Ashes Discussion

[BroncosFever]

Who would you pick at 6 instead?

There's really nobody that hasn't already been given an opportunity but I think he needs to go away and get some clarity about how he wants to bat because what he's dished up so far in The Ashes for us hasn't been good enough

His bowling has been fine, great even at times

 

[BroncosFever]

Tell me what we get out of dropping him mate? If dominating in shield wasn’t good enough to get him to perform in test cricket with the bat than why will dropping him again do that. He has to stick it through and the best coaches in the country need to be fixing his technique not that there is anything that wrong he is just filled with uncertainty. He isn’t getting that at WA. He is an all-rounder as you said and he averages 8 less than Ben Stokes and has a better bowling average than him whilst not taking a wicket all summer last year. Ben Stokes is the benchmark and he is already not far behind him with the bat whilst ‘failing’.

He needs to work on his technique, that's what he needs to do, it's been embarrassing at times. He got bowled in the first game and he was that clueless of where his off stump was that he didn't even realise he had been bowled and was taking a step back to get into his crease to avoid being run out

I absolutely get it, he's the guy with all the hype, people love him and he's easy to get around but with bat in hand, it hasn't been good enough

It's not about what we get from dropping him, it's that it allows him the opportunity to get some confidence and work on a technique that will allow him to play with freedom, he's built like a brick shithouse and is getting out poking and prodding, not knowing where his off-stump is etc.. I watched him in a one day game against QLD he was belting the ball that far, you'd think they were 2 different men. I am not saying come out in Test cricket and play T20 but fair dinkum, you can tell watching the guy that how he is batting right now is a way that you'd expect someone to bat if they were playing for a draw

I knew I wouldn't get many admirers with my comment but I don't play favourites, if you're a weak link in the team then you're a weak link in the team, it's as simple as that. If we had lost a game or 2, he would absolutely be playing BBL right now. I think the Pakistan tour is going to sort a few players our, Harris especially but to a lesser extent if things don't change and knowing the conditions in the sub-continent, I think Green's bowling won't be as impactful and if he's not making runs, where is he?

 

[Sproj]

He needs to work on his technique, that's what he needs to do, it's been embarrassing at times. He got bowled in the first game and he was that clueless of where his off stump was that he didn't even realise he had been bowled and was taking a step back to get into his crease to avoid being run out

I absolutely get it, he's the guy with all the hype, people love him and he's easy to get around but with bat in hand, it hasn't been good enough

No one is denying he hasn't been good enough with the bat compared to what he has promised in Shield, all people are saying is give him time. This isn't Marcus Harris we are talking about here.

 

[Fitzy]

There is no way whatsoever Green should be dropped, give him time for goodness sake. This isn't just a kid batsman who might need to work on his game, this is a kid who is the future of his generation, let him grow into the role. He is performing with the ball and in the field, just let his batting come on, let him learn while the team is settled and good enough to compete with anyone. The likes of Warner, Smith, Starc and Khawaja aren't going to be around that much longer, let him drink in as much as he can from them while he can.

Exactly he can grow around a mature and generational bowling cartel as well as grow with great coaching, support staff and former players all chiming in e.g. Ricky Ponting. He is also surrounded by Smith who is in the conversation for one of the best test batsman of all time. Warner is in the upper echolant of all time Aussie batsman especially openers. Than you have the likes of Head who can lead him through the struggles of emerging and media talks. Even someone like Khawaja who has scored 9 test tons and in my opinion was the rightful captain after the sandpaper-gate.

He’s got all that around him and in my opinion the only test team in the world that competes with us at the moment is India and even than at this stage with them being a bit out of form I reckon we would have our noses in front. If Khawaja opens our batting stocks are strong and Carey and Green being in form with the bat is us away from being by far the best test team in the world. We get more out of Green staying in the side than Harris especially considering I can safely say that Street and Hunt are better candidates and much more youthful than him. Harris has to go and they have to persist with Cameron.

 

[Sproj]

Carey drops one that would have been a sitter for Warner, Aside from the dismissals he took in his first test, I have not really been impressed with him to be honest. He might not have dropped many but he seems to have a lot of indecision when it comes to whether he should go for the catch or not.

 

[Fitzy]

Carey drops one that would have been a sitter for Warner, Aside from the dismissals he took in his first test, I have not really been impressed with him to be honest. He might not have dropped many but he seems to have a lot of indecision when it comes to whether he should go for the catch or not.

We’ve got a great cordon whilst Warner may look a bit dodgy in the slips his hands are about as safe as they come. Needs a little bit more faith in Warner and the carry of the ball. I think it was possibly even Carey looking to be a bit of a hero and it just went all wrong

 

[Sproj]

That is an absolute shocker by Hameed, how the heck do you let a straight through to hit the middle of middle stump?

 

[Sproj]

Oh man, that looks even worse on replay, that is something I'd expect a Chris Martin to do.

 

[BroncsFan]

There is no way whatsoever Green should be dropped, give him time for goodness sake. This isn't just a kid batsman who might need to work on his game, this is a kid who is the future of his generation, let him grow into the role. He is performing with the ball and in the field, just let his batting come on, let him learn while the team is settled and good enough to compete with anyone. The likes of Warner, Smith, Starc and Khawaja aren't going to be around that much longer, let him drink in as much as he can from them while he can.

You make a good point regarding the old heads... we're not far off losing Warner and co.. and then a few years after that Smith will be gone.

Of the team right now we've got Cummins (28), Marnus (27) and Head (28) as long term players, with Cummins and Marnus being the long term locks in the team. Excluding guys like Jhye, etc. as they are likely to be mainstays in the future, but haven't locked in a role at this point.

Green is a likely mainstay in the team for a long time... and perhaps he should be afforded the same sort of leniencies that Michael Clarke was back when they identified him as a talent to nurture within the test team setup... that move paid off as he eventually became a top top batsmen and future captain for the team.

I also recall that when Clarke took over it was like an AB scenario where he was clearly our best player and doing a lot of the heavy lifting as new players were brought into the team and the former greats retired or neared retirement.

I'm not saying Green will get to those heights, but he looks a very good player and is as likely as anyone to be a mainstay in the team for a very long time.

Like you say keep him around these guys for as long as possible and give him time to grow into the role, because he is likely to be part of the leadership group moving forward.

We know that he's possibly one of the best batsmen going around in Shield cricket at 22, and at test level his bowling and fielding is right up there. When his batting at test level does eventually catch up he's every chance of being within the top 5/6 batters in the country and has already shown a temperament to go for long long innings.

A guy who's 22 and already one of the best bats in Shield cricket should be afforded some time in the test setup when the rest of the team is already performing quite well. It's a near perfect environment to be blooding a guy that they will hope to lean on for the next decade or so of cricket.

 

[Sproj]

You make a good point regarding the old heads... we're not far off losing Warner and co.. and then a few years after that Smith will be gone.

Of the team right now we've got Cummins (28), Marnus (27) and Head (28) as long term players, with Cummins and Marnus being the long term locks in the team. Excluding guys like Jhye, etc. as they are likely to be mainstays in the future, but haven't locked in a role at this point.

Green is a likely mainstay in the team for a long time... and perhaps he should be afforded the same sort of leniencies that Michael Clarke was back when they identified him as a talent to nurture within the test team setup... that move paid off as he eventually became a top top batsmen and future captain for the team.

I also recall that when Clarke took over it was like an AB scenario where he was clearly our best player and doing a lot of the heavy lifting as new players were brought into the team and the former greats retired or neared retirement.

I'm not saying Green will get to those heights, but he looks a very good player and is as likely as anyone to be a mainstay in the team for a very long time.

Like you say keep him around these guys for as long as possible and give him time to grow into the role, because he is likely to be part of the leadership group moving forward.

We know that he's possibly one of the best batsmen going around in Shield cricket at 22, and at test level his bowling and fielding is right up there. When his batting at test level does eventually catch up he's every chance of being within the top 5/6 batters in the country and has already shown a temperament to go for long long innings.

A guy who's 22 and already one of the best bats in Shield cricket should be afforded some time in the test setup when the rest of the team is already performing quite well. It's a near perfect environment to be blooding a guy that they will hope to lean on for the next decade or so of cricket.

Yeah when you look at the ages of the best players in the team, it is pretty balanced right now but you need to bring in those key planks of the future. Really, I reckon they are looking to build around:

2. Pucovski (but this is hard when he is no certainty to have any career, let alone a long one)
3. Labushagne
4. Green
5. Head
8. Cummins
9. Richardson
11. Sangha

 

[BroncosFever]

You make a good point regarding the old heads... we're not far off losing Warner and co.. and then a few years after that Smith will be gone.

Of the team right now we've got Cummins (28), Marnus (27) and Head (28) as long term players, with Cummins and Marnus being the long term locks in the team. Excluding guys like Jhye, etc. as they are likely to be mainstays in the future, but haven't locked in a role at this point.

Green is a likely mainstay in the team for a long time... and perhaps he should be afforded the same sort of leniencies that Michael Clarke was back when they identified him as a talent to nurture within the test team setup... that move paid off as he eventually became a top top batsmen and future captain for the team.

I also recall that when Clarke took over it was like an AB scenario where he was clearly our best player and doing a lot of the heavy lifting as new players were brought into the team and the former greats retired or neared retirement.

I'm not saying Green will get to those heights, but he looks a very good player and is as likely as anyone to be a mainstay in the team for a very long time.

Like you say keep him around these guys for as long as possible and give him time to grow into the role, because he is likely to be part of the leadership group moving forward.

We know that he's possibly one of the best batsmen going around in Shield cricket at 22, and at test level his bowling and fielding is right up there. When his batting at test level does eventually catch up he's every chance of being within the top 5/6 batters in the country and has already shown a temperament to go for long long innings.

A guy who's 22 and already one of the best bats in Shield cricket should be afforded some time in the test setup when the rest of the team is already performing quite well. It's a near perfect environment to be blooding a guy that they will hope to lean on for the next decade or so of cricket.

It won't be a perfect environment if we get towelled up in Pakistan.

You can make a case for anyone in a winning team.

 

[Fitzy]

That is an absolute shocker by Hameed, how the heck do you let a straight through to hit the middle of middle stump?

He played the biggest fucken drive I’ve seen on a good length delivery on the stumps. I’d be skeptical to even play that shot in Haseeb’s position if it was a half volley.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah when you look at the ages of the best players in the team, it is pretty balanced right now but you need to bring in those key planks of the future. Really, I reckon they are looking to build around:

2. Pucovski (but this is hard when he is no certainty to have any career, let alone a long one)
3. Labushagne
4. Green
5. Head
8. Cummins
9. Richardson
11. Sangha

I don’t agree with Sangha anywhere in the next 5-6 years unless he does something really special. Swepson is levels above him and still isn’t able to get a baggy green. Leg spinners need to mature before playing red ball cricket internationally. Actually you could argue playing any international cricket format. Evidenced in Zampa who is one of the best if not best and most consistent white ball spinners in the world and Swepson some of the things he has achieved in shield since maturing is exceptional. He is definitely a give him some time and a lot of it in shield player.

 

[Blindside Bronco]

Marcus or Green someone has to be dropped for Khawaja.
Even drop Carey! Let Head keep.

 

[Fitzy]

It won't be a perfect environment if we get towelled up in Pakistan.

You can make a case for anyone in a winning team.

Mate we are in a situation where not even Pakistan is experienced in Pakistan conditions. We are full of confidence and if we are going with Khawaja as opener our batting lineup is chocker block full with quality. Even someone like Carey could be batting well by then with heaps of white ball cricket to get his confidence up. Starc is in form, Cummins and Hazlewood are class everywhere. Gaz is starting to get back in the groove and Sweppo could be very dangerous in the sub continent if he simplified his tactics. Poorly timed but we are a quality fielding unit. I think Pakistan will have to be at the top of there game and us be very average for us to lose that series. Definitely not impossible for that to happen but if it does it won’t be because Cameron Green is in the side our issues will be much bigger.

 

[Blindside Bronco]

What did Crawley say to Lyon?

 

[BroncosFever]

Mate we are in a situation where not even Pakistan is experienced in Pakistan conditions. We are full of confidence and if we are going with Khawaja as opener our batting lineup is chocker block full with quality. Even someone like Carey could be batting well by then with heaps of white ball cricket to get his confidence up. Starc is in form, Cummins and Hazlewood are class everywhere. Gaz is starting to get back in the groove and Sweppo could be very dangerous in the sub continent if he simplified his tactics. Poorly timed but we are a quality fielding unit. I think Pakistan will have to be at the top of there game and is very average for us to lose that series. Definitely not impossible for that to happen but if it does it won’t be because Cameron Green is in the side our issues will be much bigger.

Pakistan have an outstanding cricket team and will be incredibly hard to beat, I would even give them half a chance if they toured here with that team.

Babar Azam one of the best going around, Shaheen Afridi in the same boat, then you add a few others around these guys who are more than handy, they are going to be very hard to beat.

I know it won't be because of Cameron Green either way but when you get beat, there's no room for passengers.

 

[Sproj]

What did Crawley say to Lyon?

I prefer dogs?