All Stars vs Indig.. news and game talk

[Flutterby]

I like your ideas Dan, but it won't happen. The NBA All Star weekend is about pure entertainment and teams selected purely on the basis of the best players in the game; whilst this NRL game is indigenous pride and highlighting/celebrating indigenous players.

 

[Huge]

We won't have to worry about injuries coming out of future indig vs the world matches as the event will only survive one perhaps two more times. Next year several coaches will voice opposition and stars will be unavailable . Their absence will be scrutinized closely by the media and public alike. Predicated on the belief that Indigenous people needed an opportunity to 'show' the world that a team of Aboriginal players could better a team comprising other races . Next we could play a team of pure white blooded people against them. Team selection would have to stipulate that there be no dark blood but that would be hard to check as we commonly have a distant relative from a dark skinned race. We'd have to make it so that each player at least had no Aboriginal blood in his background. That way , if that team won we could prove we are better without Aboriginal blood in our players. Is that right ? I'm just starting to get a little confused now about exactly what Preston or I are trying to prove.

Teams selected on race. who'd thunk it, in this day and age we could do that !!

Life expectancy .....3 games max. Mind you, that's simply my opinion.

 

[Professor47]

How is Hayne a myth Flutter!?

He still has a LOT to learn (esp defensively I guess and defensive reads) but he hardly got the ball and when he did he was pretty good.

LOL! What game were you watching? Hayne: gets ball, drops it. Tries to kick it. Drops it. Kicks it...opposition picks it up and runs away. He was utterly useless, and Joel Thompson sorted him out big time.

He showed the exact form he showed at the start of 2009. Unless he can replicate what he did at the end of 2009 he will go down as another flash in the pan.

I call bias on that one!

He was decent for an exhibition match is what I thought - he does have dumb slater like moves here and then but if you can't see the potential in him to be a big part of NSW's future then you're kidding yourself IMHO!

The 2009 start form is a tough angle imo. I think everyone would agree the Eels were just [insert word here]. I mean they couldn't beat the Sharks ffs.

My argument is that Hayne is indeed NOT a myth - on the contrary far from it.

A myth is Carl Webb. A clear example. For YEARS qld selectors and the like would continually select him and insist he would produce something 'magic' THIS game - and then the next game, and the next etc... no surprises he is not part of the nucleus of the record winning origin team. Mark my words this will not happen to Hayne - if it does I'll gladly eat humble pie.

 

[chazta]

We won't have to worry about injuries coming out of future indig vs the world matches as the event will only survive one perhaps two more times. Next year several coaches will voice opposition and stars will be unavailable . Their absence will be scrutinized closely by the media and public alike. Predicated on the belief that Indigenous people needed an opportunity to 'show' the world that a team of Aboriginal players could better a team comprising other races . Next we could play a team of pure white blooded people against them. Team selection would have to stipulate that there be no dark blood but that would be hard to check as we commonly have a distant relative from a dark skinned race. We'd have to make it so that each player at least had no Aboriginal blood in his background. That way , if that team won we could prove we are better without Aboriginal blood in our players. Is that right ? I'm just starting to get a little confused now about exactly what Preston or I are trying to prove.

Teams selected on race. who'd thunk it, in this day and age we could do that !!

Life expectancy .....3 games max. Mind you, that's simply my opinion.

i didnt think that this game was about proving whos better than who. I thought this match was used as a way to celebrate the indigenous people and there culture

 

[Coxy]

We won't have to worry about injuries coming out of future indig vs the world matches as the event will only survive one perhaps two more times. Next year several coaches will voice opposition and stars will be unavailable . Their absence will be scrutinized closely by the media and public alike. Predicated on the belief that Indigenous people needed an opportunity to 'show' the world that a team of Aboriginal players could better a team comprising other races . Next we could play a team of pure white blooded people against them. Team selection would have to stipulate that there be no dark blood but that would be hard to check as we commonly have a distant relative from a dark skinned race. We'd have to make it so that each player at least had no Aboriginal blood in his background. That way , if that team won we could prove we are better without Aboriginal blood in our players. Is that right ? I'm just starting to get a little confused now about exactly what Preston or I are trying to prove.

Teams selected on race. who'd thunk it, in this day and age we could do that !!

Life expectancy .....3 games max. Mind you, that's simply my opinion.

i didnt think that this game was about proving whos better than who. I thought this match was used as a way to celebrate the indigenous people and there culture

Tell that to the number of indigenous fans who took great pleasure in rubbing it in that "our mob are better".

I think the concept can survive, but if the scenario Huge has put down comes to pass (at least the bit about all stars being "injured" and not available) it'll go the same way AFL's State of Origin did.

 

[Je$ter]

Maybe next year instead of four nations we could have race nations?

Poly vs. Aboriginal/ Islander vs. Caucasian vs. Others (Asian, PNG etc)

Tongue planted firmly in cheek

 

[Coxy]

LOL, me likey!

 

[Professor47]

Maybe next year instead of four nations we could have race nations?

Poly vs. Aboriginal/ Islander vs. Caucasian vs. Others (Asian, PNG etc)

Tongue planted firmly in cheek

wow the OTHERS team would suck so bad..... 0_o

 

[Black Philip]

Tell that to the number of indigenous fans who took great pleasure in rubbing it in that "our mob are better".

That's pretty much the exact mentality I thought most Aborigines would have had about the game. I don't think it's a very good thing either, rather than reconcile people it may well cause division.

 

[OXY-351]

I don't think the concept as it currently stands will every take off. It will be more of a flash in the pan than Jarryd Hayne. More recessive genes than Steve Michaels.

The comparisons to origin are rediculous. You could see the players in the first game of origin were actually playing for something. It didn't seem like that the other night. Sure players tried, but they didn't seem to really care that much (they were doing things they'd never do in a "real" match), and why would they. As Coxy pointed out, only one team had anything to play for.

If they players don't care, the fans won't care, and the game will become nothing more than a farce. In my opinion, no match comprising of 40 players picked by fans is ever going to be taken seriously. It was entertainment, not a rugby league match.

 

[chazta]

Tell that to the number of indigenous fans who took great pleasure in rubbing it in that "our mob are better".

Yeh i do agree with you on this but i dont think that this is what Preston and the organisers of this event had in mind when they were planning it. and that guy with the 'U R SORRY' sign really pissed me off

 

[Coxy]

Tell that to the number of indigenous fans who took great pleasure in rubbing it in that "our mob are better".

Yeh i do agree with you on this but i dont think that this is what Preston and the organisers of this event had in mind when they were planning it. and that guy with the 'U R SORRY' sign really pissed me off

Oh definitely. That was not and is not the intention, I'm certain of that. However, intention and reality often don't match up.

This game can survive in the calendar if it is always treated, as OXY said, as entertainment, not a competitive footy match. An exhibition only. No prize for the winner. No hanging on to "head to head statistics" and such like thing.

As soon as it is billed as a genuine rep game, you watch the non-indigenous rep players make themselves unavailable. They're on a hiding to nothing. Play their best to win the game (afterall, it's a rep jumper right?) and you'll be unpopular (who really expected the All Stars to win?). Play stupid footy (sorry, entertaining footy) in what is considered a "genuine rep game" and you risk your rep future.

Anyway, we'll see what happens.

 

[chazta]

ahh ok i see what you mean and its a shame so many of the indigenous people took it that way because i respect preston campbell alot for what he was trying to do with this game

 

[Coxy]

ahh ok i see what you mean and its a shame so many of the indigenous people took it that way because i respect preston campbell alot for what he was trying to do with this game

I'm not saying "so many" took it that way, but enough did. It's just important that it's not marketed in a way that more can get that impression.

 

[Anonymous person]

A myth is Carl Webb. A clear example. For YEARS qld selectors and the like would continually select him and insist he would produce something 'magic' THIS game - and then the next game, and the next etc... no surprises he is not part of the nucleus of the record winning origin team.

yet carl webb was a big part of the win in 2001, which will forever be right up there with our best ever victories, and will forever be in origin folklore for his solo try in that first game. he will also always be remembered for his clash with Luke Bailey in 2005.

in regards to the all stars match, there were a few scenarios i could see happening:

1. the NRL all-stars give the aboriginals a pasting. 50-0 or something like that.

the aboriginals in the crowd riot, we spend weeks listening to them whinge about it saying that the NRL new it would happen like that and that they shouldnt have let the match be played. kevin rudd says sorry.

2. one of the teams wins courtesy of a controversial decision.

if its a win to the aboriginals, its alright because they deserve a free handout.

if its a win to the nrl all-stars, the aboriginals riot, we spend weeks hearing about how the NRL/referee/fans are racist. kevin rudd says sorry.

3. noone actually cares about the result.

we all just enjoy it because its a match of footy. kevin rudd probably says sorry for something.

4. the players got too riled up, biffs were on.

a one on one fight suddenly turns into a 19-and-one-ranga on 1 fight, and the NRL gives the aboriginal all-stars team a stern talking to. the NRL all-stars go to jail. kevin rudd says sorry.

 

[OXY-351]

A myth is Carl Webb. A clear example. For YEARS qld selectors and the like would continually select him and insist he would produce something 'magic' THIS game - and then the next game, and the next etc... no surprises he is not part of the nucleus of the record winning origin team.

yet carl webb was a big part of the win in 2001, which will forever be right up there with our best ever victories, and will forever be in origin folklore for his solo try in that first game. he will also always be remembered for his clash with Luke Bailey in 2005.

So you came up with only 2 memorable moments in 15 games to try and dispel the belief that Carl Webb is a myth?

That's the whole point why Carl Webb is a myth. They are the only 2 good things he's ever done

 

[Coxy]

Bingo.

 

[Black Philip]

[quote="Anonymous person":1mdagmll]

A myth is Carl Webb. A clear example. For YEARS qld selectors and the like would continually select him and insist he would produce something 'magic' THIS game - and then the next game, and the next etc... no surprises he is not part of the nucleus of the record winning origin team.

yet carl webb was a big part of the win in 2001, which will forever be right up there with our best ever victories, and will forever be in origin folklore for his solo try in that first game. he will also always be remembered for his clash with Luke Bailey in 2005.

So you came up with only 2 memorable moments in 15 games to try and dispel the belief that Carl Webb is a myth?

That's the whole point why Carl Webb is a myth. They are the only 2 good things he's ever done[/quote:1mdagmll]

Yeah pretty much. It would be awesome if he was that great in every game he played, but the reality is he is average to borderline shit most of the time.