Copley vs Reed

[Super Freak]

And here is the Copley montage I posted in the thread about Copley signing with the Roosters.



Which one is better?

I would say Reed's is.

I don't say that because it's longer. The video being longer means nothing really. I look at the quality of the tries and try assists..

 

[Socnorb]

Surely that settles it.

 

[Morkel]

Devil's Advocate says not really, seeing as Reed has not only had many more games from which to produce those highlights, but far more stability in his position (pretty much centre for all but a couple of games). This argument will never end and even post-careers I'm sure there will be debate.

 

[M.B.88]

Devil's Advocate says not really, seeing as Reed has not only had many more games from which to produce those highlights, but far more stability in his position (pretty much centre for all but a couple of games). This argument will never end and even post-careers I'm sure there will be debate.

But who's fault is that? If neither coach saw copley ripping it harder than reed at training then i put that down to reed earning his spot ever week while copley was either injured or trying to find form. And as smokin Joe said, reed is almost always playing with injuries. So if he can pull this stuff off, while injured and STILL keep copley away from his position. ... I'd say he's a champion player in my eyes

 

[broncos4life]

But who's fault is that? If neither coach saw copley ripping it harder than reed at training then i put that down to reed earning his spot ever week while copley was either injured or trying to find form. And as smokin Joe said, reed is almost always playing with injuries. So if he can pull this stuff off, while injured and STILL keep copley away from his position. ... I'd say he's a champion player in my eyes

Yeah I totally agree with this.

Reed has constantly produced at a high level. Copley, so far in his 6 year career has produced one good season and a myriad of excuses from his apologists.

Let me preface this by saying that I like Copley, have met him several times and out of any sportsman I have met he is my favourite. A genuine guy the is completely humble and I wish him nothing but the best.

At some point as far as his footy career is concerned he will have to actually deliver on his potential to be considered as good/better than Reed, at this stage he certainly isn't.

I don't buy into the excuse that he just needs to be in one position to shine. The biggest issue that has let Dale down is his handling. Yes he wouldn't need to catch as many bombs at centre but it is still something he hasn't been able to fix, and something that shouldn't depend on a position.

 

[Foordy]

But who's fault is that? If neither coach saw copley ripping it harder than reed at training then i put that down to reed earning his spot ever week while copley was either injured or trying to find form. And as smokin Joe said, reed is almost always playing with injuries. So if he can pull this stuff off, while injured and STILL keep copley away from his position. ... I'd say he's a champion player in my eyes

or maybe the coaches thought that Copley was far more versatile than Reed and could handle being shifted over the backline to cover for injuries.

unfortunately sometimes versatility can be a curse as moving between center and wing, left and right side of the field is bound to through off your timing and makes it harder to form a combination with your outside and inside men.

 

[Socnorb]

or maybe the coaches thought that Copley was far more versatile than Reed and could handle being shifted over the backline to cover for injuries.

unfortunately sometimes versatility can be a curse as moving between center and wing, left and right side of the field is bound to through off your timing and makes it harder to form a combination with your outside and inside men.

That's like the worst guitar player in the band ends up playing bass.
judging purely from those highlight reels. Reed is more complete than Copley, and more capable of making something out of nothing.

 

[M.B.88]

or maybe the coaches thought that Copley was far more versatile than Reed and could handle being shifted over the backline to cover for injuries.

unfortunately sometimes versatility can be a curse as moving between center and wing, left and right side of the field is bound to through off your timing and makes it harder to form a combination with your outside and inside men.

Naa i call bullshit. They're not reasons to not cement a spot for yourself as a player but downright excuses. I actually used to buy into this reasoning but not anymore. Reed's highlights saw him on either side of the field and scoring tries / setting them up from different positions of wing, centre and bench.

The guy is pulling off tries and assists consistently all year while playing injured. The dude is solid.

I actually wish there was a defensive highlights reel too but that's do much SF again for an awesome montage. You're actually a fucking champion. Again. You're my Reed on this forum haha

But seriously. . The amount of try saves, forced turnovers and forced line drop outs reed continues to enduce for the team is tremendous.

 

[Sproj]

Naa i call bullshit. They're not reasons to not cement a spot for yourself as a player but downright excuses. I actually used to buy into this reasoning but not anymore. Reed's highlights saw him on either side of the field and scoring tries / setting them up from different positions of wing, centre and bench.

The guy is pulling off tries and assists consistently all year while playing injured. The dude is solid.

I actually wish there was a defensive highlights reel too but that's do much SF again for an awesome montage. You're actually a ****ing champion. Again. You're my Reed on this forum haha

But seriously. . The amount of try saves, forced turnovers and forced line drop outs reed continues to enduce for the team is tremendous.

Do you mean induce? As in having a baby? Cos he, by means of his wife, has literally done that for the team this week. ;)

 

[Sproj]

That video shows Reed has quite a range of skills but even more than that, as slow as he is, he is quite quick off the mark and over the first 10-20. It is just after that that he seems to hit walls. He has a great late offload and most importantly, he is incredibly aware, regularly pops up in the right place at the right team to help finish off those something out of nothing plays.

The other thing about that video shows just how good a winger Hoffman was and don't get me started on Jharal. :(

 

[M.B.88]

That video shows Reed has quite a range of skills but even more than that, as slow as he is, he is quite quick off the mark and over the first 10-20. It is just after that that he seems to hit walls. He has a great late offload and most importantly, he is incredibly aware, regularly pops up in the right place at the right team to help finish off those something out of nothing plays.

The other thing about that video shows just how good a winger Hoffman was and don't get me started on Jharal. :(

Yeah... hoffman was so good on the wing! If he'd be happy playing wing he'd ask but earn an international jersey i think!

 

[Foordy]

I call bullshit on people talking about Reeds defensive performances. And I'll even provide a supportive example.

The semi final against the Roosters is a perfect example ... Twice in about 5 mins, Reed allowed Ferguson to get on hus outside, possible because he doesn't have confidence in his shoulder. The problem with Reed doing that is that he just isn't fast enough to stop the quality centers in the game from scoring on him.

Admittedly he does have a fine defensive performance every so often ... But thet are too few and far between, especially for a "defensive center"

 

[Socnorb]

I call bullshit on people talking about Reeds defensive performances. And I'll even provide a supportive example.

The semi final against the Roosters is a perfect example ... Twice in about 5 mins, Reed allowed Ferguson to get on hus outside, possible because he doesn't have confidence in his shoulder. The problem with Reed doing that is that he just isn't fast enough to stop the quality centers in the game from scoring on him.

Admittedly he does have a fine defensive performance every so often ... But thet are too few and far between, especially for a "defensive center"

If he had Ben Hunt on his right and not Milford you may also notice a difference..

 

[Renegade]

who's better at pouring beers? lol

 

[Smokin' Joe]

I call bullshit on people talking about Reeds defensive performances. And I'll even provide a supportive example. The semi final against the Roosters is a perfect example ... Twice in about 5 mins, Reed allowed Ferguson to get on hus outside, possible because he doesn't have confidence in his shoulder. The problem with Reed doing that is that he just isn't fast enough to stop the quality centers in the game from scoring on him. Admittedly he does have a fine defensive performance every so often ... But thet are too few and far between, especially for a "defensive center"

I do tend to agree with this.
Reed generally is very good at letting a player get outside and covering him. That's his style.
Reed, in my opinion, really struggles with a centre who has good feet. He almost always is left grasping air when defending a player with footwork.
The one exception to him being very good at defending a player getting on his outside was Ferguson, who absolutely schooled him. But, he also did the same to Copley!

 

[M.B.88]

Ferguson is also very good. Can't Stop them all. . But reed does usually stop most centers who school everyone else regularly..

Those two examples were an identical play. You sometimes can't stop everything, and usually reed was left with no real option being the line was stretched with gaps anyway. . Reed had to defend both Ferguson and RTS.

You can't just pull out two examples and say he's a bad defender. You have to compare it ti how every other team defended it and guess what - they probably couldn't since the roosters finished the year on top of the ladder. Your agenda blinds you man

 

[heartly87]

I do not even get why we have this argument on here. Reed has been very good for us bar 2014, he deserves some respect and support from the us. Copely had a good year in 2014 and this was his only good year. Copley is now a Rooster so we will see how he goes. Reed is a Bronco club man and I hope he has a great year and wipes Copely of the map when we play them.

By the way the videos were great, thanks for putting them together. For me it shows just how vital Reed is to our side and underrated he is. Copley was exceptional at falling over the line a meter out though.

 

[Daniel Dowell]

Dont most centres that are in good bracket have good feetwork? Generally quick on their feet?