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That's right, it was trafficking. I got the 2 mixed up.
That's right, it was trafficking. I got the 2 mixed up.
(Ex-) Cronulla players admitted drug cheats!
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I don't know if i want their suspensions to start this weekend ... if they have to miss the Raiders game that would save Stuart from his second consecutive wooden spoon, and that is just wrong.
apparently some (but not necessarily all) players have been offered a deal 1 year suspensions back-dated to Nov 2013 meaning they would miss about 2 months, if they co-operate and admit to taking banned substances. any not offered this deal are facing 2 years.
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but how the hell can you back-date a suspension, if they have been permitted to play all this time (including the origin series)
I don't know if i want their suspensions to start this weekend ... if they have to miss the Raiders game that would save Stuart from his second consecutive wooden spoon, and that is just wrong.
apparently some (but not necessarily all) players have been offered a deal 1 year suspensions back-dated to Nov 2013 meaning they would miss about 2 months, if they co-operate and admit to taking banned substances. any not offered this deal are facing 2 years.
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but how the hell can you back-date a suspension, if they have been permitted to play all this time (including the origin series)
- Jan 25, 2013
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Gallen is looking more & more like an arrogant fool. He keeps saying the same stuff that Dank said, "I have never taken anything on a banned list". We know it wasn't listed by name, but it was banned as it wasn't approved for human use, and the list specifically bans "anything not approved for human use".
He'd look better in the eyes of the public by admitting that he took the stuff, did not know it was illegal, but he'll do his time willingly as a means of attempting to build back some good faith.
Gallen is looking more & more like an arrogant fool. He keeps saying the same stuff that Dank said, "I have never taken anything on a banned list". We know it wasn't listed by name, but it was banned as it wasn't approved for human use, and the list specifically bans "anything not approved for human use".
He'd look better in the eyes of the public by admitting that he took the stuff, did not know it was illegal, but he'll do his time willingly as a means of attempting to build back some good faith.
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That would make absolutely no sense at all though. Absolute horse shit if this happens.
That would make absolutely no sense at all though. Absolute horse shit if this happens.
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Also, how can anything they do now be seen as cooperating? It's been fucking forever since these investigations began and they haven't cooperated in the slightest.
Also, how can anything they do now be seen as cooperating? It's been fucking forever since these investigations began and they haven't cooperated in the slightest.
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If true, that is pathetic horseshit of the highest order. With criminals, you can back-date a jail sentence as "time served", only if they in fact had been incarcerated during that time (eg, during the hearing etc). But how can it be back-dated if they were in fact playing at that time? Sounds to me like ASADA really really want someone to just fess up so they can get the lot of them, and are desperate. They just need one of them to talk, and the rest go down. But it sound like they can't even do that, which means they might not have enough evidence still, and they might get off.
If true, that is pathetic horseshit of the highest order. With criminals, you can back-date a jail sentence as "time served", only if they in fact had been incarcerated during that time (eg, during the hearing etc). But how can it be back-dated if they were in fact playing at that time? Sounds to me like ASADA really really want someone to just fess up so they can get the lot of them, and are desperate. They just need one of them to talk, and the rest go down. But it sound like they can't even do that, which means they might not have enough evidence still, and they might get off.
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It has never sounded any different from day one to me, much ado about nothing. They took a few supplements which weren't banned at the time, most took them in good faith simply trusting the grown ups. Whether someone is a professional athlete or not there is no automatic upgrade in intelligence that comes with it ! In fact it may surprise some on here but a fair few of them didn't pay much attention in school,some didn't attend much school and quite a few did not finish school and of the ones that did ,very few actually did well at school. I never expect high standards of sportspeople simply because they are good in that very narrow field.
As for Paul Gallen, although he is a grub he is certainly a lot better than he was years ago, cutting out most of his grubbiness. Also, he made enormous metres,tackles etc long before this incident and it happened three years ago and could not possibly have anything to do with his performances since then. Anyone who thinks a few peptides or whatever explains his abilities is simply a dumb ****.
It has never sounded any different from day one to me, much ado about nothing. They took a few supplements which weren't banned at the time, most took them in good faith simply trusting the grown ups. Whether someone is a professional athlete or not there is no automatic upgrade in intelligence that comes with it ! In fact it may surprise some on here but a fair few of them didn't pay much attention in school,some didn't attend much school and quite a few did not finish school and of the ones that did ,very few actually did well at school. I never expect high standards of sportspeople simply because they are good in that very narrow field.
As for Paul Gallen, although he is a grub he is certainly a lot better than he was years ago, cutting out most of his grubbiness. Also, he made enormous metres,tackles etc long before this incident and it happened three years ago and could not possibly have anything to do with his performances since then. Anyone who thinks a few peptides or whatever explains his abilities is simply a dumb ****.
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So true and put so much better than I ever could.
I stand and applaud sir
So true and put so much better than I ever could.
I stand and applaud sir
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but the thing is, if the supplements they took were not approved for human use ... then they were banned.
and for years they have been having seminars for players new to the NRL teaching them that they need to KNOW what is being put into their bodies and that they are responsible for it. that they have every right to refuse to take something (or receive an injection) unless they are 100% sure what they are taking. they are also all taught exactly what the anti-drugs code states.
there should be no confusion about it these days.
and as much as this is a dark day for the sport and the Sharks club and their fans ... they have no-one to blame for this mess but themselves
but the thing is, if the supplements they took were not approved for human use ... then they were banned.
and for years they have been having seminars for players new to the NRL teaching them that they need to KNOW what is being put into their bodies and that they are responsible for it. that they have every right to refuse to take something (or receive an injection) unless they are 100% sure what they are taking. they are also all taught exactly what the anti-drugs code states.
there should be no confusion about it these days.
and as much as this is a dark day for the sport and the Sharks club and their fans ... they have no-one to blame for this mess but themselves
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Umm, wasn't 2011 the year that Gallen started playing 80mins in an Origin game as a prop? His previous games being as a lock who was replaced during the game.
You also don't need an academic education to be questioning what you are putting in your body, your generalized argument that players do not do well in school is totally irrelevant.
Umm, wasn't 2011 the year that Gallen started playing 80mins in an Origin game as a prop? His previous games being as a lock who was replaced during the game.
You also don't need an academic education to be questioning what you are putting in your body, your generalized argument that players do not do well in school is totally irrelevant.
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Guess they're going to do what we all feared the NRL/ASADA would do - sweep it all under the rug, most likely just so Gallen got to play origin and doesn't miss any football.
Absolute bullshit to put it bluntly. I wish I could say that I expected more from the NRL, but I most certainly didn't.
Oh and his performances since he took them most certainly can still be affected by the drugs. The stuff they took helped with muscle development etc IIRC. Muscles don't just disappear.
Guess they're going to do what we all feared the NRL/ASADA would do - sweep it all under the rug, most likely just so Gallen got to play origin and doesn't miss any football.
Absolute bullshit to put it bluntly. I wish I could say that I expected more from the NRL, but I most certainly didn't.
Oh and his performances since he took them most certainly can still be affected by the drugs. The stuff they took helped with muscle development etc IIRC. Muscles don't just disappear.
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You lose all credibility with that right there. Not being on the banned list specifically is not the same as being legal. They werent on the banned list because they are not for human consumption. They are horse drugs, and as such, are BANNED.
You lose all credibility with that right there. Not being on the banned list specifically is not the same as being legal. They werent on the banned list because they are not for human consumption. They are horse drugs, and as such, are BANNED.
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You do know that they were Cronulla players at the time right?
Don't you think it would cause more hysteria in the media if articles were to start mentioning clubs like the Warriors and Titans where some of those players are now? No reason for the clean clubs to be dragged through the mud.
You do know that they were Cronulla players at the time right?
Don't you think it would cause more hysteria in the media if articles were to start mentioning clubs like the Warriors and Titans where some of those players are now? No reason for the clean clubs to be dragged through the mud.
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If you could put yourself in that position and imagine the scenario......player sits down, with only a few years of grown up life experience and in a trusting way accepts what he truly believes is a 100% legitimate treatment from someone he trusts to be a professional employed by the club, a professional in sports medicine and recovery, why would he have reason to challenge the club, his employer ?
What if they did ask what it was and were told it was all okay and above board ? Do you really expect players to have at their disposal a test kit to ensure that what they are receiving is in fact what they were told it was ? Or do you expect them to obtain a sample, send it away for testing before allowing it to be administered ? Do you believe players should have an up to date list of what is allowed and that which is not ? Or is it much much more likely ,and human for that matter to simply take the word of a qualified professional who has been employed by the club and have faith that what is being done is 100 % a okay ?
If you could put yourself in that position and imagine the scenario......player sits down, with only a few years of grown up life experience and in a trusting way accepts what he truly believes is a 100% legitimate treatment from someone he trusts to be a professional employed by the club, a professional in sports medicine and recovery, why would he have reason to challenge the club, his employer ?
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I always google any meds a doctor gives me. I dont think im a rocket scientist, so surely they couldve done the same?
I always google any meds a doctor gives me. I dont think im a rocket scientist, so surely they couldve done the same?
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All of this is the reason that they are drilled with the info. Every pre-season. Every squad. They are told precisely what they can and should do if that situation arises. The NRL have gone to great lengths to educate the players and open their eyes to this exact potential scenario.
All of this is the reason that they are drilled with the info. Every pre-season. Every squad. They are told precisely what they can and should do if that situation arises. The NRL have gone to great lengths to educate the players and open their eyes to this exact potential scenario.
