Boyd - I'm trying too hard

[Wolfie]

Had enough? :( I was having fun.

And for reference I was trash at Rugby League. Couldn't even make the one's in high school, although in my defense I was competing against like 6 guys who are in the NRL at the moment and a lot of current / ex QCUP players.

I always have fun.

Maybe if you put in more effort you would have been as good as Darius.

 

[Huge]

I'm really struggling to see the other side of this argument.

@Huge is arguing that the documented occasions where Darius puts his arms up and/or doesn't attempt a tackle are non-existent and people who claim they're happening have brain injuries

@Wolfie is arguing that Darius putting his arms up and asking for a penalty instead of attempting a tackle is a defensive decision

Like... hello??? Am I going mad? The excuses being made for him a genuinely on par with conspiracy theorists trying to find any counter-argument they can and hitching their wagon to it. Maybe you blokes have been spending too long in that thread.

Why can't you guys just admit that he clearly isn't putting forth 100% effort and/or commitment and/or care on each defensive "attempt"? I know it might be difficult for some to call out the club captain, but it's clear as day for those who aren't looking through rose-coloured glasses.

Yes, you're making fake claims on my behalf.

 

[_wwong]

Boyd is shit, one of the worst FB of the modern game. The qualities he possesses are barely the minimum requirements of a FB these days.

Defence:
Catch a ball, Check. (most of his catches, he is already on his back conceding the tackle)

Attack:
Cut out ball to a winger, Check.

That's pretty much it for Boyd, I cant even remember him making a break or even a half break from an offload, not that he would get far.

When was his last try? Is there a fullback who had scored less tries than Boyd in the last 3 years?

 

[Huge]

I think if we are all being honest with ourselves we would have to admit that Darius is not giving 100%.

Not that I want to make excuses for him. But he may not be able to give 100%. It is just as difficult mentally as what it is physically coming back from serious injuries. I've had two knee reco's myself and I never got back to 100% because of the fear I had of re-injury.

So imo he is either not capable of pushing himself to 100%. In which case, he is letting the team down and should just retire, or he is actually choosing to not make the effort and 1% plays required as fullback and captain of the Brisbane Broncos.

This is what I disagree with the most. I believe he's giving his all. I've seen it and back in the day with myself ,I experienced it. You try as hard as you can and don't produce. I found out it wasn't physical but mental. I hate it when you present it as though there are only two possible scenarios. He either isn't capable or he's choosing not to. How did you rule out other reasons?

 

[Allo]

When was his last try? Is there a fullback who had scored less tries than Boyd in the last 3 years?

Semi vs the Dragons. Prior to that was round 19

 

[Huge]

Semi vs the Dragons. Prior to that was round 19

Don't know why I can't see what you've posted. Always comes up as unknown member and no text in your posts.

 

[pagey]

I think everyone wants to move on but can’t because we’ve been stuck with the same old culture for a few years now. You’re gonna be experiencing this negative energy amongst these threads until a premiership is won unfortunately.

I get that but there's plenty more to complain about than just boyd. Anyway moving forward.

 

[ostin86]

This is what I disagree with the most. I believe he's giving his all. I've seen it and back in the day with myself ,I experienced it. You try as hard as you can and don't produce. I found out it wasn't physical but mental. I hate it when you present it as though there are only two possible scenarios. He either isn't capable or he's choosing not to. How did you rule out other reasons?

You make a fair point Huge. I suppose it could be something else causing his poor form. Personally I believe that he is not putting in the effort, just from what ive seen. This forum highlights just how differently we all see things but.

 

[bronx89]

If Boyd is trying too hard I’m 12 inches

 

[M.B.88]

Maybe you should watch more games , a lot of players and captains do it.

Yes. But it is pathetic... Especially when it isn't a potential sheppard or something.

One of the biggest things Seibold said he hates is players not owning their moments, reacting badly to ref calls or pointing fingers. Clearly Boyd isn't buying into the new coach

 

[Kyle_Os]

If Boyd is trying too hard I’m 12 inches

And just like Boyd I can deliver it in 4 instalments.

 

[007]

I struggle to understand why people are defending Boyd's performances on field. His last games in attack have been pretty good, but as a captain and in defense are terrible.

His decisions aren't mistakes or poor choices - they are lacking effort and enthusiasm. This is not an issue of trying hard, its an issue of where his head is at.

@Wolfie i often agree with a lot of stuff you say, but you've lost the plot here. The decisions Boyd has been making are not acceptable for a fullback of his experience AND being captain. How you justify his really bad mistakes, which are brutal simple errors, as bad judgements astounds me really. If it was a 19yr old fresh out of high shcool sure no problem, this guy is in his 30's with over a decade of experience. He is getting caught wrong footed and out of position so often, its almost to the level that hes just not interested.

 

[Huge]

I struggle to understand why people are defending Boyd's performances on field. His last games in attack have been pretty good, but as a captain and in defense are terrible.

His decisions aren't mistakes or poor choices - they are lacking effort and enthusiasm. This is not an issue of trying hard, its an issue of where his head is at.

@Wolfie i often agree with a lot of stuff you say, but you've lost the plot here. The decisions Boyd has been making are not acceptable for a fullback of his experience AND being captain. How you justify his really bad mistakes, which are brutal simple errors, as bad judgements astounds me really. If it was a 19yr old fresh out of high shcool sure no problem, this guy is in his 30's with over a decade of experience. He is getting caught wrong footed and out of position so often, its almost to the level that hes just not interested.

Well, like, that's just your opinion man. I haven't seen really bad mistakes. I've seen mistakes but **** me, most of them haven't even been close to others in the team. Like, look at some of Oates's cold drops and Isaako's blunders, Milford's non tackling, even Lodges clay hands. There's plenty going ordinary at the moment but the Boyd detractors aren't focussed on them, no.

Boyd's a punching bag for your disappointment which should ABSOLUTELY BE SHARED AROUND. Boyd's one of the few in the team to admit to failing his own standards and maybe if some of his mates followed his lead the team would be a contender. His mistakes or perceived failures are magnified to gigantic proportions and I think a few of you should cast your eyes on others, at least give them equal billing. Boyd's trying and a few of his buddies need to do the same, particularly the non tackling Milford.

 

[Wolfie]

I struggle to understand why people are defending Boyd's performances on field. His last games in attack have been pretty good, but as a captain and in defense are terrible.

His decisions aren't mistakes or poor choices - they are lacking effort and enthusiasm. This is not an issue of trying hard, its an issue of where his head is at.

@Wolfie i often agree with a lot of stuff you say, but you've lost the plot here. The decisions Boyd has been making are not acceptable for a fullback of his experience AND being captain. How you justify his really bad mistakes, which are brutal simple errors, as bad judgements astounds me really. If it was a 19yr old fresh out of high shcool sure no problem, this guy is in his 30's with over a decade of experience. He is getting caught wrong footed and out of position so often, its almost to the level that hes just not interested.

I havent lost the plot. I havent said i think Boyds for or decision making is acceptable either, in fact i did say earlier in the thread my take on him. I dont think age, to a point is the issue either. Yes, his body is getting older and not so robust, but i think his bigger issue is a psychological one. He is low on confidence, indecisive, second guessing what he does and making poor decisions. Players full of confidence and in form always appear to be a bit stronger and faster, and everything they try seems to come off. Thats not Boyd right now. Its up to Darius and the coach to work out a solution. But as i said, the whole team is pretty much out of form. One player not playing his best shouldnt bring down the whole squad.

 

[Mr Fourex]

I agree with the psychological angle.........he has always been mentally weak.

 

[lynx000]

I havent lost the plot. I havent said i think Boyds for or decision making is acceptable either, in fact i did say earlier in the thread my take on him. I dont think age, to a point is the issue either. Yes, his body is getting older and not so robust, but i think his bigger issue is a psychological one. He is low on confidence, indecisive, second guessing what he does and making poor decisions. Players full of confidence and in form always appear to be a bit stronger and faster, and everything they try seems to come off. Thats not Boyd right now. Its up to Darius and the coach to work out a solution. But as i said, the whole team is pretty much out of form. One player not playing his best shouldnt bring down the whole squad.

I agree with you and Huge about this that I think there is a psychological issue at play here with Boyd and it is coming across like indifference or a failure to put in. I think that Milford is in a similar state for some reason. We have probably 4-5 players out of form and down on confidence.

 

[_wwong]

I agree with you and Huge about this that I think there is a psychological issue at play here with Boyd and it is coming across like indifference or a failure to put in. I think that Milford is in a similar state for some reason. We have probably 4-5 players out of form and down on confidence.

Is it possible to be out of form for over a season?

 

[lynx000]

Is it possible to be out of form for over a season?

I am not sure who you are referring to in relation to your post. If it is Boyd, I think you are conflating issues. Last year he was struggling with injury for most of the season and this clearly impacted his form and his ability to do his role as a fullback. He probably would have benefitted from a significant break to try and get his body right but this did not occur (for whatever reason).

In saying that, he is clearly declining as a player and that is occurring fairly quickly. He looks to me like either his body is giving out on him, or he thinks that is occurring and does not have confidence in his body and this is playing on his mind and impacting his play. The first one may well be terminal for his career, the second one can be addressed, but it is difficult. I honestly do not believe that he is not trying or deliberately dogging it.

I have heard a number of players say that they know when it is time to go (and quite often after they make the decision you can see a lift in their play and confidence). Boyd looks to be someone that is getting that message but he is doing everything to not acknowledge it.