Brisbane bombers

[Morepudding]

Relegation wouldnt work. Could you imagine if a marquee club got relegated like us or Parramatta or the Bulldogs. NRL wouldnt allow it to happen. Some of the bigger clubs are their cash cows. Its easy to say follow the soccer model but in soccer they dont have a salary cap so these bigger clubs are harder to get relegated because they buy all the best players in the league.

Disagree. Yes big clubs bring in a lot of money and it may take a few years for it to reach full impact, but it would actually bring more money to the game. The reason behind this theory is lets say the Broncos got relegated, we would then want to watch all the BRoncos games in the second division still. Thus increasing viewership. As it stands 99% of the population don't give a rats ass about the NSW or QLD cup because each team has like 3 or 4 fringe first graders in it and the schedueling is poor. If after a few years where several regular nrl teams would have experienced some time in the second division people will build a stronger connection with those clubs. Similarly, this solves the need for expanding teams in brisbane, as we could use teams like redcliffe etc. Similarly, a team like PNG could make it in to the NRL.

I am aware the transition stage would be complex, but i feel after 3-4 years of this, where you would imagine at least 5 current NRL teams would have experienced relegation (2 per year), it would start to see a growth in overall viewership, and also provide fans with stronger connections to their club.

Some fans are extremely pasisonate about Redcliffe, or Burleigh Bears or PNG or Townsville etc but that support feels useless as they are unable to progress into a better competition. I have no doubt that teams like PNG / Ipswich would have been far more competitive than teams like the Knights, and even the Tigers at stages in the past 2 years.

 

[Sproj]

Relocation can work but why relocate? Why not just start fresh. Give the new area a chance at their own identity.

 

[Accept]

12 teams is the worst idea ever.

**best

 

[Wild Horse]

Interesting to read some of these posts about how Sydney clubs are holding back the competition.

Although it would suck to see these traditional teams go under, if it would help the NRL competition as a whole I'd be be keen to see it happen. Who are the poorer teams? Who'd be the first clubs to fold? Sharks and Tigers?

 

[Renegade]

**best

lol

Tell me why 12 teams would be a good idea.

 

[007]

I doubt many of these comments know the true issue in Sydney.

The reasons bums dont get on seats is the cost and the obsession with playing at big stadiums continually.
Heres some evidence:
Average cost of a home in Sydney is at 1million, average wages is at 65-70K.
Taking 2 kids and a Mrs will Set you back 80-100 on gate entry.
FYI at a local home game, beers are 10+, Pies are 8+, Hot Chips are 7+.
You are at 150-200 to go watch a game, plus the parking.

Yet Foxtel is 65 per month, Pizza hut deal is 25 bucks, Stay nice and Warm inside, have all the kids calm and fed. Is it worth paying 150-200 every fortnight to go watch your local team play at a big giant stadium with no atmosphere and takes 45mins in traffic to get there?

We don't need a Perth team. The competition doesn't need any extra clubs. The NRL needs to pull their head out of their ass, return to local grounds, invest money into making the local clubs being more valuable assets rather than stupid reviews and plans that cost millions. The game has become to expensive at a club level for people to turn up and support, adding extra teams will not change this.

 

[Harry Sack]

Interesting to read some of these posts about how Sydney clubs are holding back the competition.

Although it would suck to see these traditional teams go under, if it would help the NRL competition as a whole I'd be be keen to see it happen. Who are the poorer teams? Who'd be the first clubs to fold? Sharks and Tigers?

Sharks are apparently one of the better off teams given they own their own ground or something. The Tigers have already merged but aren't they having all sorts of issues with the Balmain part of the merge?

 

[007]

Sharks are apparently one of the better off teams given they own their own ground or something. The Tigers have already merged but aren't they having all sorts of issues with the Balmain part of the merge?

Sharks sold off lots of land for millions

Tigers are quite stable now as West Ashfield has taken over the board.

Roosters has the tiniest club in Sydney - yet somehow are flush

Panthers are gold mine

Parra used to be gold mine.

 

[Nashy]

I doubt many of these comments know the true issue in Sydney.

The reasons bums dont get on seats is the cost and the obsession with playing at big stadiums continually.
Heres some evidence:
Average cost of a home in Sydney is at 1million, average wages is at 65-70K.
Taking 2 kids and a Mrs will Set you back 80-100 on gate entry.
FYI at a local home game, beers are 10+, Pies are 8+, Hot Chips are 7+.
You are at 150-200 to go watch a game, plus the parking.

Yet Foxtel is 65 per month, Pizza hut deal is 25 bucks, Stay nice and Warm inside, have all the kids calm and fed. Is it worth paying 150-200 every fortnight to go watch your local team play at a big giant stadium with no atmosphere and takes 45mins in traffic to get there?

We don't need a Perth team. The competition doesn't need any extra clubs. The NRL needs to pull their head out of their ass, return to local grounds, invest money into making the local clubs being more valuable assets rather than stupid reviews and plans that cost millions. The game has become to expensive at a club level for people to turn up and support, adding extra teams will not change this.

$1 Million for a house for a blue collar league fan in a league area? Nah.
Most Sydney clubs know Sydney fans are useless so get kids in for nothing
Those prices suck, boohoo, Brisbane is the same
As above.

It won't change it, but it will expand the game, and give those Sydney teams who remain a better chance to earn.

 

[Thelmus]

To me Perth is an easy decision, and another seq team. Whether it's another Brisbane team, Ipswich, or redcliffe is open to debate.
I think if they go that way, it would be almost certain the titans will be left to wither on the vine, having their financial support, be it from the nrl or sponsors heading to the new team.

 

[007]

$1 Million for a house for a blue collar league fan in a league area? Nah.
Most Sydney clubs know Sydney fans are useless so get kids in for nothing
Those prices suck, boohoo, Brisbane is the same
As above.

It won't change it, but it will expand the game, and give those Sydney teams who remain a better chance to earn.

Ok - please look up house prices in Penrith here. 800-900 for a 40yr old house, single bathroom. Apartments 550-600K. These are not bullshit figures.

Expanding the game will not solve the problem.

 

[Renegade]

Ok - please look up house prices in Penrith here. 800-900 for a 40yr old house, single bathroom. Apartments 550-600K. These are not bullshit figures.

Expanding the game will not solve the problem.

What's your overall point here? Sydney is expensive?

 

[007]

What's your overall point here? Sydney is expensive?

There's no need for Perth as Sydney NRL needs fixing.

The lack of crowd support argument for Sydney is due to costs.

Another team will dilute things too much.

 

[Sproj]

Ok - please look up house prices in Penrith here. 800-900 for a 40yr old house, single bathroom. Apartments 550-600K. These are not bullshit figures.

Expanding the game will not solve the problem.

Yes it will solve it IF it is handled correctly. The NRL doesn't know how to handle ANYTHING correctly though unfortunately.

Get out of the massive stadiums for teams who shouldn't be there. Let the Tigers play out of Leichhardt. Punt the Roosters, they offer NOTHING to the competition other than stealing every other club's juniors and stockpiling international squads without a salary cap.

You don't need so many Sydney teams BUT you don't even need to cut that much out of Sydney. Simply do four things:

1. Cut back the costs of tickets and food, etc at the ground and provide an 'experience' every weekend - have local entertainment, competitions, games, etc - get people seeing why going is better than watching on TV
2. The teams that still have no supporters get the punt - give them one season to comply
3. Even if it results in less money - punt channel 9 from hosting rights - get rid of all these agenda driven blockheads and replace them with actual professionals
4. Get Newscorp to actually promote the product that they are already heavily involved with by getting rid of all their gossip columnists, ALL of them and replacing them with professionals, young graduates if they must but ones who can leave their idiocy at the door, also put your ex-player 'experts' on the outer rims to provide just SOME comment, not regular central roles

Then, add Perth as your biggest priority. It is set-up and ready to go now, just needs a 'golden ticket' as mentioned earlier.

Then, add a second SEQ team but DON'T call it Brisbane 2, call it Ipswich / Logan / whatever, give it its own identity.

Go with 18 teams if you need to for a season or two and then cut the two most useless Sydeny teams - Roosters + 1. If the Sydney teams respond, punt the Titans, the Gold Coast is just a vortex for any sporting competition. You are back at a 16 team comp.

Keep:

1. Broncos
2. Knights
3. Storm
4. Cowboys
5. Warriors
6. Raiders
7. Penrith
8. St George
9. Manly
10. Cronulla
11. Canterbury

This way you have regional representation without cutting the heart out of Sydney (for whatever reason we need to this for apparently anyway)

Add:

12. Perth
13. SEQ

Preferably also add:

14. Adelaide - this is not a priority right now but the Titans could eventually be shifted there if they sink and re-named or re-located - think about this within five years

15. Central Sydney 1 - South Sydney - strong supporter base
16. Sydney 2 - Balmain / Parramatta / Roosters (whichever swims, the other two - goodbye)

BOOM you actually have an affordable NATIONAL competition.

 

[Renegade]

There's no need for Perth as Sydney NRL needs fixing.

The lack of crowd support argument for Sydney is due to costs.

Another team will dilute things too much.

Ok - so what is your solution for sydney? Local grounds won't change the pricing demographics of housing.

Edit: What do you mean by dilute things too much? That is very vague. Dilute what? Quality of teams? Quality of players? Overall support for clubs? Markets? TV rights $$$?

 

[lynx000]

I think any second Brisbane team should be called the Beavers.

 

[Number6]

Yes it will solve it IF it is handled correctly. The NRL doesn't know how to handle ANYTHING correctly though unfortunately.

Get out of the massive stadiums for teams who shouldn't be there. Let the Tigers play out of Leichhardt. Punt the Roosters, they offer NOTHING to the competition other than stealing every other club's juniors and stockpiling international squads without a salary cap.

You don't need so many Sydney teams BUT you don't even need to cut that much out of Sydney. Simply do four things:

1. Cut back the costs of tickets and food, etc at the ground and provide an 'experience' every weekend - have local entertainment, competitions, games, etc - get people seeing why going is better than watching on TV
2. The teams that still have no supporters get the punt - give them one season to comply
3. Even if it results in less money - punt channel 9 from hosting rights - get rid of all these agenda driven blockheads and replace them with actual professionals
4. Get Newscorp to actually promote the product that they are already heavily involved with by getting rid of all their gossip columnists, ALL of them and replacing them with professionals, young graduates if they must but ones who can leave their idiocy at the door, also put your ex-player 'experts' on the outer rims to provide just SOME comment, not regular central roles

Then, add Perth as your biggest priority. It is set-up and ready to go now, just needs a 'golden ticket' as mentioned earlier.

Then, add a second SEQ team but DON'T call it Brisbane 2, call it Ipswich / Logan / whatever, give it its own identity.

Go with 18 teams if you need to for a season or two and then cut the two most useless Sydeny teams - Roosters + 1. If the Sydney teams respond, punt the Titans, the Gold Coast is just a vortex for any sporting competition. You are back at a 16 team comp.

Keep:

1. Broncos
2. Knights
3. Storm
4. Cowboys
5. Warriors
6. Raiders
7. Penrith
8. St George
9. Manly
10. Cronulla
11. Canterbury

This way you have regional representation without cutting the heart out of Sydney (for whatever reason we need to this for apparently anyway)

Add:

12. Perth
13. SEQ

Preferably also add:

14. Adelaide - this is not a priority right now but the Titans could eventually be shifted there if they sink and re-named or re-located - think about this within five years

15. Central Sydney 1 - South Sydney - strong supporter base
16. Sydney 2 - Balmain / Parramatta / Roosters (whichever swims, the other two - goodbye)

BOOM you actually have an affordable NATIONAL competition.

Need to shore up inner west Sydney rather than as an after thought. Agree Roosters + 1 other Sydney team has to go.

Problem is too logical and a semblance of a long term plan. After south Sydney court debacle only way of getting rid of clubs is turn off the money tap. A financial model that rewards what each team brings to the game a little more. Go to a soft salary cap and let clubs compete financially to stay in the comp as well as on the field just like every other major code.

Not sure about Adelaide. Can’t carry too many weak clubs.

 

[Accept]

lol

Tell me why 12 teams would be a good idea.

I touched on it a bit in my earlier post but it would mean a perfect home and away schedule (22 GP) rather than the current farcical method. It would also allow SOO to be stand alone which is a huge issue in the game atm. And just imagine the calibre of a 12 team comp, there would be no Nikorimas, Takarangis or Linnetts running around and the standard of play would be unrivaled and would probably gain in popularity because of it. It would also allow the NRL to increase the salary cup (if TV rights remained strong) thus paying our stars more and preventing defections. The networks could compensate the loss of televising top grade matches by adding some extra ISC games to their schedule (whose calibre would also increase).

But of course, in order for this to happen, the culling or merging of Sydney sides would have to occur and as we know, RL fans are very tribal and many would walk away from the game. RL cannot afford to lose Sydney fans as they are still the life blood of the sport. NSW control the game and that will never change as the fan base here greatly out numbers any other location.

This is all pie in the sky stuff, I realize, but less is better when it comes to RL in Australia as it is so badly saturated with 16 teams already, yet others talk of expanding to 18 or 20 teams which is just ludicrous IMO. Any rebuttals?