OFFICIAL Ashley Taylor to Titans

[Porthoz]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I have watched plenty QCup......which is how I know its not at the same standard as the NRL.

...and it had to be pointed out, because someone was comparing what Taylor is doing in that competition to what Hunt is doing in the NRL, which isn't a fair comparison.

Even you with your all knowing eye should have recognised that.

Of course the comps are not the same standard, but when it comes to kick pressure, the difference is minimal imo.

Hunt has tried many times to place cross kicks without being pressured and failed, he just lacks accuracy both in direction and power. Taylor is almost always spot on with his kicking, and I dare say Hunt wouldn't have made those kicks either.

There is plenty to be said about whether Taylor will be able to make the jump, especially in relation to the game speed and his defense, but kicking is not one of them. I absolutely maintain that he is the best kicker at the Broncos, and by a fair distance too.

 

[rnabokov]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

All I am saying is that the undoubted football talent that Taylor was born with is now on show in the grades he plays - skills like kicking and decision making, speed, footwork etc etc. and probably helped to develop by good coaching. This talent can't be manufactured, along with instincts and intuition but can be honed to become something special.

As far as a kicking game is concerned, I think as Porthoz posts, Hunt just hasn't got that talent Taylor has ... well he hasn't shown it yet, and at a level where talent goes a step further, where Cronk and Thurston are at, as 2 examples, and the level where Taylor looks like he's heading.

However, and this is the crucial bit, we all know NRL is a whole new ball game pardon the pun. There, it becomes no longer a question of just raw footballing skills, but one which makes or breaks a quality junior footballer, (and Lockyer was one example) : absolute commitment and utter determination to excel and be the best, which means total commitment to hard work, discipline, practice, training etc etc. as well as good coaching. The talent you have either blooms or withers.

That is what I want to know about Taylor - and a few other juniors as well. Has he got what it takes mentally, and the heart and soul, to go to the next level. Looks to me like Bennett thinks he can. The question is when and where Taylor gets the chance.

 

[Mr Fourex]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Of course the comps are not the same standard, but when it comes to kick pressure, the difference is minimal imo.

I strongly disagree. In the kicks against the Devils (as one example), Taylor had an eternity to get both the kicks right

and he did......and they were good kicks. I'm not denying him that.

I'm also not saying Ben Hunt is the greatest kicker (short or long) in the world. He's clearly not. But while we all agree that both competitions are a considerable distance apart, it's ridiculous to say that in the case of pressure on the kicker, the difference is marginal. NRL back rowers are set on a mission to upset the kicker.....put pressure on the kicker.....harass the kicker. In a game where its clearly faster, more skilled and more intense than the other, this is one area where IMO it would certainly not be less intense than others.

Someone should ask JT if he thinks the pressure he gets put under is only marginally different to a lesser tier comp

...or more importantly, ask his ribs. I'm sure they'll disagree.

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I have watched plenty QCup......which is how I know its not at the same standard as the NRL.

...and it had to be pointed out, because someone was comparing what Taylor is doing in that competition to what Hunt is doing in the NRL, which isn't a fair comparison.

Even you with your all knowing eye should have recognised that.

Flawed logic when it comes to sport, if comparisons to players at a lower level are not permitted than you may as well do away with any lower level of sport.

How else does a player get promoted or demoted in any sport if you don't compare their skills?

If you have a player getting no runs in the Test side and old mate in Shield cricket getting loads of runs- can't compare them he's at a lower level.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I strongly disagree. In the kicks against the Devils (as one example), Taylor had an eternity to get both the kicks right

and he did......and they were good kicks. I'm not denying him that.

I'm also not saying Ben Hunt is the greatest kicker (short or long) in the world. He's clearly not. But while we all agree that both competitions are a considerable distance apart, it's ridiculous to say that in the case of pressure on the kicker, the difference is marginal. NRL back rowers are set on a mission to upset the kicker.....put pressure on the kicker.....harass the kicker. In a game where its clearly faster, more skilled and more intense than the other, this is one area where IMO it would certainly not be less intense than others.

Someone should ask JT if he thinks the pressure he gets put under is only marginally different to a lesser tier comp

...or more importantly, ask his ribs. I'm sure they'll disagree.

Do you really think it's any different in Qcup?

It's one of the first things players learn from a young age... pressure the kicker, hit him hard (even if slightly late), so he either takes a step back (and puts half his team offside), or rushes his kick the next time around. There's no special skill required for this!

Taylor didn't get pressured because he doesn't need long to kick... just look at his technique and how quickly the ball leaves his foot after he receives the pass. Then compare that to Hunt... and how long he takes to prepare for his kicks.

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Do you really think it's any different in Qcup?

It's one of the first things players learn from a young age... pressure the kicker, hit him hard (even if slightly late), so he either takes a step back (and puts half his team offside), or rushes his kick the next time around. There's no special skill required for this!

Taylor didn't get pressured because he doesn't need long to kick... just look at his technique and how quickly the ball leaves his foot after he receives the pass. Then compare that to Hunt... and how long he takes to prepare for his kicks.

Also using a sample size of two from his 24 plus kicks (I don't have the v Norths stats yet) so far in ISC. Also worth noting that the two kicks watched are against Norths a team coming near the bottom of the table- because they might not do those little things like chase kicks well.

Should be noted Norths had Grienke and Sunny Coast had 5 Storm players.

 

[Socnorb]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

It must be said, that Taylor from all accounts has made a seamless transition to a more robust level of football. That is a good sign all things considered. He is doing all he can,and can only play what's in front of him.

 

[rnabokov]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Do you really think it's any different in Qcup?

It's one of the first things players learn from a young age... pressure the kicker, hit him hard (even if slightly late), so he either takes a step back (and puts half his team offside), or rushes his kick the next time around. There's no special skill required for this!

Taylor didn't get pressured because he doesn't need long to kick... just look at his technique and how quickly the ball leaves his foot after he receives the pass. Then compare that to Hunt... and how long he takes to prepare for his kicks.

For me the key is technique.

As for the effects of pressure on good kicking, that requires a mix of mental toughness, agility, timing and importantly, other options where you have other kickers available in position if the pressure applied compromises the potential for an effective kick.

The best football team gives itself the most options in general, and in this case, just relying on 1 player who is an inevitable target for the defence. Just ask JT and Michael Morgan in particular, and a few others like Cronk and Smith, or Pearce and Maloney.

Off topic a bit, but we have Hunt as our mainstay for now at least and for mine, that in itself puts pressure on him, and the quality of his kicks, as well as the team reducing constructive options.

But then, a good option may be not to kick but to run the ball ... decisions, decisions ...

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Taylor in his toughest hit out v Jets.

Runs 10
Metres 71
Offloads 2
Tackles 2
Missed 1

He kicked for two tries.

 

[Renegade]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Only two tackles and one missed? That seems suss? Did the Jets not run at him all game or were his minders putting up the great wall of china?

 

[coreyh88]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Highlights: Rd12 Magpies V Jets - QRL
Neither kick anything special. More luck interested to see how he controls the game. Those highlights give no indication. Once again just basing it off the highlights and to be fair he has no combinations but largely underwhelmed by his passing and running game.

 

[Nashy]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Hope the Titans contract him. He looks like he deserves game time which simply isn't available for him in Brisbane.

 

[Huge]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

He may need more time in ISC , in fact I think he needs the rest of this year and deep into next season before NRL is even considered. I'm not saying he couldn't play nrl now but at this stage it looks like it would be premature. Hopefully he has a good deep thinker as an advisor and he is not a Mundine type person, you know dumb as dog shit with boundless arrogance. In my imagination I picture him sitting down on a bench somewhere, away from other people and chatting with the wise old man,WB ( they both have clothes on in case you were wondering !! )

 

[Daylight]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I haven't watched a huge amount of him, but did against the Jets. Irrespective of his potential as an attacking player if they can't handle the defensive pressure they aren't going up to NRL in a hurry. 2 tackles if that's right in a team that had 50 points put on them sounds odd, but the Jets don't play to attack halves or small men, like most game plans stipulate. That said to only make 2 tackles sounds like he wasn't too interested in getting involved. But the clincher was the one he missed, a straight up one on one with a bigger man who had no foot work and he got brushed very easy. That's not going to get you into the NRL, so he'll have to work hard on that and also develop physically.

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Jets don't target halves.

CQ- Minto 6 and Atiken 2
Bears- Jacks 1
Easts- Nona 9 Giess 9
Souths- Taylor 2 Joass 10

Are the lower ones from this year.

Most are about 10 or so which isn't high; so they're not being targeted or they'd be up around 25.

 

[1910]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

He may need more time in ISC , in fact I think he needs the rest of this year and deep into next season before NRL is even considered. I'm not saying he couldn't play nrl now but at this stage it looks like it would be premature. Hopefully he has a good deep thinker as an advisor and he is not a Mundine type person, you know dumb as dog shit with boundless arrogance. In my imagination I picture him sitting down on a bench somewhere, away from other people and chatting with the wise old man,WB ( they both have clothes on in case you were wondering !! )

He's slowed down, first three games he was everywhere trying to touch the ball 4 times a set. Now against the Jets and the week before he's slowed down and pacing through games. Dennis runs the show for Souths so Taylor is running shot gun on that a bit more.

 

[Big Pete]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

Taylor can certainly play, that's for sure.

However if he wants to be successful in the NRL, he needs to take more ownership of the side. I can understand him taking a supporting role at Souths Logan given the amount of time he's played there but even in the NYC he struggles to get involved and relies heavily on others to bring him into the game. He needs to be more assertive and mix things up if he wants to force his way into the Broncos.

Otherwise he has all the skills and certainly has the potential to make a mark in the NRL. He just needs to show it more.

 

[Alec]

Re: Should Ashley Taylor Be Promoted

I definitely don't want him rushed into FG. Don't want him to end up like Brooks, Moses or Cornish have been going so far.

Definitely think he should be in our FG side in the near future after this season though, as long as he keeps developing well.