Australia vs India Discussion

[1910]

Highest batting av in Shield since start of last season (500 runs min): 60.55 SMarsh 53.30 MWade 51.95 MHarris 50.50 GMaxwell 49.25 JBurns 46.69 CWhite 44.58 THead 44.29 MMarsh 42.70 DHughes No-one else above 40.

800 Shield runs since start of last season: 1143 MHarris 1066 MWade 999 ADoolan 985 JBurns 982 DHughes 944 MRenshaw 913 JWeatherald 905 KPatterson 903 MLabuschagne 862 JDoran 850 CFerguson 847 THead 842 JLehmann 826 JSilk 823 HCartwright

 

[1910]

There's no chance we can win in England with the Marsh brothers. I'd drop Mitch until he has a shield season averaging something ridiculous, and make this Shaun's fair well home summer. If he doesn't want to retire drop him for England. At the moment I'd go with:

Renshaw
Finch (would prefer him at 5, but that can happen for the English Ashes)
Khawaja
Smarsh
Maxwell (50+ average last season, didn't deserve to get dropped after his last stint. Best fielder in the world etc)
Wade (form middle/ lower order batsman in the country playing at Hobart which is a tough wicket)
Paine (needs to perform, shouldn't have been recalled to begin with and shouldn't have unlimited chances)
bowlers

Other options for batting: Burns, Short, Lehmann

EDIT: Harris as an option as well.

Renshaw can't be there, he's been terrible this year. Paine is vital to this team, you can't change the captain now and his keeping has been unreal- not too sure what else you want from your keeper?

I don't like the Wade idea- where does he field? Is his fielding Test match standard?

Short as in Darcy? The guy that can't make the WA side? You're looking to reward his 23 average season from last year?

Or Matt?

 

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Yep I know but the batting is going to be the same no matter who you pick, they all suck. At least with Patterson you are likely to get some runs and hopefully avoid the usual collapse. He’s good for 30-60 most innings, just once he gets there, you tell the next guy to get ready. Most other batsmen are 0 or 80 types.

He is a 50 specialist. Which in Tests would become a 26 specialists.

 

[Unbreakable]

Who would your Test XI be at this point @1910?

 

[Battler]

I just feel you can't drop M.Marsh for non-performing and pick Renshaw for non-performing. Don't mind your side @Battler but I do feel Burns should be in Renshaw's spot. The res is hard to argue with.

Pretty pathetic when the second best available batsman behind Khawaja is S.Marsh, a guy who averages 35 in test cricket.

I'm not a West Australian so I don't automatically rate QLDers just from being from my state. I still have question marks over Burns outside of Australia, but he could be what we need for this series; I'm not convinced that he'll be good in England which is the series we should have in mind. Renshaw, outside of his start to the shield season, has been performing very well in FC cricket and will be a mainstay in our side, he has to be there imo. We will need him in England, picking blokes like Harris and Burns who will score well on Aus roads (anyone we pick will) is fine for this upcoming series, but the selectors will convince themselves, like they did for the Marsh brothers, that because they plundered runs on decks with zero tricks against shit attacks that they'll be able to face swing bowling on green English decks.

Renshaw can't be there, he's been terrible this year. Paine is vital to this team, you can't change the captain now and his keeping has been unreal- not too sure what else you want from your keeper?

I don't like the Wade idea- where does he field? Is his fielding Test match standard?

Short as in Darcy? The guy that can't make the WA side? You're looking to reward his 23 average season from last year?

Or Matt?

Matt Short, he looks like a very assured player in defence and is averaging mid 40's. He needs to keep performing but he looks the goods.

I think Wade was fielding at point or cover yesterday? Couldn't really tell from the stream. He's averaging 100+ this year, and has been averaging over 40 since he was dropped. He's also averaging close to 40 overall at FC level despite WKing most of his career. He's not at his calibre as a player obviously, but for example Sangakarra averaged under 50 until he gave up the gloves. Wade has also been performing in the lower middle order where we need runs and his 125-130km/h medium pacers are the equal of MMarsh's.

Paine has been good as a keeper, but if we have a number 6 averaging sub-30 we need a keeper batsman. I'm in favour of picking specialists in the state we're in at the moment, so he can stay. Just keep in mind that he hasn't scored a century for over a decade.

EDIT: it's not like Paine is the best gloveman in test cricket. Watling, Sarfraz, and Foakes are all as good with the gloves but are competent batsmen to boot.

 

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I'm not a West Australian so I don't automatically rate QLDers just from being from my state. I still have question marks over Burns outside of Australia, but he could be what we need for this series; I'm not convinced that he'll be good in England which is the series we should have in mind. Renshaw, outside of his start to the shield season, has been performing very well in FC cricket and will be a mainstay in our side, he has to be there imo. We will need him in England, picking blokes like Harris and Burns who will score well on Aus roads (anyone we pick will) is fine for this upcoming series, but the selectors will convince themselves, like they did for the Marsh brothers, that because they plundered runs on decks with zero tricks against shit attacks that they'll be able to face swing bowling on green English decks.


Matt Short, he looks like a very assured player in defence and is averaging mid 40's. He needs to keep performing but he looks the goods.

I think Wade was fielding at point or cover yesterday? Couldn't really tell from the stream. He's averaging 100+ this year, and has been averaging over 40 since he was dropped. He's also averaging close to 40 overall at FC level despite WKing most of his career. He's not at his calibre as a player obviously, but for example Sangakarra averaged under 50 until he gave up the gloves. Wade has also been performing in the lower middle order where we need runs and his 125-130km/h medium pacers are the equal of MMarsh's.

Paine has been good as a keeper, but if we have a number 6 averaging sub-30 we need a keeper batsman. I'm in favour of picking specialists in the state we're in at the moment, so he can stay. Just keep in mind that he hasn't scored a century for over a decade.

EDIT: it's not like Paine is the best gloveman in test cricket. Watling, Sarfraz, and Foakes are all as good with the gloves but are competent batsmen to boot.

Short needs to keep performing? He needs to perform- he is yet to score a 100 for Victoria. 238 from seven games isn't good enough or even of note to even be in the conversation. His 100 against a England side doesn't count.

Shield av is 26 after seven games.

You want Wade in for averaging 40 in Shield but want Paine dropped for averaging 38 in Tests? That stat about 100 is irrelevant I don't care if he never gets a 100- Keep and lead and get 38 his job is done.

 

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Who would your Test XI be at this point @1910?

The batting unit are really the only question marks I guess. I would probably err on the side of caution and assume they will too. Assuming Uzzie plays against Victoria on Tuesday.

I am still thinking about it though.

 

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CA XI squad:

Sam Whiteman (c)
Max Bryant
Jake Carder
Jackson Coleman
Harry Conway
Daniel Fallins
David Grant
Aaron Hardie
Jonathan Merlo
Harry Nielsen (wk)
D’Arcy Short
Param Uppal

(Coach: Graeme Hick, assistant coach: Sriram Sridharan)

 

[The True King]

That's a very poor team. I understand the idea that it's just a friendly warm-up game and we are trodding out blokes for India to plunder runs against, but jeez it would be nice if they'd thrown a chance to some guys who can stake a claim at selection.

Something like:
Travis Dean
Marcus Harris
Hilton Cartwright
Peter Handscomb (C)
Jake Lehmann
Jason Sangha
Sam Whiteman
Chris Tremain
Mark Steketee
Jhye Richardson
Lloyd Pope/Mitchell Swepson

 

[Unbreakable]

That's a very poor team. I understand the idea that it's just a friendly warm-up game and we are trodding out blokes for India to plunder runs against, but jeez it would be nice if they'd thrown a chance to some guys who can stake a claim at selection.

Something like:
Travis Dean
Marcus Harris
Hilton Cartwright
Peter Handscomb (C)
Jake Lehmann
Jason Sangha
Sam Whiteman
Chris Tremain
Mark Steketee
Jhye Richardson
Lloyd Pope/Mitchell Swepson

The side is made up of guys who can't crack their respective shield teams.

It's understandable that the state teams are not wanting to release their best players for a warm up game..

 

[Unbreakable]

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...k=4df289b05d54d77c2ecbd9f9e9d4d6ec-1542793700

 

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No one has made a big effort, if you wanted to jump in you needed three or four 100's in the first four rounds. So team has to stay the same as the UAE. Which I think is smart at this stage.

I would like Tremain being included in the 12, I think we scream for the inclusion of the guy that gets 145 runs but forget about the guy taking 10 wickets a game.

 

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That's a very poor team. I understand the idea that it's just a friendly warm-up game and we are trodding out blokes for India to plunder runs against, but jeez it would be nice if they'd thrown a chance to some guys who can stake a claim at selection.

Something like:
Travis Dean
Marcus Harris
Hilton Cartwright
Peter Handscomb (C)
Jake Lehmann
Jason Sangha
Sam Whiteman
Chris Tremain
Mark Steketee
Jhye Richardson
Lloyd Pope/Mitchell Swepson

That team would cost them selection in the Test team, Tremain can get some wickets against half hearted India thinking about a Test or he can be playing the Bulls and getting out Burns, Renshaw and Khawaja.

If I was a selector I know what I want my players doing.

 

[Unbreakable]

Rumoured Australia 14 man Test squad - Aaron Finch, Marcus Harris, Usman Khawaja, Shaun Marsh, Peter Handscomb, Travis Head, Mitchell Marsh, Tim Paine (capt), Pat Cummins, Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Nathan Lyon, Chris Tremain, Peter Siddle

@Sproj @1910 @Battler

 

[Unbreakable]

I'm glad Handscomb is there, he shouldn't have been dropped in the first place.

Not sold on Harris over Renshaw, but with how Renshaw is performing it's understandable, the kid needs to learn to make runs more often. First test is in Adelaide, so you can almost guarantee Head will get first crack ahead of Handscomb.

1. Harris
2. S.Marsh
3. Khawaja
4. Head
5. Finch
6. M.Marsh
7. Paine (c)
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Lyon
11. Hazlewood

12. Handscomb

 

[The True King]

Happy Tremain is in, his first class record is outstanding. I agree that will be the team as mentioned above but I would also prefer Handscomb over Head.

 

[1910]

Pretty much as expected- no one gave them a choice. I think Harris batting such long periods has helped him. Good skill to have and not many do it anymore. That's impressed me more than his scores.

 

[Unbreakable]

It's a shame that Renshaw was a better version of that when he first came in, constant pressure and criticism to score faster has lead him to take more risks than he needed to. Hopefully he goes back to scoring 50's off 150 balls and not caring about outside pressure.