(Ex-) Cronulla players admitted drug cheats!

[Anonymous person]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

What if they did ask what it was and were told it was all okay and above board ? Do you really expect players to have at their disposal a test kit to ensure that what they are receiving is in fact what they were told it was ? Or do you expect them to obtain a sample, send it away for testing before allowing it to be administered ? Do you believe players should have an up to date list of what is allowed and that which is not ? Or is it much much more likely ,and human for that matter to simply take the word of a qualified professional who has been employed by the club and have faith that what is being done is 100 % a okay ?

If you could put yourself in that position and imagine the scenario......player sits down, with only a few years of grown up life experience and in a trusting way accepts what he truly believes is a 100% legitimate treatment from someone he trusts to be a professional employed by the club, a professional in sports medicine and recovery, why would he have reason to challenge the club, his employer ?

while i agree that they should be able to trust the professionals that are hired to make sure everything they take is legal, from a legal standpoint they cant. they are responsible for what goes in their body, case closed.

they can - and should - sue the club for all theyre worth. so about $3.75 or so.

It's like tax returns. if you get an accountant to do yours, you trust they did it legally. if they dont, however, you can still go to jail or face the punishments even though you hired a qualified professional to do it for you. is it stupid? most definitely. but its the way it is.

The media are already over blowing this saying 17 Cronulla players are being investigated. It's only 5.

come on kid, use that little nsw brain of yours lol. the 17 players all played for cronulla when they took the drugs.

 

[Foordy]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

What if they did ask what it was and were told it was all okay and above board ? Do you really expect players to have at their disposal a test kit to ensure that what they are receiving is in fact what they were told it was ? Or do you expect them to obtain a sample, send it away for testing before allowing it to be administered ? Do you believe players should have an up to date list of what is allowed and that which is not ? Or is it much much more likely ,and human for that matter to simply take the word of a qualified professional who has been employed by the club and have faith that what is being done is 100 % a okay ?

If you could put yourself in that position and imagine the scenario......player sits down, with only a few years of grown up life experience and in a trusting way accepts what he truly believes is a 100% legitimate treatment from someone he trusts to be a professional employed by the club, a professional in sports medicine and recovery, why would he have reason to challenge the club, his employer ?

If i was ever a professional sportsmen and accused of taking a banned substance, that was given to me by team doctors AND told that it was legal ... then i would be screaming that from the rooftops. and i certainly would have co-operated with ASADA officials from the START, not after 18 months to try and get a shorter BS suspension

but not one of these players have said anything even remotely like that ...

and I also would have immediately looked to get out of the club for putting me in that situation.

and finally i probably would have launched a massive lawsuit against the club as well.

 

[Super Freak]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

If they want to play the "I didn't know" card then they should be banned for being idiots.

They should have covered their asses by researching the drug to make sure it was legal.

 

[Financeguy]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

If you could put yourself in that position and imagine the scenario......player sits down, with only a few years of grown up life experience and in a trusting way accepts what he truly believes is a 100% legitimate treatment from someone he trusts to be a professional employed by the club, a professional in sports medicine and recovery, why would he have reason to challenge the club, his employer ?

A player like Gallen would have been in his 10th or so season of first grade rugby league in 2011. He would be very clued up on what kind of sports medicine and supplements he had been taking for the past decade.

When the good doctor pulls him aside and tells him that's enough with this whey protein, No-Xplode and creatine nonsense, its time for some calf blood and thoroughbred racehorse gear or whatever other shit they were injecting, alarm bells would have been ringing.

 

[Huge]

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You lose all credibility with that right there. Not being on the banned list specifically is not the same as being legal. They werent on the banned list because they are not for human consumption. They are horse drugs, and as such, are BANNED.

If I gave my horse aspirin is aspirin a horse drug ? No of course not ! Just because the same drug can be used on horses does not preclude it being used on humans and guess what, it is used on humans ! The drug is regularly used on humans to treat pressure sores and other ailments. The drug is thymosin beta-4. Read up on it. Instead of being hysterical try and be sensible and not sensationalist. It's laughable you claim they are not for human consumption when the truth, you know ,silly old facts is the total opposite. They are not even for sports performance enhancement rather they are to aid muscle recovery.

I forgot to mention, thymosin beta4 occurs NATURALLY in the human body !

 

[Ari Gold]

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Dead set your a fucking moron. Origin is over stop bringing it into everything. You have turned into an absolute fuckstick lately. Get over yourself or **** off

That's a very well restrained post there B4L... Moron is the not the noun I would have used! Even fuckstick is a kinder option to the words that come to my mind.

Completely agree though. Somehow this "Broncoman" decides that an ASADA thread would be a great place to bring up Wendell Sailor's name as an example of a player who has in the past got himself in hot water.

I hereby petition that his username is changed to Blues Boy.

 

[Morkel]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

If I gave my horse aspirin is aspirin a horse drug ? No of course not ! Just because the same drug can be used on horses does not preclude it being used on humans and guess what, it is used on humans ! The drug is regularly used on humans to treat pressure sores and other ailments. The drug is thymosin beta-4. Read up on it. Instead of being hysterical try and be sensible and not sensationalist. It's laughable you claim they are not for human consumption when the truth, you know ,silly old facts is the total opposite. They are not even for sports performance enhancement rather they are to aid muscle recovery.

I forgot to mention, thymosin beta4 occurs NATURALLY in the human body !

Please to be supplying this forum with that evidence. Because every single press release and statement by anyone with authority on the subject has said that the drugs that were administered were not for human use. At least not in 2011.

 

[Huge]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Please to be supplying this forum with that evidence. Because every single press release and statement by anyone with authority on the subject has said that the drugs that were administered were not for human use. At least not in 2011.

Tell me how to do that..seriously, can I do it on an ipad, walk me through the steps

I imagine if you type in ' Cronulla Sharks and thymosin beta-4...is it doping ? ' it would bring up the article...it's on theconversation.com

 

[Anonymous person]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

If I gave my horse aspirin is aspirin a horse drug ? No of course not ! Just because the same drug can be used on horses does not preclude it being used on humans and guess what, it is used on humans ! The drug is regularly used on humans to treat pressure sores and other ailments. The drug is thymosin beta-4. Read up on it. Instead of being hysterical try and be sensible and not sensationalist. It's laughable you claim they are not for human consumption when the truth, you know ,silly old facts is the total opposite. They are not even for sports performance enhancement rather they are to aid muscle recovery.

I forgot to mention, thymosin beta4 occurs NATURALLY in the human body !

the drugs they were taking say "not for human consumption"......

it doesnt matter what occurs naturally in the body - testosterone occurs naturally in the body. white blood cells occur naturally in the body. both of those can be abused illegally in sports.

 

[Morkel]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

I just saw this. Totally unrelated, but I must have been asleep that week:

"Stewart Mills — The talented outside back is currently working as a carpenter and battling away with Helensburgh in the Illawarra local comp after sensationally quitting the Broncos mid-season. He has expressed a desire to return to the NRL next year, and given he is the youngest player facing suspension at just 23, a 12-month backdated ban (to finish in November this year) could be attractive if one’s been offered. But so could a life working the tools."

Anyone hear anything "sensational" about him leaving? TBH I didin't know he left...

 

[Huge]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

the drugs they were taking say "not for human consumption"......

it doesnt matter what occurs naturally in the body - testosterone occurs naturally in the body. white blood cells occur naturally in the body. both of those can be abused illegally in sports.

Two things stand out....drugs cannot talk so 'they' 'said' nothing. No one is alleging the drugs were labelled ' not for human consumption'. There are 16 or so variations or forms of the drug used and the one Cronulla used was for humans. Forget facts AP but they were never 'horse drugs' nor were the players given 'horse drugs' . The peptides were not banned and were commonly used in normal medical practice. The reason why Cronulla and its players have not been hammered is not due to a lack of evidence rather due to an absence of evidence. The players should not have to bear this weight , it should be borne by the club who engaged in slipshod practice.

 

[Mr Fourex]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Anyone hear anything "sensational" about him leaving? TBH I didin't know he left...

There was a thread here and on "another site" .......at the time they seemed to indicate that he was struggling financially and was going back to work as a carpenter around Illawarra.

I didn't know he was facing ASADA charges.

 

[Mr Fourex]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Two things stand out....drugs cannot talk so 'they' 'said' nothing. No one is alleging the drugs were labelled ' not for human consumption'. There are 16 or so variations or forms of the drug used and the one Cronulla used was for humans. Forget facts AP but they were never 'horse drugs' nor were the players given 'horse drugs' . The peptides were not banned and were commonly used in normal medical practice. The reason why Cronulla and its players have not been hammered is not due to a lack of evidence rather due to an absence of evidence. The players should not have to bear this weight , it should be borne by the club who engaged in slipshod practice.

The players were gathered in secret meetings before Danks kicked in with his super food. The players were advised not to talk about the new programme they were about to engage with. .

Paul Gallen: Why shouldn't we talk about it?

Cronulla: because it's illegal dickhead, now kept your mouth shut

Paul Gallen: Oh....OK

These players should be prosecuted to the full extent they can be. They knew what they were doing was wrong.

 

[Anonymous person]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Two things stand out....drugs cannot talk so 'they' 'said' nothing. No one is alleging the drugs were labelled ' not for human consumption'. There are 16 or so variations or forms of the drug used and the one Cronulla used was for humans. Forget facts AP but they were never 'horse drugs' nor were the players given 'horse drugs' . The peptides were not banned and were commonly used in normal medical practice. The reason why Cronulla and its players have not been hammered is not due to a lack of evidence rather due to an absence of evidence. The players should not have to bear this weight , it should be borne by the club who engaged in slipshod practice.

one of the drugs, CJC-1295, is a synthetic substance designed to promote human growth hormone. as per WADA rules, any substance that promotes human growth hormone is banned.

another of the alleged drugs, TV-500, is traditionally used on race horses to increase muscle growth, strength, and endurance.

another one, AOD-9604, is "not certified for human use". emails between Dank and WADA were obtained showing him asking if it was on the banned substance list lol.

im not really sure where youre getting your "the peptides were not banned" "facts" from, because they are wrong. just because something isnt specifically on the banned list doesnt mean its not banned. anything not for human use, like the TV-500 horse drugs, are banned. anything that promotes human growth hormone, like CJC-1295, is banned. they dont need to be specifically named.

 

[Browny]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

**** me they made pinga Johns an Immortal, Gallen won't get shit

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

I just wish ASADA would do what they should here, and that is hand out 2 year bans immediately. Would love nothing more than to see Gallen retire in shame

 

[Broncoman]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

**** me they made pinga Johns an Immortal, Gallen won't get ****

It was a media beat up instigated by Buzz Rothfield. Barely taken seriously by anyone.

 

[Ari Gold]

re: ASADA issues "Show of Cause" notices

Barely taken seriously by anyone.

Much like you and your NSW dribble.