Boyd - I'm trying too hard

[Wolfie]

In those isolated efforts, absolutely. Doesn't detract from his game overall and that's therein the issue people have, if he was running for 200m, setting up tries and making generally great defensive efforts, people could forgive him for switching off here and there. It's the fact he's not really doing any of the aforementioned that magnifies his lack of efforts in those situations.

People wouldnt forgive him because he is Darius Boyd, and that means whatever he does right now gets slated, even minor things. As the captain, he is going to have more scrutiny, and rightly so, but its going well over the top this year.

And for the record, i'm not saying he is playing well, i'm not saying he is doing his job properly, i'm saying he doesn't go on the pitch and not put effort in and not try. For me, he is just a player struggling with confidence, form and his decision making. Its up to the coach imo to be dealing with it. Maybe take the burden of being captain off him, maybe move him position, but something needs fixing in this team, and just not with Darius Boyd. One player not doing his job wouldnt have the team 1 win from 5.

 

[Unbreakable]

I'm really struggling to see the other side of this argument.

@Huge is arguing that the documented occasions where Darius puts his arms up and/or doesn't attempt a tackle are non-existent and people who claim they're happening have brain injuries

@Wolfie is arguing that Darius putting his arms up and asking for a penalty instead of attempting a tackle is a defensive decision

Like... hello??? Am I going mad? The excuses being made for him a genuinely on par with conspiracy theorists trying to find any counter-argument they can and hitching their wagon to it. Maybe you blokes have been spending too long in that thread.

Why can't you guys just admit that he clearly isn't putting forth 100% effort and/or commitment and/or care on each defensive "attempt"? I know it might be difficult for some to call out the club captain, but it's clear as day for those who aren't looking through rose-coloured glasses.

 

[Wolfie]

I'm really struggling to see the other side of this argument.

@Huge is arguing that the documented occasions where Darius puts his arms up and/or doesn't attempt a tackle are non-existent and people who claim they're happening have brain injuries

@Wolfie is arguing that Darius putting his arms up and asking for a penalty instead of attempting a tackle is a defensive decision

Like... hello??? Am I going mad? The excuses being made for him a genuinely on par with conspiracy theorists trying to find any counter-argument they can and hitching their wagon to it. Maybe you blokes have been spending too long in that thread.

Why can't you guys just admit that he clearly isn't putting forth 100% effort and/or commitment and/or care on each defensive "attempt"? I know it might be difficult for some to call out the club captain, but it's clear as day for those who aren't looking through rose-coloured glasses.

I'm sorry us liars and people who know nothing about rugby league cant be as great as a rugby league genius like yourself. You must have been some player.

I'll leave you with it now. Carry on.

 

[holdzy]

He was at centre last year against the Sharks, wasn't he? He did pretty good.

 

[Renegade]

People wouldnt forgive him because he is Darius Boyd, and that means whatever he does right now gets slated, even minor things. As the captain, he is going to have more scrutiny, and rightly so, but its going well over the top this year.

I dunno I think that's unfair to a degree, I don't think people have it in for Boyd on a personal level, people are just upset that he's not playing very well and things like the raising of hands in the air or going for intercepts instead of taking the man with the ball, really fundamental errors are compounding that misery for both the fans and him. As you said, the captain is always going to face that criticism more than anyone else, so makes it more imperative to at least get the basics right. If you're a young anything, player, worker in another capacity, and you see the boss/leader/captain doing stuff like that, you're most likely going to think that's acceptable - if he can do it, why can't I?

And for the record, i'm not saying he is playing well, i'm not saying he is doing his job properly, i'm saying he doesn't go on the pitch and not put effort in and not try. For me, he is just a player struggling with confidence, form and his decision making. Its up to the coach imo to be dealing with it. Maybe take the burden of being captain off him, maybe move him position, but something needs fixing in this team, and just not with Darius Boyd. One player not doing his job wouldnt have the team 1 win from 5.

I don't think he consciously walks onto the field and says right I'm gonna do as little as possible today, but I do think there is some sort of wavering motivation behind him at the moment. Whether it's Bennett leaving and playing under a new coach and new structures, being laden with the responsibility of leading a young team around, the results, I can only speculate. I know from an amateur level what it's like when things aren't going your way and you second guess yourself, but your body language is so important especially around inexperienced players. They look to you for that extra effort, that extra few %, and if your body language sucks, you cut corners by taking the easy out by going for intercepts or complaining to the ref, it sends a terrible message to the squad.

It's on the coach to sort it out, but it doesn't mean that we as fans can't take issue with it.

 

[winslow_wong]

You have no idea how much I don't care about the situation the Broncos are in , I've stated I'm happy to roll with the punches with this young team. Like you said it's only a game. But this constant dribble about boyd is a joke, criticize him and move on.

I think everyone wants to move on but can’t because we’ve been stuck with the same old culture for a few years now. You’re gonna be experiencing this negative energy amongst these threads until a premiership is won unfortunately.

 

[Eta Carinae]

Okay this comment has always grounded my gears .... yes he pressures the kicker and yes he runs back to the fullback position... he also leaves a huge gaping hole in the defensive line when he runs back. The same gaping hole that MCK waltzed through. If he held his line he win

Well, I don't really agree with that. Those unfit forwards should have made the tackle. Maybe they are justified to some extent in missing them because for the final 15minutes of that game, pretty much every play was one out running by forwards as opposed to the Tigers who were throwing it around, trying to create something.

 

[Renegade]

As an addendum to the first point, I know a lot of posters on here didn't want Boyd back, yet all of them came around when he performed out of his skin in 2015-2016. There might be a few outliers but I'm pretty sure based on the attitudes of most on here that they can put aside any personal opinions of a player if they perform - you only have to check out the attitude towards people like Lodge to see that.

 

[Wolfie]

I dunno I think that's unfair to a degree, I don't think people have it in for Boyd on a personal level, people are just upset that he's not playing very well and things like the raising of hands in the air or going for intercepts instead of taking the man with the ball, really fundamental errors are compounding that misery for both the fans and him. As you said, the captain is always going to face that criticism more than anyone else, so makes it more imperative to at least get the basics right. If you're a young anything, player, worker in another capacity, and you see the boss/leader/captain doing stuff like that, you're most likely going to think that's acceptable - if he can do it, why can't I?



I don't think he consciously walks onto the field and says right I'm gonna do as little as possible today, but I do think there is some sort of wavering motivation behind him at the moment. Whether it's Bennett leaving and playing under a new coach and new structures, being laden with the responsibility of leading a young team around, the results, I can only speculate. I know from an amateur level what it's like when things aren't going your way and you second guess yourself, but your body language is so important especially around inexperienced players. They look to you for that extra effort, that extra few %, and if your body language sucks, you cut corners by taking the easy out by going for intercepts or complaining to the ref, it sends a terrible message to the squad.

It's on the coach to sort it out, but it doesn't mean that we as fans can't take issue with it.

I think there is a lot of indecision in his game tbh down to the things i mentioned earlier. I dont think he isnt motivated though. Doesn't really help that nobody is stepping up to take any pressure off him. Our entire back line and halves are very, very ordinary, and our forwards aren't doing their job on the whole.

 

[ostin86]

I think if we are all being honest with ourselves we would have to admit that Darius is not giving 100%.

Not that I want to make excuses for him. But he may not be able to give 100%. It is just as difficult mentally as what it is physically coming back from serious injuries. I've had two knee reco's myself and I never got back to 100% because of the fear I had of re-injury.

So imo he is either not capable of pushing himself to 100%. In which case, he is letting the team down and should just retire, or he is actually choosing to not make the effort and 1% plays required as fullback and captain of the Brisbane Broncos.

 

[Unbreakable]

I'm sorry us liars and people who know nothing about rugby league cant be as great as a rugby league genius like yourself. You must have been some player.

I'll leave you with it now. Carry on.

Deflect much?

I just want to hear a single good argument for the "Boyd gives 100% effort every play," brigade, I haven't even heard one that Alex Jones would believe so far. I've given my perspective and backed it up with several pieces of video and visual evidence.

You guys should go and put your heads together, brainstorm for a bit and come back with a better counter-argument.

 

[Kimlo]

sounds like he's at least acknowledging he should go for the tackle instead of the intercept.

He says the right things, and I think his performance was hugely improved against the Tigers and he wasn't bad against the Raiders but he has a lot of improving to do still. Whether I think he's done as a fullback or not, I don't know, it really depends if he can get full confidence back. I think it's fair to say Boyd would be very confused this year too. He's spent his entire career playing under Wayne Bennett structures in attack and defence and as a fullback that's kind of a big deal when you're a central point of the attack. It's not something you can adjust to in a few weeks.

It sounds better, but he said something very similar a few weeks back too. He just keeps doing it though, and seems to fall for more dummies than any other player in the comp.

He did go for the tackle when someone made a break the next week IIRC, his tackling is not very good though and he definitely needs to cut out the fancy shit and focus on high percentage stuff... Dare I say it, Bennett ball areas.

 

[Wolfie]

Deflect much?

I just want to hear a single good argument for the "Boyd gives 100% effort every play," brigade, I haven't even heard one that Alex Jones would believe so far. I've given my perspective and backed it up with several pieces of video and visual evidence.

You guys should go and put your heads together, brainstorm for a bit and come back with a better counter-argument.

 

[MrMoore]

Boyd is shit, one of the worst FB of the modern game. The qualities he possesses are barely the minimum requirements of a FB these days.

Defence:
Catch a ball, Check. (most of his catches, he is already on his back conceding the tackle)

Attack:
Cut out ball to a winger, Check.

That's pretty much it for Boyd, I cant even remember him making a break or even a half break from an offload, not that he would get far.

 

[Sproj]

Boyd is shit, one of the worst FB of the modern game. The qualities he possesses are barely the minimum requirements of a FB these days.

Defence:
Catch a ball, Check. (most of his catches, he is already on his back conceding the tackle)

Attack:
Cut out ball to a winger, Check.

That's pretty much it for Boyd, I cant even remember him making a break or even a half break from an offload, not that he would get far.

That's not fair, he isn't slow. Everything else though is pretty spot on.

 

[Unbreakable]

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Had enough? :( I was having fun.

And for reference I was trash at Rugby League. Couldn't even make the one's in high school, although in my defense I was competing against like 6 guys who are in the NRL at the moment and a lot of current / ex QCUP players.

 

[Eta Carinae]

I think if we are all being honest with ourselves we would have to admit that Darius is not giving 100%.

Not that I want to make excuses for him. But he may not be able to give 100%. It is just as difficult mentally as what it is physically coming back from serious injuries. I've had two knee reco's myself and I never got back to 100% because of the fear I had of re-injury.

So imo he is either not capable of pushing himself to 100%. In which case, he is letting the team down and should just retire, or he is actually choosing to not make the effort and 1% plays required as fullback and captain of the Brisbane Broncos.

The fact is that a number of players reach a certain age and are suddenly a step too slow. I think this is what happened to Boyd. He is trying but the game at NRL level has passed him by.

 

[ostin86]

Boyd is shit, one of the worst FB of the modern game. The qualities he possesses are barely the minimum requirements of a FB these days.

Defence:
Catch a ball, Check. (most of his catches, he is already on his back conceding the tackle)

Attack:
Cut out ball to a winger, Check.

That's pretty much it for Boyd, I cant even remember him making a break or even a half break from an offload, not that he would get far.

Bit rough calling him shit but most of what you say is true. We are hamstrung by him atm.