Carney Refused Visa

[mick]

Emma, seriously, he would be rejected from going anywhere near the USA for the same reason. You reap what you sew.

I don't just have these expectations for footballers. I had a team member at my company last year who inevitably showed up on Monday late and hungover, if they showed up on Monday at all. Their work was quite shoddy too, nothing that couldn't have been improved with some training and diligence.

I wasn't going to waste my time on someone who had that little respect for the job that they would show up completely wasted or not show up at all due to their drug and alcohol fetishes. Chose not to renew his contract.

He struggled to find another job and I didn't recommend him to anybody, and thankfully I was never called on as a referee because I would have been honest.

You reap what you sew.

I know that Coxy, but people get visas when they've done far worse things than Carney has done is all I'm saying. Didn't we allow Snoop Dogg into the country a while back even though he has weapons charges to his name in the past?

I don't feel sorry for Carney per se, because those were the choices he made, but I'm simply saying that the article gave me a better understanding of perhaps why he is the way he is. Not saying it's an excuse, but as I said, I'm not going to judge how someone reacts to particular circumstances in their lives.

Ah but you have to remember it's a different thing altogether to allow someone into a country for four weeks to play some shows, and to live in said country for 2-3 years while being employed full-time there...

 

[SSS]

The issue isn't really the visa or the NRL's stance....It's the fact that you guys have written off a bloke on secondhand glorified media rantings. Without you knowing the people involved or being there you actually don't know anything about what happened...therefore what right do you lot have to completely disregard the worth of one human being, Todd is not a dirtbag and is not a sh*tstain. I'll allow you to have an opinion e.g. that you don't care if Todd plays, or that you won't miss him...that will be fine (It will show your complete lack of understanding of Rugby League if you do so, and a very poor judge of quality) but you are free to your opinions, just stop taking others opinions (the media, which we all know is amped up to make the story worthy of your attention), and call it gospel.

Do we not already lose to many top players overseas? Should the NRL not try and help a young guy like Todd (among others)? and Are YOU not getting ripped off paying top dollar to watch second rate players go around???

Seriously Todd did his time last year when suspended by the Raiders, what more do you want? A public stoning?

 

[Nashy]

I'd say based on the crimes he has been found guilty of by his club and the NRL (Not the media), he is a dirtbag and a sh*tstain.

The NRL and the Raiders tried to help Todd. He didn't accept their help, now he's paying for it, and it serves him right.

 

[gUt]

He's an adult. He's free to sue the media if they spread untruths about him. Otherwise he can learn that there are norms of behaviour expected of all adults, especially those with a higher profile. He's happy to use the media to further his career but it's a double-edged sword. I don't judge him as a person because I don't know him, but if he's a loose cannon he's not wanted as a high profile member of the sport that I love.

I had the same opinion about Boyd, Hunt etc last year even though I don't believe they did anything morally wrong. If their actions are going to damage the broncos or the NRL, punish them.

 

[Browny]

The fact that he was driving drunk and got into a pursuit with Police (and before you ask I do know the facts) is just one of many indiscretions (sorry I meant media ramblings). He has no self discipline, sure go out on a weekend and have a few but the state he gets into constantly, well you can kind of understand why he keeps stepping on his dick.

 

[Hamm.0]

The issue isn't really the visa or the NRL's stance....It's the fact that you guys have written off a bloke on secondhand glorified media rantings. Without you knowing the people involved or being there you actually don't know anything about what happened...therefore what right do you lot have to completely disregard the worth of one human being, Todd is not a dirtbag and is not a sh*tstain.

Whilst you are correct and we don't know first hand, how else can the layman NRL supporter know anything about a player, other than what is printed in the media? The Broncos sex-scandal last year is an example, it was all "accused". Craney's is not accused, he has done. FACT. And, if he was misrepresented in the media, he can sue all he likes and he bloody well should, less the layman NRL supporter would believe the untruths about him.

I'll allow you to have an opinion e.g. that you don't care if Todd plays, or that you won't miss him...that will be fine (It will show your complete lack of understanding of Rugby League if you do so, and a very poor judge of quality) but you are free to your opinions, just stop taking others opinions (the media, which we all know is amped up to make the story worthy of your attention), and call it gospel.

Thank you for allowing us an opinion mein furher. Todd Carney is an excellent football player and a real waste of talent. Much like Andrew Walker, Julien O'Neil, SBW, Tim Smith....the list goes on. Until he and all those players put their heads down and work, they will never be greats. FACT.

Do we not already lose to many top players overseas? Should the NRL not try and help a young guy like Todd (among others)? and Are YOU not getting ripped off paying top dollar to watch second rate players go around???

I'm quite comfortable in the belief that the NRL is by far the best Rugby League comp in the World. So, I'll safely say my money is being spent on the "first rate" players. Watch Super League on Foxtel sometime, you will quickly agree with me. Also, where are all these "top player's" that have headed overseas? We did this last year, during the so called (Channel 9 coined) "exodus". Problem is, there is no exodus. The NRL has lost more under-30 year old talent to RU in the last 5 years, than to Super League. FACT.

 

[Assassin]

I lost all respect for the guy when I heard that the raiders made a last ditch attempt to help him by putting him on an alcohol ban so he could stay at the club and after all that he had done in stead of taking his medicine like he should of he said he wasn't willing to go on the drink ban. Why Tod?!?!? You've done this to yourself buddy.

PS - wonder how long it will be before the panthers sign him up for 2010??? THey are so void of playmakers its like they've planned ahead for him.

 

[Coxy]

Totally agree Assassin. The conditions the Raiders put forward to Carney, as reported, were more than reasonable. But he didn't think it was acceptable to put an alcohol ban on him? Even acknowledging almost all his incidents were related to the booze? Weak.

 

[rissi_gurl]

And I actually think you can judge a person by how they react to circumstances and pressure. And especially how they bounce back from setbacks

Agreed 100%, It's the only way u will ever see a persons true colours.

The fact that Carney did not even consider the stipulations put forward by the Raiders, shows that he's not someone who does ever take responsibility for himself or his actions and that he's very self centred

He probably blames the world for burning his toast in the morning.

Dont want him back in the NRL...don't care for people like him!

 

[Coxy]

Yep.

I agree with the sentiment that people should get a second chance, but if you **** up you have to do the time, pay the consequences. Carney walking back into another NRL contract less than a year after the debacles at Canberra, not enough of a consequence.

 

[Assassin]

honestly he can do his time, grow up and before you know it he'll be running out for a new club next year. Tallis took a year ban, sailor too, its not all defining he just needs to take his punishment , keep fit and work toward 2010 I say.

 

[Assassin]

oh... in the year off he should line up some boxing matches, he could make a bucket of money (mundeen style cause everyone wants to go to see him beaten) donate half to charity (yes tod this is your new PR manager speaking) and most of all keep fit ready for next year!! THere you go Tod the glass is half full again.

 

[Coxy]

He's Gen Y though. He expects hand outs and good times to be given to him NOW, he shouldn't have to wait!

 

[Flutterby]

And now he's pleading for the NRL to re-nege on the ban they imposed.

TODD Carney has been sacked by Canberra, denied a visa by the British consulate and told he is banned from playing NRL football this season - now the talented five-eighth is pleading for leniency.

And they do raise some interesting points regarding inconsistency

"I don't understand on what grounds the NRL wouldn't register Todd when they haven't really taken the high moral ground with other players," "Mitchell Sargent was sacked for cocaine use and within two weeks he had a new contract at Newcastle. "Arana Taumata has been sacked from Brisbane, the Roosters and the Bulldogs and he's been allowed to be registered with Melbourne. I feel for Canberra. They chose to sack him. But they also signed Dane Tilse after he'd been sacked by Newcastle and Neville Costigan after he was sacked by Brisbane.

I guess the thing with Carney is he has previously been given a second chance and failed to take it and has been found guilty in a court of law; whereas other players have only been sacked by their clubs and in MOST other cases when the player has got a second chance they have actually behaved and not re-offended.

I seriously hope the NRL does stick to the ban on this one - players need to know there are serious repurcussions to their behaviour.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 14,00.html

 

[Coxy]

And they signed Dane Tilse after he was deregistered for a year. So it's a bad example.

 

[mick]

But do any of those guys have convictions of the same level as Carney? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought his record was a fair bit worse than those mentioned above...

 

[Coxy]

That's true. Costigan's worst one was drink driving IIRC. Tilse was banned and deregistered for hopping into a girl's bed uninvited at a university during preseason trials. There were no charges or anything against him.

 

[Flutterby]

I agree Mick and Coxy, which is why I think the others haven't been treated in the same way and am glad the NRL is taking a stance on this one.