Ashes Discussion
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Warne, Guha and Howard, my gosh, cannot stand any of them.
Fitzy
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Yeah exactly the only spell I would suggest for him is to take Asia off cause his game doesn’t suit… and get that confidence back in the end of shield and than play county and really progress his game big time. But at the same time I think he needs to stick through it.
As for the batting position I’d almost go Cameron 5 and Head 6. Head has taken on that I can bat aggressive and make late runs approach and I feel Cameron just doesn’t have the confidence in his plan or ability to formulate a proper innings. He wants a big innings so bad to just unleash and 7 isn’t going to do that and I just don’t think 6 is doing that for him either. I’m not entirely against the 7 but I think we just need to change something up whether it’s one up or one down and I think up would instill confidence and I think he would play a more natural innings for himself.
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I don't mind Guha and Howard because they are the play by play callers ... Warne is their for colour commentary and every single word out of his mouth is just garbage....
How the **** is he on the rules committee??
He doesn't even know how DRS works and earlier he was talking about replacing the ball at 65 overs instead of 80 and the umpire being able to make a call on whether the new ball should be pink or red based on time of the day.
He is an absolute moron
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His problem is that he has no filter, so he just says whatever is on his mind without thinking anything through.
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I think he still goes to Asia because they will want the opportunity to play two spinners and he can be a third seamer.
If not they would be relying on Head's offies and Marnus' part time leggies, which is risky against good players of spin.
In regards to batting position I think 6 is an odd spot... you need to be a batter that can come out and hammer it for a quick fire 50 or higher as a match changing innings, but also put together partnerships with the tail. It probably lends itself to needing a more experienced campaigner that can run through the gears a little bit or a reliable wicketkeeper batsmen that can do one of those jobs.
Green doesn't yet look like he knows how he wants to bat down at 6... I think he just wants to bat time at the crease, but it's not resulting in runs, which heaps more pressure on him. He might actually be more comfortable coming in when the score is 2 or 3 down, because most of the time you're required to be defensive and accumulate your runs in those situations.
I think he bats 4-5 in shield (
Sproj ??) and probably would be better for him, but his form has been far too poor to make that move in the near future... and Head would actually suit 6 better I think, because his lapses in concentration seemingly aren't allowing long long innings at 5, even his 150 mostly happened in a session.I think batting at 7 could help him by lowering the pressure and expectations required, but is Carey reliable enough to bat in the top 6... probably not.
I'm not really sure what the answer is really, but I think it's better if he's in and around the test team and getting ongoing coaching.
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I think he still goes to Asia because they will want the opportunity to play two spinners and he can be a third seamer.
If not they would be relying on Head's offies and Marnus' part time leggies, which is risky against good players of spin.
In regards to batting position I think 6 is an odd spot... you need to be a batter that can come out and hammer it for a quick fire 50 or higher as a match changing innings, but also put together partnerships with the tail. It probably lends itself to needing a more experienced campaigner that can run through the gears a little bit or a reliable wicketkeeper batsmen that can do one of those jobs.
Green doesn't yet look like he knows how he wants to bat down at 6... I think he just wants to bat time at the crease, but it's not resulting in runs, which heaps more pressure on him. He might actually be more comfortable coming in when the score is 2 or 3 down, because most of the time you're required to be defensive and accumulate your runs in those situations.
I think he bats 4-5 in shield (
I think batting at 7 could help him by lowering the pressure and expectations required, but is Carey reliable enough to bat in the top 6... probably not.
I'm not really sure what the answer is really, but I think it's better if he's in and around the test team and getting ongoing coaching.
Yep he bats 4 for WA and he generally starts slow and then accelerates but at 6, he doesn't really have the freedom to do that as he has to bat according to the circumstances, not his natural game. He should be batting 5 in my opinion.
BooKhaki
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Warne is just consistently wrong, and refuses to change even when he knows he is wrong. He is entering territory of being someone who just can't be taken seriously.
Warne even wanted Marsh to bat 5, then argued Usman shouldn't replace Harris next test because Harris has future potential, then decides to discuss dropping Green for him...
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Yeah I think 5 is probably the best spot for him and they could've made the move this summer... off the back of his previous summer and Head not being a guaranteed pick.
I think Head getting quick fire 30's or 50's at 6 would be more appreciated than him getting similar scores at 5... at 5 you're kind of the last recognised batsmen that can really put in a stint in the innings.
You don't anticipate or expect your 6 to hang around and bat for 1.5 days with the 7 and tail or when it's 4-300, but when you're at 5 there is an expectation that you can, at times, put together some decent partnerships having a 1-4 batsmen, and the 6 and 7 available to make runs with.
Fitzy
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Hobart test and best side
1. Khawaja
2. Warner
3. Labuschagne
4. Smith
5. Green
6. Head
7. Carey
8. Richardson/Boland *11* (Starc due a rest)
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood
I can’t see Harris staying in the side he doesn’t seem to be able to score a 100 and that’s the pre-requisite for me to be a batter in this side unless your providing otherwise Green bowling and arguably Carey keeping but I would give both of them a better shot than Harris. I respect the effort he has put in to turn it around but Australia is his home deck which he can’t score that many runs on (the odd outlier) and I can’t see him scoring runs overseas.
I’ve got Green moving up to 5 in an attempt to just spark something in a more comfortable and time friendly position. I know it may be un-realistic to expect soon with the way he is batting but you can just feel he is a 100 away from going beserk as a batter as well as continuing the form with the ball and even I dare say his gully outings. No point dropping him cause he has proven he is too good for shield and is up to scratch but at the same time something needs to change open to a drop to 7 as well.
Last point is the bowling conundrum for the last game. You’d have to say Cummins and Gaz are locks, you’d think Hazlewood would be pretty keen for a game by now. Jhye hasn’t been rewarded for his pink ball success yet and its an another D/N test. But at the same time Starc is a great Pink ball bowler and Scott is probably another good game away from demanding selection of Starc is to be rested.
1. Khawaja
2. Warner
3. Labuschagne
4. Smith
5. Green
6. Head
7. Carey
8. Richardson/Boland *11* (Starc due a rest)
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood
I can’t see Harris staying in the side he doesn’t seem to be able to score a 100 and that’s the pre-requisite for me to be a batter in this side unless your providing otherwise Green bowling and arguably Carey keeping but I would give both of them a better shot than Harris. I respect the effort he has put in to turn it around but Australia is his home deck which he can’t score that many runs on (the odd outlier) and I can’t see him scoring runs overseas.
I’ve got Green moving up to 5 in an attempt to just spark something in a more comfortable and time friendly position. I know it may be un-realistic to expect soon with the way he is batting but you can just feel he is a 100 away from going beserk as a batter as well as continuing the form with the ball and even I dare say his gully outings. No point dropping him cause he has proven he is too good for shield and is up to scratch but at the same time something needs to change open to a drop to 7 as well.
Last point is the bowling conundrum for the last game. You’d have to say Cummins and Gaz are locks, you’d think Hazlewood would be pretty keen for a game by now. Jhye hasn’t been rewarded for his pink ball success yet and its an another D/N test. But at the same time Starc is a great Pink ball bowler and Scott is probably another good game away from demanding selection of Starc is to be rested.
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We all love Cameron Green but he can't be selected averaging 28 or whatever it is with the bat, at least not as an all-rounder
The True King
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Who would you pick at 6 instead?
Fitzy
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Tell me what we get out of dropping him mate? If dominating in shield wasn’t good enough to get him to perform in test cricket with the bat than why will dropping him again do that. He has to stick it through and the best coaches in the country need to be fixing his technique not that there is anything that wrong he is just filled with uncertainty. He isn’t getting that at WA. He is an all-rounder as you said and he averages 8 less than Ben Stokes and has a better bowling average than him whilst not taking a wicket all summer last year. Ben Stokes is the benchmark and he is already not far behind him with the bat whilst ‘failing’.
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There is no way whatsoever Green should be dropped, give him time for goodness sake. This isn't just a kid batsman who might need to work on his game, this is a kid who is the future of his generation, let him grow into the role. He is performing with the ball and in the field, just let his batting come on, let him learn while the team is settled and good enough to compete with anyone. The likes of Warner, Smith, Starc and Khawaja aren't going to be around that much longer, let him drink in as much as he can from them while he can.
