-NEWS- Bennett to Broncos: you can all get fucked

Allo

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I really don’t see where this whole ball-playing lock thing with Bird has come from and people heralding it’s current return. Manly had a ball-playing lock for a decade in G Stewart and you didn’t hear about it then. Greg Bird at the Titans too if you want genuine playmakers-turned-locks.

Let’s look at the current locks:

Carrigan - No
Finucane - No
Yeo - No (centre experience)
Williams - No (you could argue Graham is that guy, who was a half)
Ese’Ese/Glasby - No/No
Radley - kinda?
Horsburgh/Tapine - No/No
Blair/Tofu - No
Lolo - No
Arrow - No
Brown - No
Elliott - No
Merrin - not really and not the player he was
Twal - No
Murray - kinda
Jurbo - Yes, as far as relative to the rest of the comp.

you can say well Bird could’ve been the revelation the game needed, and even it was effective, then great. but I honestly just never saw it becoming a comp-wide thing again
 
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broncsgoat

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I don't think anyone foresaw Boyd's dramatic deterioration though outside of the so-called committee and Boyd's wife, I don't think anyone was in favor of a 4 year deal! Likewise, no one foresaw Milford turning into a dud even though I know some eyebrows were raised when news of his 1mil a year deal was announced.
There is a reason these two players, along with the rest of the team, have fallen off a cliff.
 

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There is a reason these two players, along with the rest of the team, have fallen off a cliff.
No doubt. And whatever that reason is, it goes back to at least 2018, probably earlier. My memory isn't that great. i.e. as early as if not earlier than they both signed long-term, big money contract extensions.

Can't blame Seibold for that but he should have done better with what he has. To put it in perspective, last year was as good as the year before. If the players really wanted WB to stay at the end of 2018, they chose a strange way to demonstrate it.
 

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As far as I can recall, it was when Milf allegedly turned down Locky's offer of help. This is when I first had an inkling that our current players were not interested in our culture or the legacy our past players had installed at the club.

If this was true he should have been nailed up for such heresy. Nail them up ! Nail some sense into them.
 

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As far as I can recall, it was when Milf allegedly turned down Locky's offer of help. This is when I first had an inkling that our current players were not interested in our culture or the legacy our past players had installed at the club.

If this was true he should have been nailed up for such heresy. Nail them up ! Nail some sense into them.
I'm with you on that one. It was positively baffling at the time and with the benefit of hindsight it only looks even worse given Milford's current predicament.

There are kids busting there ass out there who would crawl over broken glass to be personally Coached by Darren Lockyer. Not Milford though.

In fact, for the people trying to shape the narrative that Milford's dire form is all about who is Coaching him, it suggests that in Milford's view Coaching doesn't mean all that much to him.
 
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Thelmus

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FFS can we just move on from Bennett? He had his time here with a superior roster and couldn’t get it done. He has also proven to be a liar and is now trying to clear his name. He might claim to be the only coach besides Mary that basically has nothing to do with recruitment but I can guarantee you if this squad turned out to be world beaters it would be all him.

Bennett used to be a great coach and is still ahead of Seibold, but he is declining and is a narcissist and to be completely honest I’m over hearing about the old ****.
He was responding to a supposed clearing of the roster by siebold. A comment made by white suggesting Bennet gave us the current problems.
The point is, look at any roster and there are players on the decline and others that are diamonds in the dust.
Pretending three seasons on, this team's current predicament is due to Bennet flies in the face of logic.
As for bird, people forget he was a perceived long term player for NSW and deem on par, if not superior to the likes of of Holmes and Munster.
Imagine if holbrook lost on the weekend and mal started bring up the coach from 3 years previous.
We need to look at the 17 players, the people that train them and strategies for answers because throwing out excuses such as a bad roster is not only irrelevant but absolutely pathetic.
 

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We all know why Bennett is saying this. Whether it is true or not (and I highly doubt it is all true) it is a ploy to take the heat off his own team that is struggling (with a far better squad mind you).

For example Bennett mentions we have 12 Origin & Test players.

Here they are:

Boyd - retired from Origin & wouldn’t be picked anyway unless there was a massive injury toll.
Milford - 2 Origins. 1 from the bench.
Issako - I reckon some fans would even say, “oh really? he’s played for NZ. WoW!” Hardly a Kiwi mainstay.
Oates - A fringe Origin player at the moment.
Bird- Injured and we’d be in a far better position if he was healthy.
Te’o. Out of the game for 6 years.
Luke - When did he last play for NZ?
Haas- Played 1 Origin.
Fifita - 1 origin series, currently injured.
Glenn - Genuine test player, but for how much longer?
TPJ - Test quality. Spends half the season suspended.

It is a catchy line, but it’s not like in Bennett’s prime when he legitimately had 12 current, experienced and entrenched Origin players.
Have to agree with most of this.
Bottom line is currently our team is a lot better on paper than it is on the field.
The big question is why?
 

Thelmus

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Stop the arguing. The definitive voice of reason and balance is here.

WB left Seibold with a good team except for perhaps the worst 1, 6, 7 and 9 in the competition and a salary cap situation which hasn't allowed Seibold to remedy that problem.

It wasn't all WBs fault. I don't think anyone foresaw Boyd's dramatic deterioration though outside of the so-called committee and Boyd's wife, I don't think anyone was in favor of a 4 year deal! Likewise, no one foresaw Milford turning into a dud even though I know some eyebrows were raised when news of his 1mil a year deal was announced.

Having said all that, Seibold should have done better with what he has. And WB had best worry about Souffs who aren't exactly setting the world in fire.
I'd agree for the most of that except if you look at the 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13, 3 are playing regular first grade, and the other 2 are permanent fixtures in our side. One of them continues in the same role.
Contrary to any perception, there is no reason to play a player on a high contract.
If the coach doesn't have that power, he shouldn't be coach and the people that appointed him shouldn't have their jobs.
There has never been a successful sporting organisation whose coach was micromanaged.
The only say the board should have in a coach's conduct is whether he continues as coach and that decision should happen at season's end. That said if there are irresistible differences between players and coaching staff, that can expedite things. But that is something only club insiders should know.
 

Alec

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I really don’t see where this whole ball-playing lock thing with Bird has come from and people heralding it’s current return. Manly had a ball-playing lock for a decade in G Stewart and you didn’t hear about it then.
And Glenn Stewart was just named at lock, he always played on the edge. Watmough was for some reason named on the edge while actually playing in the middle.

It's interesting though that the 3 you've named, two are the best up and comers and the other is probably the 2nd best lock already.
 
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And yet again you are referring to the fucking playing talent... of course Seibold (from the outside looking in) saw the squad and thought yep I can work with this (which coach wouldn't).... do you think in the interview that he had books in front of him and there was a detailed discussion on the salary cap situation moving forward??

No... he wasn't an employee at that stage and had no right to check the books of the club. Likely the only conversation about the roster was the Broncos saying we have a number of young players coming through which we think is the core group moving forward... do you have any issues with bringing through this group of players and transition the roster?

In regards to Morris deflecting he has only mentioned contracts inherited... has he said Bennett is a senile old fool that has put us in this position??

You could probably take a look at posts from last week and there will be nothing about the whole squad being shit from Bennett to Seibold (in fact most users on here want us to retain pretty much everyone)... it has only been the last few days when NSWRL has decided to push Bennett's words to suggest that the club have said the talent that Seibold inherited was shit and the 2-3 years is all about moving on shit players. When in fact the 2-3 years is all about seeing out the shit contracts

Paul White's response to the rebuilding was in response to Ikin who on 360 stated that the Broncos aren't a rebuilding club... as if he knew what the inner workings of the club actually were and pretending like he gives a shit about the Broncos (which he doesn't and was previously on the board of the cowboys). So Paul White comes out and says we are always looking at the top 4.

There's no definition of what a rebuild actually is anyway so White can come out and say we aren't rebuilding and it doesn't fucking mean anything anyway... White says whatever narrative he wants out in the public so unless you're on the inside you have to look at the actions and interpret what's happening.

They have a number of players who aren't seen in the long term future and a number of juniors which are seen as the future... "youth youth youth"... these have been the words from the club basically since Seibold's first press conference

Whoever was coach last year and this year would be going through the same thing... maybe the turnover isn't as large, but Kodi, Macca, Kahu, Bird, etc. are all still getting moved on despite who's wondering around training
Pretty sure Ikin does have an idea, he's the guy on the board of the QRL that is so well run they didn't sack a single one of their 84 staff and didn't have to borrow money through this whole sage or ask for a handouts or miss a beat because they planned ahead.

You could say he's very well up to date how to run an organization and what is happening in Queensland league.
 

Huge

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Agreed. I really doubt Jack Bird would have been here if Bennett didn't push for it. Its funny because in the Courier Mail article Bennett takes credit and avoids responsibility at the same time. He mentions all the great players he left at the Broncos but then when the Jack Bird signing is brought up he mentions all the people who have to sign off on the decision. There is no acknowledgment 'I made a mistake on that one'.
Is it a mistake or misfortune?
 

Huge

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We all know why Bennett is saying this. Whether it is true or not (and I highly doubt it is all true) it is a ploy to take the heat off his own team that is struggling (with a far better squad mind you).

For example Bennett mentions we have 12 Origin & Test players.

Here they are:

Boyd - retired from Origin & wouldn’t be picked anyway unless there was a massive injury toll.
Milford - 2 Origins. 1 from the bench.
Issako - I reckon some fans would even say, “oh really? he’s played for NZ. WoW!” Hardly a Kiwi mainstay.
Oates - A fringe Origin player at the moment.
Bird- Injured and we’d be in a far better position if he was healthy.
Te’o. Out of the game for 6 years.
Luke - When did he last play for NZ?
Haas- Played 1 Origin.
Fifita - 1 origin series, currently injured.
Glenn - Genuine test player, but for how much longer?
TPJ - Test quality. Spends half the season suspended.

It is a catchy line, but it’s not like in Bennett’s prime when he legitimately had 12 current, experienced and entrenched Origin players.
Well, he was talking about a time in the past so all those players were fresher then.
 

abashii

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Bottom line is currently our team is a lot better on paper than it is on the field.
The big question is why?
It's a combination of the coach, who I truly believe just isn't up to the task, and the board/management. The coach may or may not have inherited a garbage roster which needed to be burned to the ground, we'll put that aside for a moment. Bench management, using our last interchange to swap fullbacks with 15 to go, ball runners standing still, no decoys, no plans? That's the coach.

The way management went about getting rid of Bennett varies from ridiculous to disgraceful. All the turmoil and bullshit that went on, it doesn't help build the team. Bringing in the new guy after he sooks in the media about the old guy doesn't help build the team. Shanking the old guy on the way out the door out of either spite or the urge to save a few shekels, that doesn't help build the team. There's a bit of a pattern emerging here. The people who pushed all this apparently don't give a warm toss about the team as long as the books are in the black. And that's honestly not the Broncos I grew up with.

But in case people have switched off listening to a cranky sweary old hack who just loooves old man Wayne maybe these words from someone you should respect might ring truer:
When front office and corporate become the priority within a sporting organisation, with the actual sport a distant second, this unrest is the result.
 

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He was responding to a supposed clearing of the roster by siebold. A comment made by white suggesting Bennet gave us the current problems.
The point is, look at any roster and there are players on the decline and others that are diamonds in the dust.
Pretending three seasons on, this team's current predicament is due to Bennet flies in the face of logic.
As for bird, people forget he was a perceived long term player for NSW and deem on par, if not superior to the likes of of Holmes and Munster.
Imagine if holbrook lost on the weekend and mal started bring up the coach from 3 years previous.
We need to look at the 17 players, the people that train them and strategies for answers because throwing out excuses such as a bad roster is not only irrelevant but absolutely pathetic.
I say wrong. WB is dodging the obvious. He absolutely did nothing to improve our spine while he was here. One could argue the Spine he inherited from hook was far superior to the one he left Seibs and in fact the team he inherited from Hook was also far superior and still we lost a GF and then steadily declined from there. We had Thaiday and Glenn covering hooker when macca got injured, we had one aging fullback with no succession planning. Our 5/8 had 3 halfs partners who all copped the blame for the pairs poor performances. Our young half back was just gifted to the Titans and we were left with Knick/milf combo, that was diabolical.

Everyone and their dog knows it was our spine that needed fixing when Seibs came in. He attempted to have Knick move to the hooking role but he spat the dummy and was allowed to go to the Warriors (nobody in the media is being honest about this now, it was his choice). There was also three horrendous contracts in the spine being Boyd, Milf and Macca's. All to long and overpriced. This is our biggest issue still, we have poor fullback stock, poor hooker stock and our halfs can't direct a game or call shot. This is nothing new, go back and look at old threads pertaining to our halfs. It has been an issue since 2017 late 16. The Broncos were relying on individuals to win games for a long time, apart from 2015-16 our spine has been bog average with creating and finishing.

The whole this club has 12 internationals and Origin players is total crap, claiming people who have had one game at Origin level or play at 18-19 for tier 2 international teams is a straw man and Wayne knows it. It is key positions that matter and when you have 30-40% of your cap tied up in injured, under performing and over the hill players you have major issues.
 

Kovik

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Last year was in no shape or form as good as the year before.
The end result was exactly the same. Bundled out in embarrassing fashion in the first week of the finals. For memory, Seibold went one position better at the end of the regular season. I wouldn't bet on that but if not, it was close.
 

Kovik

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I'd agree for the most of that except if you look at the 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13, 3 are playing regular first grade, and the other 2 are permanent fixtures in our side. One of them continues in the same role.
Contrary to any perception, there is no reason to play a player on a high contract.
If the coach doesn't have that power, he shouldn't be coach and the people that appointed him shouldn't have their jobs.
There has never been a successful sporting organisation whose coach was micromanaged.
The only say the board should have in a coach's conduct is whether he continues as coach and that decision should happen at season's end. That said if there are irresistible differences between players and coaching staff, that can expedite things. But that is something only club insiders should know.
In hindsight it would have been wise to keep Macca, McGuire and to let go of Milford before Nikorima even if it meant paying a very large % of Milford's salary to play elsewhere for 2 years. That's why they say hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I've never been a big fan of Milford because I believed as he got older, bigger and slower, his running game was going to suffer. His playmaking ability has always been average at best but even I would have flipped out if he got rid of Milford rather than Nikorima when he did.

Obviously McGuire should have been kept rather than Ofahengaue but as I said about hindsight.

Other than that, are you talking about Opacic? The guy is a fringe NRL player. He probably won't be in the Cowboys team when they get Morgan and Holmes back.
 

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Someone please call a Waaaaambulance, people are picking on the messiah!

I say wrong. WB is dodging the obvious. He absolutely did nothing to improve our spine while he was here. One could argue the Spine he inherited from hook was far superior to the one he left Seibs and in fact the team he inherited from Hook was also far superior and still we lost a GF and then steadily declined from there. We had Thaiday and Glenn covering hooker when macca got injured, we had one aging fullback with no succession planning. Our 5/8 had 3 halfs partners who all copped the blame for the pairs poor performances. Our young half back was just gifted to the Titans and we were left with Knick/milf combo, that was diabolical.

Everyone and their dog knows it was our spine that needed fixing when Seibs came in. He attempted to have Knick move to the hooking role but he spat the dummy and was allowed to go to the Warriors (nobody in the media is being honest about this now, it was his choice). There was also three horrendous contracts in the spine being Boyd, Milf and Macca's. All to long and overpriced. This is our biggest issue still, we have poor fullback stock, poor hooker stock and our halfs can't direct a game or call shot. This is nothing new, go back and look at old threads pertaining to our halfs. It has been an issue since 2017 late 16. The Broncos were relying on individuals to win games for a long time, apart from 2015-16 our spine has been bog average with creating and finishing.

The whole this club has 12 internationals and Origin players is total crap, claiming people who have had one game at Origin level or play at 18-19 for tier 2 international teams is a straw man and Wayne knows it. It is key positions that matter and when you have 30-40% of your cap tied up in injured, under performing and over the hill players you have major issues.
Stop talking sense mate... it is obvious old fox WB isn't to blame for anything.

He didn't bring Boyd to the club when we had zero need of a Fullback. We only had Barba, Kahu, Jayden Nikorima, Kodi Nikorima and Anthony Milford on the books.
He didn't move on the only decent Halfback we had (Taylor) in favour of a combination of two running halves incapable of organising a root in a brothel.
He didn't fail to create a game plan able to take advantage of the players on the roster once Walters left, except for the famous overlap play where Boyd excelled until the rot started setting in in 2017.
He didn't further let Ben Barba, Ben Hunt, Jayden Nikorima, Jake Granville and Matt Parcell go, to ensure we remained with a dreadful spine spine of Darius Boyd, Anthony Milford, Kodi Nikorima, Andrew McCullough and virtually no capable backup besides "glass" Kahu.
He didn't fail to get Ashley Taylor back to the club, despite the implied promise at the time the youngster left to the Tits.
He didn't then get an injured Jack Bird (arguably not his fault, although questionable whether he was aware of his medical history) when it was clear to everyone we needed an organising half.
He had zero responsibility in the lengthy contracts offered to an ageing Boyd, said "glass" Kahu, and a mediocre hooker in Andrew McCullough.
He didn't fail to make a dent in any finals after 2015, which relative success was probably nothing more than a combination of Hook's roster, Walters halves coaching and the retirement of a highly charismatic player in Justin Hodges.
He didn't preside over a progressive decline at the Broncos in terms of culture, results that mattered, and football on the field.

None of this happened of course. Seibold did not inherit a squad of unproven (yet talented) young players led by a dud spine and surrounded by dead wood on huge contracts. Everyone knew it was a Top 4 guaranteed roster... ROFL!

That said, the whole sacking and recruitment of a new coach was a failure from all sides. Perhaps the board didn't expect such resistance to the football management offer they gave Bennett. Perhaps everyone should've tried a bit harder, but I suspect WB being intransigent in wanting to coach the rest of his contract forced the board's hand into giving the decorated man a shameful sack.
As I said before, I am really happy we excised the huge tumour from the club, although the chemotherapy seems to be making us deathly sick.

While all the above, the rule changes and the never ending injury/suspension list are obviously pretty big reasons for the current state of affairs, Seibold is currently demonstrating that he doesn't look like he is up to the mammoth task of getting us on track.
I never expected great results, but I did and do want to see progress and improvement, and that's not happening. He is definitely on very thin ice and something needs to change if he wants to save his career... or we'll have to swallow a very bitter bill paying out his contract to get someone else who might hopefully be better. SOS Hook?
 
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