shit-faced and driving or sexually assaulting a woman?

 

[Mr Fourex]

I'm not sure .....after watching all those beer adds, for some reason I decided to have a few ales myself

kinda got a bit fuzzy after that

 

[Bucking Beads]

Responsibility seems to always be shirked. People will drink with or without the advertisements.

 

[Porthoz]

I'm not sure .....after watching all those beer adds, for some reason I decided to have a few ales myself

kinda got a bit fuzzy after that

Doesn't surprise me, you seem to have very poor judgement... :001_tt2:

 

[nopatience101]

It doesn't reinforce anything. Are you going to ban every other profession having a drink after work?

Clubs have strict rules regarding alcohol consumption. Players that do have a beer after a game in the sheds would have one or two. They aren't there all night drinking as you suggest.

They deserve to have a beer if they want after work. Same as everyone else. They don't deserve to behave like idiots same as everyone else.

I didn't suggest that at all, my point is that the game's culture encourages drinking, and part of that is allowing alcohol in the sheds, whether its one beer or two. As you say they deserve to have a beer, but they certainly don't need the game handing it to them. You cant separate their behaviour from their attitude to alcohol, which the game is partly responsible for cultivating.

 

[1910]

Dugan is a keen fisherman.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Dugan is a keen fisherman.

So glad the club pulled out of the deal. He is a moron.

 

[1910]

I didn't suggest that at all, my point is that the game's culture encourages drinking, and part of that is allowing alcohol in the sheds, whether its one beer or two. As you say they deserve to have a beer, but they certainly don't need the game handing it to them. You cant separate their behaviour from their attitude to alcohol, which the game is partly responsible for cultivating.

The game doesn't encourage drinking at all, players aren't forced to do anything or told they have to have a beer but in some sheds they're there. The game has plenty of non-drinkers- have you spoken to all of them to conclude they're encouraged to drink?

Incidents are down significantly and players today are a lot better behaved than ever before. You can't govern against stupid and an element of misbehaviour will always exsist no matter what you do. Players are better educated than ever before and the programs in place are working.

Banning beer in the sheds won't achieve anything as proven by the fact that clubs that don't have beer in the sheds have still had misbehaving players. Petero, Webcke and Thorn would have a beer together after every game in the shed- how many incidents involved them?

Problem is some players are idiots not an esky in the corner.

 

[subsbligh]

I didn't suggest that at all, my point is that the game's culture encourages drinking, and part of that is allowing alcohol in the sheds, whether its one beer or two. As you say they deserve to have a beer, but they certainly don't need the game handing it to them. You cant separate their behaviour from their attitude to alcohol, which the game is partly responsible for cultivating.

The binge drinking culture is an Australian issue, not one limited to or created by rugby league or any other professional sport.

 

[subsbligh]

The game doesn't encourage drinking at all, players aren't forced to do anything or told they have to have a beer but in some sheds they're there. The game has plenty of non-drinkers- have you spoken to all of them to conclude they're encouraged to drink?

Incidents are down significantly and players today are a lot better behaved than ever before. You can't govern against stupid and an element of misbehaviour will always exsist no matter what you do. Players are better educated than ever before and the programs in place are working.

Banning beer in the sheds won't achieve anything as proven by the fact that clubs that don't have beer in the sheds have still had misbehaving players. Petero, Webcke and Thorn would have a beer together after every game in the shed- how many incidents involved them?

Problem is some players are idiots not an esky in the corner.

Sport and/or membership to an organisation or club are social activities.

Social activities in Australia invariably involve drinking to excess.

This is the society you live in. If you find that shocking, you better go on suicide watch after a trip into the Valley, the Normanby Hotel, the Alex Hills Hotel, the Greenbank RSL, CBD pubs on a Friday night or relevantly Caxton Street this Wednesday night before our XXXX Maroons take on the VB NSW Blues.

 

[Coxy]

Absolutely. But Rugby League makes a lot of money off alcohol advertising from companies trying to get their product in as part of that binging culture. So Rugby League (and other professional sports) are a significant part of the problem.

So yes, it is a bit rich when we then chastise players for partaking in the sponsors product and getting shitfaced and badly behaved.

Alcohol abuse is probably the biggest social and health crisis of the next generation and it needs to be addressed. We dealt with smoking by banning all manner of advertising and sponsorship. Whether we need to go that far with alcohol I don't know, but there has to be some separation of the game and the drinking culture. Ditto gambling.

 

[nopatience101]

The binge drinking culture is an Australian issue, not one limited to or created by rugby league or any other professional sport.

of course it is, like most things Rugby League is a microcosm of society, but that isn't an excuse to shirk responsibility.

 

[nopatience101]

The game doesn't encourage drinking at all, players aren't forced to do anything or told they have to have a beer but in some sheds they're there. The game has plenty of non-drinkers- have you spoken to all of them to conclude they're encouraged to drink?

Incidents are down significantly and players today are a lot better behaved than ever before. You can't govern against stupid and an element of misbehaviour will always exsist no matter what you do. Players are better educated than ever before and the programs in place are working.

Banning beer in the sheds won't achieve anything as proven by the fact that clubs that don't have beer in the sheds have still had misbehaving players. Petero, Webcke and Thorn would have a beer together after every game in the shed- how many incidents involved them?

Problem is some players are idiots not an esky in the corner.

I have already said it's not a panacea, it's about shifting the culture of the game away from alcohol and beers in sheds is but ONE part of achieving that and one area where the game can be seen to send mixed messages.

You say banning beers in sheds won't achieve anything, what constructive purpose are they serving now?

I take your point and I have already acknowledged that players are equally responsible for their behaviour and there will always be idiots, my point is simply that the game has to show greater and more consistent leadership on alcohol.

 

[Porthoz]

Absolutely. But Rugby League makes a lot of money off alcohol advertising from companies trying to get their product in as part of that binging culture. So Rugby League (and other professional sports) are a significant part of the problem.

So yes, it is a bit rich when we then chastise players for partaking in the sponsors product and getting shitfaced and badly behaved.

Alcohol abuse is probably the biggest social and health crisis of the next generation and it needs to be addressed. We dealt with smoking by banning all manner of advertising and sponsorship. Whether we need to go that far with alcohol I don't know, but there has to be some separation of the game and the drinking culture. Ditto gambling.

The binge drinking culture in Australia, is much like England caused by the alcohol taboo and laws, but that is a whole other can of worms...

 

[Kimlo]

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No Cookies | The Courier-Mail

Mundine said he felt obliged to help and mentor Ferguson, and pointed to the drinking culture in rugby league as the root of the problem. "It’s a person’s choice inside if they want to stop (drinking),” Mundine explains.
"You can get them in a healthy environment. I’m actually working him mentally... giving him my experience and everything I‘ve been through coming up. I was in football through all the juniors, come through first grade and the culture hasn’t really changed.
"You win, you have a beer, you lose you have a beer and some players get injured and have beers."

As I was reading through that it sounded very familiar to what you were discussing. Mundine would know the culture of the game too, he's close to many players.